corded vacuum CT-SYS with variable speed and remote control?

[Andrius]

Why the corded CT-SYS vacuum lacks suction power regulation as are in CT26/36/48 or cordless CTLC-SYS and CTMC-SYS?

Solution for remote control is avialiable by DIY, but not from Festool.

 

[squall_line]

Why the corded CT-SYS vacuum lacks suction power regulation as are in CT26/36/48 or cordless CTLC-SYS and CTMC-SYS?

Solution for remote control is avialiable by DIY, but not from Festool.

The corded CT-SYS was never intended to be a full replacement for a CT 26/36/48.  The suction power was likely never intended ot be dialed down because, at the time, it was only ever intended to be used in short bursts.  None of the smaller CT units that Festool produced were capable of bluetooth integration until they were moved to a new control architecture in the -I models.

The CTC-SYS has both bluetooth and variable suction.  That would be the model you need if you want both of those things, but at the expense of requiring batteries rather than a mains plug.

 

[Cheese]

I believe the original CT-SYS was released as a "clean-up" vac for extreme portability, think ladders & stairs. I don't remember seeing it ever attached to a sander. Someone was always using it for clean-up chores.

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[mrboult]

I think it’s a shame they stopped making these. I love mine and will never get rid. It was my only vac for a couple of years. The size vs performance is un-matched.

The new cordless one doesn’t interest me with its 15 min of run time at max power. As i said i think its s shame they discontinued the og version.

 

[Cheese]

I think it’s a shame they stopped making these. I love mine and will never get rid. It was my only vac for a couple of years. The size vs performance is un-matched.

The new cordless one doesn’t interest me with its 15 min of run time at max power. As i said, I think it's a shame they discontinued the original version.

Ya I agree, the only reason I didn't purchase one at the time was because of the inability to reduce the amount of suction. I will still characterize the function of this tool as for "clean-up" duties, but once you haul it up a flight of stairs and start to clean up, what happens when you notice a small bugger or two on some finished surface. I would grab my sander, attach it to the vac and then dial down the suction. After that...continue to clean the space.

I think Festool needs to reintroduce the corded version with variable suction.

 

[squall_line]

I think it’s a shame they stopped making these. I love mine and will never get rid. It was my only vac for a couple of years. The size vs performance is un-matched.

The new cordless one doesn’t interest me with its 15 min of run time at max power. As i said, I think it's a shame they discontinued the original version.

Ya I agree, the only reason I didn't purchase one at the time was because of the inability to reduce the amount of suction. I will still characterize the function of this tool as for "clean-up" duties, but once you haul it up a flight of stairs and start to clean up, what happens when you notice a small bugger or two on some finished surface. I would grab my sander, attach it to the vac and then dial down the suction. After that...continue to clean the space.

I think Festool needs to reintroduce the corded version with variable suction.

Some marketing intern will just point to the hose with the turny-thingie on the end and tell you "that's your variable suction".

I'm still contemplating a corded CT-SYS some day, but now that I have the CTC-SYS, it gets the cleanup duties done just as well, and with Bluetooth, to boot.  And since I don't plan on selling my T18 or OSC18 any time soon, I should have batteries to run it for a while as well.

 

[Cheese]

Some marketing intern will just point to the hose with the turny-thingie on the end and tell you "that's your variable suction".

Well, if my memory serves me well, the turny-thingie item was not even offered for sale when Festool released this tool. That item was released several years later.

So to that intern that has all the answers...pox on you.

So maybe, I'm slowly answering my own question...purchase a used, corded CT-SYS, add a turn-thingie and avoid the limited 15 minutes of vac time with the CTC-SYS. For the life of me, I really don't understand how 15 minutes of vac time can be beneficial to anyone. I have to say, that is the most foolish Festool policy in years...what were they thinking?

15 minutes to fully charge a battery is a good thing...15 minutes to fully deplete a battery with a vacuum is a bad thing.

 

[jonnyrocket]

I’m a huge fan of the CTC-SYS. I also have the corded version, so I have experience with both.

Yes, the 15 minute runtime is short, but have you thought about how many TSC-55 cuts you make during that 15 minutes?
It is definitely more than enough to break down sheet goods for multiple closets. 
My daughters love using it for vacuuming up bugs or insects that show up inside the house on occasion.

 

[six-point socket II]

I’m with [member=66966]jonnyrocket[/member] on this one. The CTC-SYS is great for “interval” use with a track saw, rotary hammer, (…). Not for continues sanding, as in what I did with my CTL-SYS back in the day, running it for hours up on scaffolding or slung over while on a ladder.

I did originally buy the bypass adapter - that was available way before the connector with bleed-valve - to reduce suction when needed.

I too, would like to see an upgraded variant of the corded version.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[Hawkeye0001]

Why the corded CT-SYS vacuum lacks suction power regulation as are in CT26/36/48 or cordless CTLC-SYS and CTMC-SYS?

Solution for remote control is avialiable by DIY, but not from Festool.

Bluetooth can actually be solved if you're a bit tech savvy and aren't afraid of PCB's and a soldering iron. Just do a search on "CTL Sys bluetooth" or something like that in the forum, some German dude published his hack some four or five years ago (it's somewhere on GitHub, too).

As for the adjustable suction: because of its compactness the CTL SYS uses the airflow that goes through the hose and filter to also cool its motor, unlike the bigger models that a seperate airstream to internally cool their turbine. If you were to dial down the suction the motor would still produce similar amounts of heat but the reduced air flow would not be capable to sufficiently cool it anymore.

 

[Andrius]

Thats seems to be reasonable answer for the lack of power regulation on CT-sys. However, after decrease in rotation, heat generation in motor also deceases, at least CT26/36/48 turbines uses the same axis for motor cooling air flow as the main flo of the vacuum. Its very interesting point though.

Thanks!

 

[SoonerFan]

I think Festool needs to reintroduce the corded version with variable suction.

I am with Cheese, reintroduce the corded version with variable suction. I would buy one tomorrow. The cordless version is of limited use to me given the runtime. Plus the cost makes it very expensive for clean up work which to me is its biggest benefit.

 

[cpw]

I use it for running corded tools without having to drag out a full CT26, so a CTC-SYS has zero attraction to me.  They should release an updated version with a cord and bluetooth.

I have a little Dewalt dual 20V/AC vac that is great for cleanup.  It would be nice if a SYS sized CT (even if they needed to bump up to a larger Sys3 compatible size to make everything fit) could have both given that for me tool activation is a key differentiator for the CT vacs.

 

[Holzhacker]

I have a corded ct-sys. Gets the most use out of any of my vacs. Have not been tempted to buy any of the cordless vac. If they reintroduce the corded version I will likely by another one.
Festool if you are listening. The new corded version should have a sys 2 size on top for the hose and cord, not the last sys 1 size.
Don't need bluetooth but variable suction, yes.

 

[Michael Kellough]

I have a corded ct-sys. Gets the most use out of any of my vacs. Have not been tempted to buy any of the cordless vac. If they reintroduce the corded version I will likely by another one.
Festool if you are listening. The new corded version should have a sys 2 size on top for the hose and cord, not the last sys 1 size.
Don't need bluetooth but variable suction, yes.

Same, except I don’t need another. I also wish it had a bigger tank/bag.

 

[SoonerFan]

Oh how I wish someone from Festool would read this thread, hear several Festool users want a cord and variable suction and relay this information to the product development team.

 

[Cheese]

Oh how I wish someone from Festool would read this thread, hear several Festool users want a cord and variable suction and relay this information to the product development team.

Good luck on that one...I've been wishing for that to happen for the last 15 years and it's still radio silence and a monkey f___k at best.  [tongue]

It would be interesting to find out who influences the new Festool new tool releases other than a select core of chosen influencers that are in the back pocket of Festool anyways.

Festool does have a captive audience with the FOG and why wouldn't you query the folks that use your tools the most? That seems to be the most prudent approach.

So Festool Corporate...how about some more REALLY honest customer survey questions that dig into the needs of the actual full time tool user and give less weight to the Festool influencers that are actually (part time users) and just on the Festool lunch line even though it may be less obvious.

In case you need to hear it from the horses' mouth...the influencers are just part of the noise and not part of the change.

 

[woodbutcherbower]

Festool does have a captive audience with the FOG and why wouldn't you query the folks that use your tools the most?

I think you’re probably way-overestimating any influence the FOG could possibly have on a huge corporate marketing decision involving substantial investment in tooling, manufacturing and everything else which goes into bringing a product to market. Read through any thread and it’s the same 30/40 people (maybe less) contributing every time. Not exactly a huge slab of opinion.

So how are these decisions reached? I’m currently beta-testing a new mitre saw from one of the major manufacturers on a 3-month trial. They’ve sent 100 units out to UK pro users, who they found by approaching all of the main UK tool vendors and materials suppliers, asking them if they knew guys who dealt with them regularly and who would be prepared to put a new tool through its paces on a real-world daily basis. They’re doing the same thing across the whole of Europe and Scandinavia. No money’s involved, and no free tools - these are prototypes with 3d-printed plastic parts and so on. I’m guessing that Festool’s product development follows similar lines.

Festool’s principal target market is the professional user. It speaks volumes that I can only think of two other Brit pro users on here. Just 3 of us.

FWIW I love my CT-SYS as well. I also wish it had variable suction.

Kevin

 

[Vondawg]

Another vote for variable speed

 

[PaulMarcel]

A solution would be one of those wall adapters that pretends it's a battery. At least then you could run on battery or corded and get the variable speed benefit. With so many third parties making battery adapters, it seems like this would be possible, although specialized since it replaces 2 at a time.

Worse was that the cordless was released when new larger batteries were released, but they don't fit.