CT 26 Permanent bag vs Dust Deputy

[BillG]

I searched for some info on this in the archives and did not find anything.  All that means is I didn't find it.  But anyway...

Towards the end of last year, I bought a CT 26.  I have had a CT 11 for quite a few years, along with an Oneida Gorilla for the big machines, but I thought the CT 26 would be better for the Kapex and the OF 1400.  I am looking to economize on bags.  Depending on what kind of woodworking is going on, I can use a tool frequently or not for months.  And I have a large property where shavings get mulched into dirt. 

I thought a Dust Deputy would be a decent way to spend less money on bags and make it easy to dump the dust out onto the mulch pile.  But then I came across the permanent bag.  That bag is way more money than I think it should cost, but it costs less than the Dust Deputy, and it takes up a lot less room.  The question becomes, how well does it filter compared to the paper bags?  If it is equivalent, then to me it is a no brainer.  Less money and less room taken up makes the decision easy.  But I cannot shake the feeling that it isn't going to be that simple.  Does anyone here have experience with both, or at least one of the the two?  I am especially interested in experience with the bag.  Does it filter to the same level as the paper bags? 

Thanks. 

 

[JerrySats]

Maybe this will answer some questions you have .  http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/cyclone-separator-shootout/

 

[ericbuggeln]

I have the longlife bag in my mobile ct22 and it is the same as the paper bags with none of the bull. Empty and reload. I use the longlife filters with that set up also. I use a ct22 with DD on a sys5 in the shop and that works great too, but combined with boom arm is a monstrosity. If i had to do it again, i wish i bought the longlife bag earlier. When i did a first glance review of it here, everyone laughed at me, but trust me you will save money in the long run if you use it a lot, Eric

 

[AlexThePalex]

I also had the long life bag for my CT22. The filtering was excellent, same as the paper bags. I liked the long life bag very much. I'm not sure if the bag for the 22 is made of the same material as for the 26, because as of yet I haven't seen one for the 26 in real life yet, but it'll probably be about the same.

 

[jonathan-m]

I'm a dust deputy'er myself. I hope adding a cyclone in the setup will spare my (expensive) true HEPA filter more.

1st stage, dust deputy,
2nd stage, bag
3rd stage filter

Personally I find it easier to empty the dust deputy bin instead of a bag as well.

 

[BillG]

I'm a dust deputy'er myself. I hope adding a cyclone in the setup will spare my (expensive) true HEPA filter more.

1st stage, dust deputy,
2nd stage, bag
3rd stage filter

Personally I find it easier to empty the dust deputy bin instead of a bag as well.

Thanks everyone.  I think it would probably be easier to dump out the DD than the bag, but saving the room is an even bigger plus for me.  I have a tiny shop.

 

[BillG]

Just in case anyone is interested, I thought I would post the conclusion of the matter here.  Over the weekend I forked out for the long life bag.  I was leaning towards the dust deputy for a couple of subjective reasons, but after looking hard at the shop and thinking about the room I don't really have, I went with the bag.  I'm not concerned with a little extra dust that might escape while emptying it.  I regularly clean up around the lathe with a snow shovel and a tractor cart.  But the bag should do the same job as the DD for extended use, without taking up the extra space. 

 

[Kev]

Just in case anyone is interested, I thought I would post the conclusion of the matter here.  Over the weekend I forked out for the long life bag.  I was leaning towards the dust deputy for a couple of subjective reasons, but after looking hard at the shop and thinking about the room I don't really have, I went with the bag.  I'm not concerned with a little extra dust that might escape while emptying it.  I regularly clean up around the lathe with a snow shovel and a tractor cart.  But the bag should do the same job as the DD for extended use, without taking up the extra space. 

Please remember the long life bag is for "safe" dust - still consider using a throw away bag if you're sucking anything dangerous up!

 

[leakyroof]

Just in case anyone is interested, I thought I would post the conclusion of the matter here.  Over the weekend I forked out for the long life bag.  I was leaning towards the dust deputy for a couple of subjective reasons, but after looking hard at the shop and thinking about the room I don't really have, I went with the bag.  I'm not concerned with a little extra dust that might escape while emptying it.  I regularly clean up around the lathe with a snow shovel and a tractor cart.  But the bag should do the same job as the DD for extended use, without taking up the extra space. 

  Bill, if you have enough room for a snow shovel and a tractor cart in your shop, then you have WAY more room in your shop than I do... [embarassed] [embarassed] [embarassed]

 

[BillG]

Please remember the long life bag is for "safe" dust - still consider using a throw away bag if you're sucking anything dangerous up!

Yeah, I'd say about 99% of the dust it will be getting will be new wood.  I am even keeping my Sears howler for sucking up big chunks, metal bits, etc.  I don't do work on old work (except my own house from time to time) and for that, I have a CT 11 with paper bags. 

 
Bill, if you have enough room for a snow shovel and a tractor cart in your shop, then you have WAY more room in your shop than I do... [embarassed] [embarassed] [embarassed]

Ha ha, that's before I walk into the shop.  Once I am in there, the available space decreases dramatically!  Besides, the tractor cart stays outside most of the time. 

 

[hhh]

it's too bad Oneida doesn't have the same 30-day trial that FT NA has.  I bet a lot of folks would get the UDD for a direct comparison against the LLB and probably keep it...

I fill the UDD about 3 times/week --- i would never trade that for the LLB...

 

[Julian Tracy]

I've found that  the longlife bag is identical to the disposal bags in terms of filtration.  MY opinion is based on the condition of the filters when checking them to see if they have any slight amount on dust on them when changing the bag.

Even when using it for fine dust like sanding drywall repairs.

Julian

 

[Stone Message]

I'm a dust deputy'er myself. I hope adding a cyclone in the setup will spare my (expensive) true HEPA filter more.

1st stage, dust deputy,
2nd stage, bag
3rd stage filter

Personally I find it easier to empty the dust deputy bin instead of a bag as well.

I agree with Jonathan and my DD only cost $35 (basic model) and I built the drop box for a few pence from leftovers. It is the cheaper option and it is easy to empty.

Peter

 

[sgryd]

Hi
I just thought I'd shime in with my.. ehrm.. someones idea. I don't remember the thread, but somewhere here at FOG I picked up the idea to hang the CT on the wall. After thinking some I decided to put the CT on the atic instead. Bad thing with this is the cumbersome bag changes. Therefore I'll put a DD on the wall instead.

I'm building a DD dust bin to fit on the wall in the corner. It'll be a triangular bin. Tho work out the right hose lengths I've hung my CT on the boom arm for a while. I really love the setup. Everything goes so smoth. I'll add some more to the boom arm, such as a mid-work-TS55-holder and some air for the nail gun.

 

[Alan m]

Hi
I just thought I'd shime in with my.. ehrm.. someones idea. I don't remember the thread, but somewhere here at FOG I picked up the idea to hang the CT on the wall. After thinking some I decided to put the CT on the atic instead. Bad thing with this is the cumbersome bag changes. Therefore I'll put a DD on the wall instead.

I'm building a DD dust bin to fit on the wall in the corner. It'll be a triangular bin. Tho work out the right hose lengths I've hung my CT on the boom arm for a while. I really love the setup. Everything goes so smoth. I'll add some more to the boom arm, such as a mid-work-TS55-holder and some air for the nail gun.

thats a serious boom arm. where did yuo get it.

from the pic (not sure of measurements ect) i would put the ct on a shelf in the corner pointed towards the boom arm  then make a box for under the dustdeputy that hangs from it with the DD perminently attached  to the arm.

iv a crazy idea , if you attached a DD above  the arm and a large cone or pyramid shaped box underneeth  then put a large blast gate on the bottom , ,(maybe an upturned snap lock barrel ). then you could put a bag underneeth to empty it

 

[greenMonster]

woahhhhh, at least justify that crazy boom arm by putting the CT at the END of it  [laughing]

 

[ceddy]

I was also debating this a few weeks ago. Went with the Deputy. I was planing some white cedar boards (6 inches by 8-10 foot) as my first experience with the unit hooked to a CT22. Once you get everything figured out, it works very well. For me, its much easier to empty the DD than to change the CT bag. also the DD bags are larger than the CT bags. You can buy 1000 bags for real cheap from international plastics or others. But if space is really at a premium, then the life long bag would probably fit the bill better.

 

[sgryd]

Yea, it's a serius arm =)
I was on my way on building something like this, but started googeling instead. Found Plymex here in Sweden. They ship their stuff all over Europe, as fas as I know.

It's really neat. Made out of folded sheet metal. The end of the small arm takes maximum 25 kg. On the end of the large arm it takes 60 kg.

Plymex
Their English site doesn't show this PDF (since it's in Swedish): Tool arms  (The one I got is the P-452)

My first thought was to put the CT on the wall in the corner. But then I realized that a box with a DD in the corner would be better. I'll post updates on the progress. It will take a couple of weeks since I just ordered the DD from overseas.