CT mini or midi and oneida dust deputy box

[griph0n]

I've got a 48 with the oneida box.  It's sorta stationary by my router table and sanding station now.  I've moved it to a joabsite a few times, recently at -35.  I'd like a portable one like the mini or midi, both for following around the Domino and Trim Router, and for loading in the truck.  I love the dust deputy.  I haven't emptied the 48's bag in years.

Has anyone fit the box onto a mini/midi?  I can see a hose problem and a systainer size problem.  I don't mind bolting on one of the systainer bases I bought, but I'm not sure about the hose right ange and cfm reduction.

Long winded preface to has anyone done it?

 

[rst]

I have the Festool Ultimate Dust Deputy on a Midi.  I bought a right angle anti-static hose connector from Onieda...2.5" Right Angle SC Vacuum Hose Elbow Adapter...Item #: AXD600103  The latches alone do not hold the bin solid so I wrapped a ratchet strap around the whole shebang.  I just last week emptied mine after a years worth of cutting plastic.

 

[chrisrosenb]

I had a CT 48 hooked up to a a regular Dust Deputy at my sanding station. After a friends shop burnt & I sold him one of my CT 36s, I replaced the CT 48 on the Dust Deputy with a CT MINI. I have not noticed any reduction in suction since using the MINI on the Dust Deputy. The hose from the DD to the vac had an elbow on the vac end when it was hooked to the CT 48. I used the same hose with the CT MINI I have been using this setup for close to a year.

 

[antss]

Honestly , why even fool with the DD for on site work ?

I can't imagine a job where a domino and a trim router will fill more than a bag , so why even fool with the time and space premium that comes with lugging the DD around - which is why you're contemplating a mini/mid in the first place ?

To really make it a fair comparison, you'll need a second  DD for the mobile shop, and $250ish will buy a lot of mini disposable bags.  Value your labor for carting the xtra weight in and out and the added space to house in the truck however you want.

If portability is your main objective , forget the DD.  Roll the cost of the bag into each jobs as overhead and stop sweating that you think they cost you $5 or $6 each.  The customer is paying.  It's really no different than decision you've made to buy the festool in the first place when a no name vacuum will do the same job for a fraction of the cost.

 

[griph0n]

I have the Festool Ultimate Dust Deputy on a Midi.  I bought a right angle anti-static hose connector from Onieda...2.5" Right Angle SC Vacuum Hose Elbow Adapter...Item #: AXD600103  The latches alone do not hold the bin solid so I wrapped a ratchet strap around the whole shebang.  I just last week emptied mine after a years worth of cutting plastic.

Thanks for the oneida number.  It's not too tippy?  It won't be rolling much.  I'm thinking of using one of these. 
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=71993&cat=1,43326,68749

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I've got a couple kicking around.  When it leaves the shop I can pull the Oneida off and leave it behind.  No Festool in the Yukon to try things out so I appreciate people with experience commenting.

 

[c_dwyer]

Hi [member=15432]griph0n[/member]  and [member=25351]rst[/member] :
Sorry to dig this thread up.  I bought an ultimate dust deputy for my Midi (arrived today), but I'm not having any luck whatsoever in getting it to mount it on top of the hose garage. Only two of the locks on one side marginally line up leaving the other side loose, so it slides around. The configuration of the locks that do barely connect results in the bag suction tube being mounted around back. I can't move the combo around the shop or pick it up without the whole thing flopping off, and with recent posts regarding the plastic being used on the garages being brittle, I don't want this to cost me more than it already has, even on sale.  Certainly not what I was hoping for.

Has anyone had similar problems with mounting the UDD to the Midi?

 

[eddomak]

Thanks everybody for their comments on this thread so far. It has really helped me in my recent decision making.

I had been contemplating purchasing a DD of some type after a recent flurry of woodworking activity. In Australia, the Dust Depty Deluxe (not the Ultimate) is the cost of 19 Midi bags ($AUD10 each), and the Ultimate is the cost of 52 bags. I tend to pull the CT around the garage to follow where I am working, so the Ultimate had some appeal but the cost was prohibitive. I also do 90% of my work in my garage but need to take it to friends & relatives' places so wasn't looking forward to needing to dismantle every so often.

Given that I have taken 2.5 years to use up 6 bags, and even though I can't charge it to my "clients" ( [big grin] ), I think I'll just stick with using bags. If I end up doing a lot more work in future then I guess I'll revisit this.

Thanks again!

 

[rst]

I had to do some judicious filing to make my Oneida sit reasonably well on top.  That is why I went to adding a ratchet strap.  I have to add that my vac stays in my shop.

 

[Woodwork Wizard]

I also use a ratchet strap to lock the CT-Midi to a Dust Deputy. They will not stay together without one.
The U.D.D. attaches far better to a CT-26/36 and doesn't require any additions to keep it on.

 

[antss]

edd - at the rate you're using bags you've got another 15-20 years before an Ultimate makes financial sense.

You could whip up a Thien separator in a 5 gal bucket for a couple of dollars in parts and a few hours on your time if you felt inclined.

FWIW , my Ultimate doesn't fit on my Midi either.  But I think it's too unbalanced even if it did.  I think the best pairing for one is a CT22. No flimsy hose garage like a 26/36, the UDD fits like, a dream and is very stable even when full.

 

[semenza]

Planers and routers can fill bags very quickly. If doing a lot of that the DD might make sense. But otherwise it just seems like a cumbersome add on to me. Even with routing and planing it takes something around 30+ bags to hit the break even point on cost. That's a lot of bags even for a very active hobbyist. Eventually the break even point will be reached ..... but how far down the road?

The other factor is not having to bother changing the bag frequently, but of course you still need to empty the DD. I have not used the DD but it seems that there are some pretty equivalent trade offs.

Seth

 

[c_dwyer]

Hi Folks:

I called Mike this a.m. at Oneida and he was very helpful.  He sent me a link to a previous discussion about this issue on TalkFestool, about how to remedy the situation for mounting it on top of a CT Mini or Midi. Looks like I have some notching to do on two of the tabs so the latches on the hose garage can grab it.  I hate when that happens, but the current $40 savings (thank you ToolNut) is still a great offset for the inconvenience.
http://talkfestool.com/vb/machines-power-tools/4693-ultimate-dust-deputy.html

Happy Friday all.

 

[Vladiator]

Get yourself a midi with a long life bag and forget the dust deputy. Portability won't be compromised and you'll save yourself some space.

 

[TheSergeant]

I went from a CT22 with DIY long life bag to a Mini with UDD and have been very happy with the move.  The Mini+UDD is the perfect combination in my opinion. 

I had the long life bag in my CT22, like others have suggested, but I never wanted to use my CT22 for general use and shop cleanup because I was so paranoid about damaging the bag.  I considered the UDD but couldn't stomach the $250 price tag so I purchased the Dust Deputy Deluxe for $100.  Then I read about the static issues and ended up getting a Ridgid 6hp for another $100.  The dust deputy was phenomenal but the Ridgid was loud and didn't have the autostart and variable suction.  I realized how insane it was to have two vacs, one of which was $500+ that I only used with my sander.  So I bit the bullet and sold everything and bought a Mini and UDD. 

The footprint of this setup is super small but has a still has a 9 gallon capacity.  I have no concerns at all about vacuuming up rogue screws and other potentially bag-damaging items and having the UDD attached directly to the vac is much nicer when I need to roll it to the other side of the shop.  Also, being able to use a bag in the UDD is a huge plus over the standard DD as well.  When I want/need portability I can quickly remove the UDD and throw the vac in my vehicle.  The combination really is the best of both worlds.  with the UDD I don't see the point in getting a larger vac.  Unlike the older models the CFM on the post 2011 Mini/Midi s is basically the same as a CT26 but they're much more portable.  It's a no brainer to me.