CTL-SYS Videos! Not a review, but...

[Jimmy FineCut]

I own an Fuji hvlp system and this has really got me thinking.

I don't see any problem with dirty air has is filtered a few times before reaching the gun.

The only issue I see at the mo is that my current gun is not a through air gun but that can be changed  [wink]

 

[AlexThePalex]

I agree with Jonathan. All of the exhaust air has been filtered by the fleece bag and main filter, it is perfectly clean no matter how dirty the bag is.  Thinking this through in normal use, the intake pulls the debris into the vac.  The debris gets captured by the fleece bag.  The intake air continues through the fleece bag where it gets pretty clean, then passes through the main filter where it is completely filtered.  It then passes through the turbine and out the exhaust as perfectly clean air.

I'm sorry Brice, but my path to clean air does not go through the dustiest place on earth, i.e. a vacuum cleaner bag, my path misses that spot at all. I'm probably a  bit cautious through my background in professional paint spraying, but when it comes to spraying, dust is like Kryptonite. Despite keeping the spray cabin like a cleanroom and an exhaust turbine the size of a house, we got more returns for dust than anything else.

So we keep dust as far away as possible, and incorporating a vac into the flowline makes me shiver.

Maybe we'll just agree to disagree on that?  [big grin]

Agreed! I'll stop raining on your parade now. [smile]  If it works for you I hope you'll get the best out of it.

 

[Mahomo59]

Great thinking and video! Going off on one... I had the Earlex for a good few years and got great results, just found it too slow in the end. Popped to Morrells in Bristol and had a demo from their in house spray machine, 3 stage turbine unit I think it's the SP1 it's a morrells unit anyway.  Very powerful with adjustments. I think it was about £270, so more than the Earlex but far better.
How are you finding the vac itself, are you using it lots over your other extractors.

 

[Mahomo59]

...correction ST1

 

[jonny round boy]

Thanks, good to find someone with experience of the Morrells units. How long ago was it you bought that? I only ask because I think they've changed their range recently, although I might be wrong on that.

Last time I was in my local branch I asked about them, and the basic three-stage was around £350 IIRC. He was trying to upsell me to the wall mounted, £1k+ unit though. [eek]

As for using the CTL- SYS for it's intended purpose, I've only used it a couple of times so far. Used it on a worktop change job for routing the tops. It worked ok ( but with routing work tops you only catch the really fine dust anyway, all the heavier chips end up on the floor).

On my last job, a full kitchen, I had my Kapex set up in the next room, and had the CTL-SYS hooked up to that, via a half-length 36mm hose, for the duration. Worked really well, and the tiny dust bag lasted far longer than I expected. I changed it for the first time when I packed the Kapex away at the end of that job, and it was really solid! I also used it to clean out the cabs before I left.

That's it so far. The problem for me with using it over my mini is that I have a plug-it fixed to the hose on my mini, so I don't carry (or possess!) spare cords. If I want to use the CTL-SYS I have to 'borrow' a cord from somewhere else to connect the tool. A couple of years ago I was sick of all the "spare" cords I had, and sold them all on eBay! Now I need to buy another! [doh]

 

[Mahomo59]

I'll double check price, I may be wrong. If it is £350, knowing now what I know I'd still buy it's a great machine. I'll get a picture of it uploaded once im back in the workshop. So much faster I did 26 kitchen panels, loaded the gun up, sprayed and cleaned in under 50 mins. Much better spray on it. I bought it Jan/fen time this year, guy said it was new out and updated.

I'm torn between another midi or the sys.

 

[GPowers]

This is a GRETA idea. Thanks

 

[Phil Beckley]

Also, I remember a few years back Festool USA had a survey asking about spay finishing.  I suppose they could be working on a CT based HVLP system already.
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I hope so - then I can argue that this hasn't just killed my warranty... [eek]  [big grin]

[bite tongue]
rg
Phil

 

[jonny round boy]

[bite tongue]
rg
Phil

So what does that mean then, Phil?  [tongue]

 

[Phil Beckley]

[bite tongue]
rg
Phil

So what does that mean then, Phil?  [tongue]

Warrantttttttttttttt....................... [bite tongue]
(only kidding)....and before any rumours start no we are not entering spraying equipment arena.
Phil

 

[Jimmy FineCut]

Jonny

Have you noticed if there is a big difference in air tempeture being fed to he gun between the two machines?

The reason I ask is because the Fuji hvlp I use does seem to push pretty warm air into the gun, compared to my festool midi which can really kick out some hot air. I know they are totally different machines, but the air temp feed can effect the paint flow to a certain degree.

Would you say the ctl sys runs as hot as a midi?

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[jonny round boy]

Jonny

Have you noticed if there is a big difference in air tempeture being fed to he gun between the two machines?

The reason I ask is because the Fuji hvlp I use does seem to push pretty warm air into the gun, compared to my festool midi which can really kick out some hot air. I know they are totally different machines, but the air temp feed can effect the paint flow to a certain degree.

Would you say the ctl sys runs as hot as a midi?

Cheers
Jimmy

That's a very good point Jimmy, I meant to mention that in the video!

The air from the Earlex does get pretty warm after 10-15 mins. The CTL SYS doesn't seem to. I think that's because in the Earlex, the air being pumped out is the same air that's used to cool the motor. In the CTL SYS, motor cooling is done separately from what I can detect (warm air comes out above the switch panel).

The Midi doesn't have a blower function - do you mean the air coming out the sides? If so, then I think that is the exhaust air AND the cooling air together, and yes, mine gets very warm too.

So no, from my tests the CTL SYS blower air doesn't get particularly warm. Having said that I haven't run it constantly for more than about 5 minutes at a time, so can't be 100% certain.

 

[Jimmy FineCut]

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That's a very good point Jimmy, I meant to mention that in the video!

The air from the Earlex does get pretty warm after 10-15 mins. The CTL SYS doesn't seem to. I think that's because in the Earlex, the air being pumped out is the same air that's used to cool the motor. In the CTL SYS, motor cooling is done separately from what I can detect (warm air comes out above the switch panel).

The Midi doesn't have a blower function - do you mean the air coming out the sides? If so, then I think that is the exhaust air AND the cooling air together, and yes, mine gets very warm too.

So no, from my tests the CTL SYS blower air doesn't get particularly warm. Having said that I haven't run it constantly for more than about 5 minutes at a time, so can't be 100% certain.
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Yea I meant the air coming out the sides of the midi, which like you say is both exhaust and cooling air. So all sounds good there.

I wasn't going to buy a ctl sys, but if I can have a sanding/hvlp system in one that covers the type of work I do it's a no brainier really.

Good one for thinking outside the box on this.

 

[SMJoinery]

It used to be Peter Parfitt's fault that I bought new tools but now it's JRB's.
Just spent some hard earned cash on my new Festool HVLP turbine with integrated Hoover. (I also have an Earlex 5500) [big grin]

 

[Jimmy FineCut]

It used to be Peter Parfitt's fault that I bought new tools but now it's JRB's.
Just spent some hard earned cash on my new Festool HVLP turbine with integrated Hoover. (I also have an Earlex 5500) [big grin]

Yep I also bought a ctl sys yesterday thanks (I think) to JRB.  [wink]

Nuts and bolts have 25 coming in from Germany this week and I brought the last one from that order. Looks like they are selling well!

 

[jonny round boy]

Don't blame me, I didn't make you buy anything....  [unsure]

[big grin]

 

[sancho57]

I've been looking at another HVLP / LVLP for my shop. The turbines are a bit pricey so I've been looking at conversion guns ( using compressors ILO a turbine). That's what I used in the states.

But this has me thinking.... My CT22 has a blower on it.... Worse come to worse about air filtering, there's nothing to say a in line filter couldn't be rigged if that is a issue.

 

[sancho57]

Don't blame me, I didn't make you buy anything....  [unsure]

[big grin]

As we say in the states, don't hate me cuz ya aient me

Sorry couldn't resist

 

[Jimmy FineCut]

How's the spraying going using the ctl sys going?
Any updates/tweaks/improvements?

I'm planning on rigging mine up to a gun next week for some test.

 

[jonny round boy]

How's the spraying going using the ctl sys going?
Any updates/tweaks/improvements?

I'm planning on rigging mine up to a gun next week for some test.

I haven't had the need to do any spraying since making the video. Having said that though, I've got a cupboard to make & spray towards the end of next week. Then a set of radiator cabinets.