CTL26 sooooo disappointing

[Scott B.]

Lets take it easy, and not resort to a back and forth between members.

Seth

When a thread has 113 posts and 39 of them are by the same person complaining about the same thing...my goodness, it would be difficult not to find ones self engaged in discussion with said member.

Also, can someone pull up Peter's tutorial on how to use thumbnail pics in posts? This thread could be reduced to 2 pages.

It's just inefficient.

[big grin]

EDIT> fixed quote box.

[not worthy]

I do hear ya (loud and clear  [big grin]).

And I do think that most users, whether they have had a garage break or not, would likely agree that the plastic is thin. Myself included. As I have said, only one has broke on me, and that was when a rack of staging tipped over on it.

Fortunately, it is not a safety issue, this garage weakness. But that may prevent it from shooting up to the top of the list of critical redesigns.

Meanwhile, it is just a pain in the arse. Most every tool has something about it that can be a pain. This would be one on the CT.

I am more frustrated with the outlet on the front myself. And I think the front casters should be bigger. And I want the power cord to power recoil and stow somewhere inside. And I want remote control, and a switch to reverse the motor and use it as a HVLP turbine.

And I want it to be green...

 

[jmbfestool]

Lets take it easy, and not resort to a back and forth between members.

Seth

When a thread has 113 posts and 39 of them are by the same person complaining about the same thing...my goodness, it would be difficult not to find ones self engaged in discussion with said member.

Also, can someone pull up Peter's tutorial on how to use thumbnail pics in posts? This thread could be reduced to 2 pages.

It's just inefficient.

[big grin]

EDIT> fixed quote box.

The thing is though, they're 39 posts of valid comments.

Plus I prefer the full sized photos, clicking on the thumbnails becomes tiresome.

I agree thumbnails do my head in.  I try and post couple full size and then do some thumbnails for the extra pictures sometimes but most of the time full size all the way.  On my phone,iPad, iMac, PC all the same I click on the thumbnail and I have to wait and often I have to click multiple times for it to work. 

 

[socaljohn]

I was walking over to the bin to throw the hose carriage away then I sneezed and suddenly it all shattered in front of me........ [tongue]

Hey I thought that the above comment and photo were hilarious!

JMB made his point about the products he loves, the price paid being premium and the design being

 

[Bohdan]

Don't the older models, and the new CTL Sys have an exhaust port for HPLV use.

 

[jmbfestool]

Don't the older models, and the new CTL Sys have an exhaust port for HPLV use.

The older CT's have a exhaust port but I never thought they had enough power to be used as a HPLV might be wrong never crossed my mind until now

 

[jnug]

If there is one thing I have heard that does resonate for me it is the 27mm/36mm hose thing. Why not equip the CT's with the 36mm hose from the get go. I can't think of anybody that would respond in a pole that he would prefer that 27mm hose to the 36mm. Instead there is a whole line of different length 36mm hoses that have sales that would likely go right into the tank if the darned things came with a 36mm hose at the start. Then if you really felt like you needed more length and were willing to pay for it...fine spend the money. But to pay that much for a machine like a CT and have a hose you really don't want only then to have to pay at least $155 for the one you want....that is a bit much frankly.

Myself, I have not bought a CT as yet and hook everything up to my big dust collector through a dust separator. I would prefer to have a machine like a CT to tag along behind my hand tools. But I just cannot convince myself to spend that much for a machine and then toss another $155 minimum on top of it because I know the hose that comes with it just is not going to get it done. Now just to define get it done.....I don't think we should have to deal with any of the issues that relate to that 27mm hose....as trivial as they may be....not for the cost of a CT anyway.

 

[jmbfestool]

I was walking over to the bin to throw the hose carriage away then I sneezed and suddenly it all shattered in front of me........ [tongue]

Hey I thought that the above comment and photo were hilarious!

JMB made his point about the products he loves, the price paid being premium and the design being

 

[jmbfestool]

If there is one thing I have heard that does resonate for me it is the 27mm/36mm hose thing. Why not equip the CT's with the 36mm hose from the get go. I can't think of anybody that would respond in a pole that he would prefer that 27mm hose to the 36mm. Instead there is a whole line of different length 36mm hoses that have sales that would likely go right into the tank if the darned things came with a 36mm hose at the start. Then if you really felt like you needed more length and were willing to pay for it...fine spend the money. But to pay that much for a machine like a CT and have a hose you really don't want only then to have to pay at least $155 for the one you want....that is a bit much frankly.

Myself, I have not bought a CT as yet and hook everything up to my big dust collector through a dust separator. I would prefer to have a machine like a CT to tag along behind my hand tools. But I just cannot convince myself to spend that much for a machine and then toss another $155 minimum on top of it because I know the hose that comes with it just is not going to get it done. Now just to define get it done.....I don't think we should have to deal with any of the issues that relate to that 27mm hose....as trivial as they may be....not for the cost of a CT anyway.

I think thats because the 27mm fits almost all festool tools but a 36 will only fit the larger tools.  So the 27 is more universal.

The EHL 85 planer is one of the tools I can think of which will only fit a 36mm hose.   

 

[Brice Burrell]

There are a couple of things that bug me about the weak plastic on the hose garage.  First is the fact that the garage has broken on so many under normal use.  All professional grade tools need to stand up to hard use, you could even argue they should stand up to some amount of abuse.  Cordless drills are a good example of tools made to withstand a reasonable amount of abuse by design.  Not every tool needs to be grossly over built, but to fail under careful/normal use is unacceptable. 

Adding insult to injury is the high cost of replacement.  As others have said on the forum before it's like a Festool tax. 

This issue corresponds with another Festool tax I've recently paid.  I've just replaced another plug-it cord on my TS 55.  The cord is failing (not the plug-it connection) for the second time, and I've replaced another on my ETS125 a year or two ago.  The heavier cord is $44, $42 for the lighter cord.  You can buy a whole new random orbit sander for 42 bucks.....or a Festool plug-it. [blink]     

 

[jnug]

I would guess that the sanders and jigsaws are probably 27mm dust port machines. I have neither. So I would not know and never thought to look when I saw one in person. But the track saws and routers are all 36 I think. That is a heck of a lot of ground breaking really popular product right there. If I had to rate stuff from Festool, I would rate the track saws as just plane game changing, the plunge routers not far behind with the domino and jigsaws probably next and I am embarrassed to be hard pressed to offer anything on the sanders.

I know there are really good routers out there but when you combine the power of the Festy's with their features at the price, that is a tough combination to beat I think which is why I stuck them just behind the track saws. The jigsaw is astounding for a jigsaw at its price point. But I can't say that an astounding jigsaw would go to the top of my list of woodworking tools. To me it is more of a utilitarian tool....a screwdriver of power tools and as astonished as I might be about what it does, at the end of the day, its a jigsaw.

YMMV of course and my opinion is just that an opinion anyway.

 

[semenza]

If there is one thing I have heard that does resonate for me it is the 27mm/36mm hose thing. Why not equip the CT's with the 36mm hose from the get go. I can't think of anybody that would respond in a pole that he would prefer that 27mm hose to the 36mm. Instead there is a whole line of different length 36mm hoses that have sales that would likely go right into the tank if the darned things came with a 36mm hose at the start. Then if you really felt like you needed more length and were willing to pay for it...fine spend the money. But to pay that much for a machine like a CT and have a hose you really don't want only then to have to pay at least $155 for the one you want....that is a bit much frankly.

Myself, I have not bought a CT as yet and hook everything up to my big dust collector through a dust separator. I would prefer to have a machine like a CT to tag along behind my hand tools. But I just cannot convince myself to spend that much for a machine and then toss another $155 minimum on top of it because I know the hose that comes with it just is not going to get it done. Now just to define get it done.....I don't think we should have to deal with any of the issues that relate to that 27mm hose....as trivial as they may be....not for the cost of a CT anyway.

I think thats because the 27mm fits almost all festool tools but a 36 will only fit the larger tools.  So the 27 is more universal.

The EHL 85 planer is one of the tools I can think of which will only fit a 36mm hose. 

  Right the 27mm  fits everything so it just makes sense to include it with the vac. In a pinch you can even sort of force fit it on the HL 850.  Also I really wouldn't want the larger, heavier, less flexible 36mm on the sanders.

Seth

 

[jnug]

Truth is, I should not comment on this dust port thing at all because so many of these fittings fits either inside of or outside of the port and I can no longer remember the dizzying number of end fittings you can buy and which fits into our over what! Pushed to it, without having them in front of me, I would fail any test on the subject miserably.....and be sent directly to the power tool corner indefinitely.

The biggest shock I ever get in this whole fittings thing is when the two (port and fitting) are exactly same diameter and will nether fit in or over! Argggggghhhhhh!

 

[Laminator]

A 36mm hose can be substituted for the 27mm when you purchase a CT vac, as I have done a couple of times.

 

[woodguy7]

The 27mm hose will fit inside the 850 planer.  You just have to push it right in but it will stay.  Not sure it is meant to do that or not but i have used the 27mm with mine.
Im with Seth, i only ever use the 36mm hose when using the Kapex or the OF2200 for route ring stair stringers that has a high chip count.  Its just too rigid.
I don't see a problem with this thread going on like this at all.  Its how things get fixed.  At the end of the day, you don't have to click on it  :

 

[Deansocial]

I use the 36 with everything but the domino

 

[AlexThePalex]

I find the 27 mm hose a lot more useful with tools than the 36 mm. It not only fits lots more tools than the 36 mm but once you get used to the smaller 27 mm hose the 36 mm feels really odd and bulky. And maybe it's a Europe thing, but the 27 mm hose fits with almost any tool from other brands too. All my DeWalt, Metabo, Elu, Bosch and Rupes tools connect with it. 

I don't get Scotts argument, how you can you just arbitrarily say enough is said, when people still got things to say?

By the way, my CTL 22 wasn't that perfect as far as the black plastic was concerned, it had a minor crack in it which resulted in a not so minor rattle when I turned the vac on. Beyond that it worked just fine, but the rattle was why I replaced it with a 26. 
 

 

[jmbfestool]

The 27mm hose will fit inside the 850 planer.  You just have to push it right in but it will stay.  Not sure it is meant to do that or not but i have used the 27mm with mine.
Im with Seth, i only ever use the 36mm hose when using the Kapex or the OF2200 for route ring stair stringers that has a high chip count.  Its just too rigid.
I don't see a problem with this thread going on like this at all.  Its how things get fixed.  At the end of the day, you don't have to click on it  :

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Regarding the EHL850 yes it does fit but don't you find it can often clog up easily?

I'm the opposite I try and use the 36 where ever possible if the tool fits the 36 ill use the 36 over the 27mm. Also I have extra long 36 hoses I need to get some longer 27.

 

[wow]

I picked the CT36ac PARTLY because of the lightweight 36 mm hose that it comes with.

It was interesting to read that in at least one case the dealer allowed the customer to swap the 27mm hose for another one. I have not heard of this before. Is it common, or did someone's dealer just take extra-special care of them?

 

[semenza]

I picked the CT36ac PARTLY because of the lightweight 36 mm hose that it comes with.

It was interesting to read that in at least one case the dealer allowed the customer to swap the 27mm hose for another one. I have not heard of this before. Is it common, or did someone's dealer just take extra-special care of them?

Pretty sure swapping the  hose size is up to the individual dealer just like guide rail swapping.

Seth

 

[woodguy7]

JMB, on the subject of clogging the 27mm hose.  Ive never really found it a problem but not been taking that much off on one go.  TBH, when i got the EHL65 i have never used the 850.  Love the smaller planer & the 850 is like new.  Should probably sell it but I'm not keen on selling tools & I'm sure it will come in handy in the future.