cxs faulty for a 2nd time!

[Jaybolishes]

Same here, I use it all the time and its my goto drill.  It's light and small, fits perfectly in my pouch.  It drives 99% of what I need it to.  After you use it a bit, you'll find its capabilities and know when to use it, and when you should grab the 18volt, so a little common sense is needed.  But I use the heck out of mine, and its just an awesome drill.  When I really beat on it, it will make we wait a few seconds to cool it down, which is rare.  If that's not a protection feature then its got me baffled.  Sorry to hear there are some bad ones out there, but if there are you're sure to see it reported here.  Hope everything gets fixed for you. 

 

[Timtool]

The CXS doesn't have built-in electronics to protect the motor like the other Festool drills.  What you're likely experiencing is battery's built-in protection so it doesn't over-discharge.

All i know is that when you ask too much of it, it shuts down, even with a full battery. I suppose the battery electronics also protect the engine, it would have been silly to allow the battery to let more power through than the engine can take. And as a second protection you have the clutch.

Dan, do you know what they changed on the first fix? If they simply changed the damaged parts, not looking at what caused the damage, like possibly the batteries or one of them?

 

[Dan1210]

Hi tim, im not sure which parts they replaced last time, my thoughts were just a new motor, just to be clear i love the drill and hate to be without it, i love the design and weight although i wish it was that little bit more powerful, im thinking a c12 but some people have said later models got a boost on the batterys? I left mine at work this weekend but im sure its one of the earlist models bought in early-mid 2011, im sure festool will fix it no probs and it will be sorted

 

[jmbfestool]

Average screw size for kitchen fitting is 20-30mm so I take it you can only screw 20mm or less screws with it.

20 to 30 mm? I know you guys do things different over there, but are your cabinets made from cardboard or something? What part of cabinet fitting could possibly use screws that short? I use screws that short to secure drawer fronts to drawer boxes. Not for securing cabinets to walls. Even securing carcase-to-carcase, that is too short. I can't even think of an application where a 20 mm screw would be used during installation.

Wa?! You must use some thick cardboard so I think you have your numbers mixed up mate.  

Kitchen units are normally 15-18 mm. Times them by two gives you....... Yes 30mm - 36mm so one would use a 25 - 30mm screws yes 30mm! YOU can use longer ones if you want but won't look very pretty on the other side.

I would use 15-20mm for metal brackets so metal braket = 1-2mm + 18mm  gives you 20mm..... what size screws would you use?? 60mm??  Well ill be using 15 mm screws.

Hinges for units and doors are like 15mm +

Then I use 60 to 100mm for fixing units to the wall depends on the wall but when you add up total amount of longer screws used to shorter screws used. The average would be........... 30mm

 

[Timtool]

But i... i.. i don't even install kitchens, why you being so mean jmb?

jmb: [doh]

 

[jmbfestool]

But i... i.. i don't even install kitchens, why you being so mean jmb?

jmb: [doh]

Oops quoted wrong person sorry  [embarassed]

Edited with correct quote

 

[Brice Burrell]

Average screw size for kitchen fitting is 20-30mm so I take it you can only screw 20mm or less screws with it.

20 to 30 mm? I know you guys do things different over there, but are your cabinets made from cardboard or something? What part of cabinet fitting could possibly use screws that short? I use screws that short to secure drawer fronts to drawer boxes. Not for securing cabinets to walls. Even securing carcase-to-carcase, that is too short. I can't even think of an application where a 20 mm screw would be used during installation.

Wa?! You must use some thick cardboard so I think you have your numbers mixed up mate.  

Kitchen units are normally 15-18 mm. Times them by two gives you....... Yes 30mm - 36mm so one would use a 25 - 30mm screws yes 30mm! YOU can use longer ones if you want but won't look very pretty on the other side.

I would use 15-20mm for metal brackets so metal braket = 1-2mm + 18mm  gives you 20mm..... what size screws would you use?? 60mm??  Well ill be using 15 mm screws.

Hinges for units and doors are like 15mm +

Then I use 60 to 100mm for fixing units to the wall depends on the wall but when you add up total amount of longer screws used to shorter screws used. The average would be........... 30mm

JMB, I understand Rick's thoughts on short screws in cabinet installation here in the US.  Euro style frameless cabinets have become fairly popular here now, but for many years almost all cabinets were made with face frames.  The most common way to attach cabinets together was through the face frame with a 2" (50mm) or longer screw.  For someone old school (read someone old like Rick [tongue]) it would seem very strange to imagine using 3/4"-1 1/4" (20-30mm) screws.  

 

[mastercabman]

Average screw size for kitchen fitting is 20-30mm so I take it you can only screw 20mm or less screws with it.

20 to 30 mm? I know you guys do things different over there, but are your cabinets made from cardboard or something? What part of cabinet fitting could possibly use screws that short? I use screws that short to secure drawer fronts to drawer boxes. Not for securing cabinets to walls. Even securing carcase-to-carcase, that is too short. I can't even think of an application where a 20 mm screw would be used during installation.

Frameless cabinets!!Most are built with 3/4" or 5/8" particle board.
Face frame,i use 2.5" to connect cabinets together and 3" to secure to wall

 

[Rick Christopherson]

JMB, I understand Rick's thoughts on short screws in cabinet installation here in the US.  Euro style frameless cabinets have become fairly popular here now, but for many years almost all cabinets were made with face frames.  The most common way to attach cabinets together was through the face frame with a 2" (50mm) or longer screw.  For someone old school (read someone old like Rick [tongue]) it would seem very strange to imagine using 3/4"-1 1/4" (20-30mm) screws.  

Brice, if you read his followup posting, what he did was literally average the length of all the screws used, according to quantity used. Because that didn't seem logical, I took his usage of the word "average" to mean "typical". But he actually meant it as average.

The drill doesn't care what the average length is. It cares what length the long screws are.

 

[MAK]

Hi Dan, certainly something wrong with your cxs. I've had mine almost since they've been out in the uk.
Use mine for kitchen fitting like you about 60% of the time, I've never had a problem. Granted it struggles to put anything over 70mm.
I love mine so light and versitile with the angle chuck.
Hope you get it sorted mate!

 

[Dan1210]

can anyone comment on the weight difference between cxs and the c12? i have watched half inch shys comparison and like the extra power of the c12, i dont have a dealer close to check it out personally. thanks.

 

[jmbfestool]

JMB, I understand Rick's thoughts on short screws in cabinet installation here in the US.  Euro style frameless cabinets have become fairly popular here now, but for many years almost all cabinets were made with face frames.  The most common way to attach cabinets together was through the face frame with a 2" (50mm) or longer screw.  For someone old school (read someone old like Rick [tongue]) it would seem very strange to imagine using 3/4"-1 1/4" (20-30mm) screws.  

Brice, if you read his followup posting, what he did was literally average the length of all the screws used, according to quantity used. Because that didn't seem logical, I took his usage of the word "average" to mean "typical". But he actually meant it as average.

The drill doesn't care what the average length is. It cares what length the long screws are.

Really??  Below is a festool video driving in larger screws and in the about section mentioning halfinchshy driving in lag bolts in his video clearly saying it can handle larger fixings.

Now average kitchen 15-20 units about 20ish screws at about 50-100 mm which normally get screwed in over a period of time giving the drill plenty of time to cool down in between. Also screws 50mm + in size normally are used for going into masonry using plastic plugs which are easier to drive a screw into than wood.

Then you have about 200+ screws at 15-30 mm  

So your typical average screw size is 15-30mm

Now if the cxs can't handle that then its no good for Dan and I would say for most carpenters and I would consider the drill for DIY use only

 

[jmbfestool]

Average screw size for kitchen fitting is 20-30mm so I take it you can only screw 20mm or less screws with it.

20 to 30 mm? I know you guys do things different over there, but are your cabinets made from cardboard or something? What part of cabinet fitting could possibly use screws that short? I use screws that short to secure drawer fronts to drawer boxes. Not for securing cabinets to walls. Even securing carcase-to-carcase, that is too short. I can't even think of an application where a 20 mm screw would be used during installation.

Wa?! You must use some thick cardboard so I think you have your numbers mixed up mate.  

Kitchen units are normally 15-18 mm. Times them by two gives you....... Yes 30mm - 36mm so one would use a 25 - 30mm screws yes 30mm! YOU can use longer ones if you want but won't look very pretty on the other side.

I would use 15-20mm for metal brackets so metal braket = 1-2mm + 18mm  gives you 20mm..... what size screws would you use?? 60mm??  Well ill be using 15 mm screws.

Hinges for units and doors are like 15mm +

Then I use 60 to 100mm for fixing units to the wall depends on the wall but when you add up total amount of longer screws used to shorter screws used. The average would be........... 30mm

JMB, I understand Rick's thoughts on short screws in cabinet installation here in the US.  Euro style frameless cabinets have become fairly popular here now, but for many years almost all cabinets were made with face frames.  The most common way to attach cabinets together was through the face frame with a 2" (50mm) or longer screw.  For someone old school (read someone old like Rick [tongue]) it would seem very strange to imagine using 3/4"-1 1/4" (20-30mm) screws.  

Not debating that Brice I was just commenting on that fact that Rick was suggesting Dan was pushing the drill to hard. I was trying to say using it for kitchen fitting isn't pushing the drill to hard. UK kitchens that is and Dan lives in the UK.

I was saying that the average screw size  sorry typical sorry average umm typical, avarage, typical, average, typical.......... 15-30mm and then just a few larger screws here and there which festool say it can handle is Not pushing the drill to hard.

 

[GhostFist]

My cxs will do a 3" screw on 1. but it heats the little bastard up quite a bit. never even attempted a speedbore

 

[ldmillar1981]

I have had my cxs about 2 weeks, it does all I can ask, today I used it with my hettich hinge jig
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Done 34 hinges with the jig today and all the screws, 3/4 no6 on one battery on speed one without issue.

Regards
Leigh

 

[jmbfestool]

I have had my cxs about 2 weeks, it does all I can ask, today I used it with my hettich hinge jig
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Done 34 hinges with the jig today and all the screws, 3/4 no6 on one battery on speed one without issue.

Regards
Leigh

I own the Blum one very handy!!

i have not used the hettich one I was tempted at buying it but went with Blum cus I use Blum all the time.  

I know the hettich has more adjustments etc   Have you used the Blum one??  If so what did or didn't you like about it over the hettich??

What I hate about the Blum is it  clogs up I have drilled a large hole and stick my festool vac on it massive improvement but it still clogs up with MDF sometimes.  I also fined it difficult to cut the larger cutter in MDF.

 

[ldmillar1981]

I have had my cxs about 2 weeks, it does all I can ask, today I used it with my hettich hinge jig
Done 34 hinges with the jig today and all the screws, 3/4 no6 on one battery on speed one without issue.

Regards
Leigh

I own the Blum one very handy!!

i have not used the hettich one I was tempted at buying it but went with Blum cus I use Blum all the time.  

I know the hettich has more adjustments etc   Have you used the Blum one??  If so what did or didn't you like about it over the hettich??

What I hate about the Blum is it  clogs up I have drilled a large hole and stick my festool vac on it massive improvement but it still clogs up with MDF sometimes.  I also fined it difficult to cut the larger cutter in MDF.

Hi JMB,

I haven't used the Blum one but looked into it, the drills for the screws are adjustable on the hettich so I can set it up for which ever hinges I am using. The offset is also adjustable for flap hinges up to 8mm so you can use thicker material.
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The clogging I find a major bore! It's like playing the trumpet unclogging it. I will look into making a hole for the extractor.

I have also got the 2.5mm drills for mine so I can swap between euro screws or gauge 6 screws.

I got mine for £117.50 inc vat I will find the invoice when I am next in the office and let you know where from. Wurth do one identical but it's twice the cost.

Regards
Leigh

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[Dan1210]

I have had my cxs about 2 weeks, it does all I can ask, today I used it with my hettich hinge jig
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Done 34 hinges with the jig today and all the screws, 3/4 no6 on one battery on speed one without issue.

Regards
Leigh

Is this a jig for drilling hinge cup holes? If so your Cxs won't last very long for sure!

 

[Dan1210]

I used to have to drill all my hinge cup holes on some kitchens I used to fit (Pws components) I would set up a jig on my big dewalt router, much faster, I only ever use a drill if I have a few to do and for that I use. 14.4v drill, using the Cxs for this is a sure way to fry the motor, but just my 2 cents of course.

 

[ldmillar1981]

I have had my cxs about 2 weeks, it does all I can ask, today I used it with my hettich hinge jig
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Done 34 hinges with the jig today and all the screws, 3/4 no6 on one battery on speed one without issue.

Regards
Leigh

Is this a jig for drilling hinge cup holes? If so your Cxs won't last very long for sure!

Hi Dan,

Yes it's for drilling 35mm concealed hinge holes.

It's not something I am expecting the cxs to do daily, but it handled the task well.

I have never liked the router for doing cup hinges, I find drilling to be as quick or quicker for me, if I have a kitchen to do I set up a mains drill with my jig and away I go, the benefit of the jig is I get the screw holes done as well.

Each to there own method.

Regards
Leigh