demoralized noobie

geary126

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I've been building my first large cabinet project.  It's Timtool's sysbench.

Here's the thing.  I have been very, very careful.  For example, I have been using story sticks for everything, rather than merely measuring.  Checking with squares. 

Using the parallel guides, I check and recheck my marks.

And yet, this damn thing is off.

When I cut the panels, I lined them all up, and they were perfectly even.  Flush, all the way around.    So then I assembled them using glue and screws, and story sticks to keep the spacing even....and somewhere along the line, the carcass became off.

(I couldn't think about how to keep everything square in three dimensions, as I built it.  Using glue, as I did, I had to move fairly quickly.  But because the panels were even, I felt like I was safe to join them.

Then, I made the faceframes.....and it's perfect.  But doesn't line up with the carcass. 

If I were moving quickly, not showing this kind of care, I would understand it.

But to be so careful, and still be off, is very demoralizing.

One thing I noticed:  while ripping some strips for the faceframes...the edges weren't vertical.    So I pulled out the sqaure, and checked the TS 55 blade.  Perfect.  90°

I then checked my cheapish miter saw.  also perfect  (in both planes).

What I think was happening.    I was using parallel guides with a homemade spacer.  The spacer was 1/2";  the stock 3/4.    Because the guide was resting on the stock, mostly, I didn't think about it, but I think the guiderail may have deflected from time to time, given the thinner spacer.

Alternatively, in my small workshop, the hose from the Midi would sometimes get in the way, and I was not always aware where the hose was exiting the saw.  It may have been down from time to time, which perhaps lifting the saw slightly off the rail.  I'm definitely learning why everyone rigs up those hose lift systems.

No smoking gun, but I'm sort of dumbfounded as to the sources of error.

I think part of this is that it's an 1800 MM long cabinet, with many parts, and the errors can compound over the length of the project.

Or maybe I just suck.

On the positive side of things, it's mostly been fun.

Anybody who has the woodworking equivalent of "it gets better,"  I'm all ears to.

Or, what's the most common mistake you used to make (that I may be missing?)

Thanks
 
Generally I find it better to keep schtum about any mistakes I make. Much less embarrassing all round. We use a LOT of offcuts during the winter in our wood burner
 
First,  it sucks to make mistakes, but the more painful the mistake the more ingrained it is in the 'ole memory bank.

I mistake that perplexed me was when I was joining face frames to cabinet sides and although I was even using a domiplate I was finding that the the face frames weren't flush with the sides.  Some were proud of the sides and then some sides were proud of the face frames.  You wouldn't believe how many pieces of wood I chucked.  Turned out that I had used a spacer to cut my face frames using Tom's method that wasn't as thick as the workpiece and the resulting rips weren't square to the faces.  Then when cutting the domino slots the imprecise cut made me reference wrong and...

I learned from that.

Peter
 
For what it's worth - I always purchase 25% more material for a project than the materials list calls for and often make 5 when I only need 4 pieces.  I have always been an occasional woodworker but since retiring decided I was going to do more so I would learn to be more patient.  It sure hasn't been easy.  Over the years I often rushed projects because if I didn't get them done over the weekend I might not get back to them for months!  As a result, I developed a lot of bad habits.  So don't beat yourself up - practice makes perfect.  Just appreciate more the talents of those that turn out beautiful work!
 
hard to say, in terms of out of square.  4mm narrow  (406 vs.410) on one area vs. another  (4 vertical panels create two drawer units, with an area in between).

But I built the face frame, and it's not lining up well.

T
 
Sorry to hear about your frustrations.  I'm an experienced DIYer and still make mistakes, even when I'm careful.  Is it possible that your plywood was slightly bowed as I've had that happen to me on more than one occasion?  In this case I just take a clamp that can spread and use that to make it lineup.  If that is the case, make sure you store your plywood flat or perfectly vertical.

David
 
Mistakes?  What are those?

I've never made a mistake....nope, not me......

And the pile of wood in the corner in the of my shop sitting in the plastic bin labeled "FIRE WOOD"......yeah....um.....just you ignore that pile...

I'm not quite sure who put that wood in there..... [embarassed]    [tongue]    [big grin]

But seriously,  I got to ask.  Did you set up your Parallel guides properly?  I ask because I know someone who thought that the P-guides came ready
to use out of the box.

Eric
 
I only get depressed about mistakes the second time I make the same one  [embarassed]

Don't beat yourself up - you're already critical of your work and that is a hallmark of a craftsman.
 
Do you square you plywood first? Plywood is often not square. When you assume it is you might be surprised?
 
There is no such thing as a mistake....I was just practising the piece making sure everything was right before making the final piece

That's my excuse and I am sticking to it  [tongue]
 
as suggested checking plywood for square is useful. if your carcase components are out of square life is much more difficult.

If you have  a narrow top compared to the bottom check to see they are the same dimensions. If they are the same I would look to your glue/assembly procedures. I like to glue up in stages when possible, fighting with large components that are slippery with glue is difficult.

Dadoes and rabbets help a lot with cabinet carcases.

 
Hello Geary, did you take into account that the plans are made with 18mm panels mostly, and that US panels are 19mm (3/4th)?
If not, then if possible i would adjust the middle part and shorten it to make up for the thickness difference or adjust it to fit the face frame.

If the problem comes from miscutting panels then i feel your pain, last week i wasted 2 very expensive plywood panels by not clamping the rail...
 
tallgrass said:
Do you square you plywood first? Plywood is often not square. When you assume it is you might be surprised?

I've stopped assuming the cut edges are straight as well.
 
Keep your head up.  I have yet to complete a job that didn't require me fixing multiple mistakes along the way.  Wood is not static, it's going to do things you don't want it to do and in some respects you can't stop it from doing.  You can mitigate some of those things but by and large you adapt to them.  I've had plenty of boxes that weren't square and didn't make up perfectly with a face frame.  That's typically something that some clamps and/or pressure in the right places won't fix to push it into square.  I know it's little consolation but we've all been there and are better off for it.
 
lots of great advice here for you. mistakes are not a rare occurrence, they happen to all of us no matter how good. one key is discovering the source of the error and, and remembering it so that it doesnt happen again. 

one bit of advice that might be helpful in the future is to step away... if you notice things arent going right and you are getting fustrated... Instead of forcing yourself to keep working (which will lead to even more mistakes) step away for a minute and clear your head (read FOG, drink a coffee, go for a drive, whatever suits you)  often you will find that when you are on your little break or just after you return to the work piece, you will figure out what it is that went wrong and be able to fix it.

Kev said:
I only get depressed about mistakes the second time I make the same one  [embarassed]

Don't beat yourself up - you're already critical of your work and that is a hallmark of a craftsman.

I couldnt have said that any better

John
 
I found a book titled:

"101 keys to preventing and fixing woodworking mistakes" by Alan Bridgewater

to be helpful in recovering from all sorts of setbacks. It can help you develop a frame of mind that allows you to come up with solutions on your own. 

As for plywood thickness, it not only varies between sheets, but also within a single sheet. There are so many things that have gone wrong with my projects, I can only attribute project completion to pig headed perseverance.

Charles
 
I dont see why you are demoralized ?? You accepted in your own mind the challenge of creating something from scratch. Cutting up sheet goods on paper is easy, but in reality is a skilled endeavour.
I have never worked on a project that was free of error. The smallest thing can affect your work, right down to how you mark out and what you use to do so.

I was given a large metal square by a friend several years ago and it looked so fine and sturdy that I did'nt even check it. When I cut up sheet goods I like to have a large roofing square nearby to check the guide rails are square to the long edge of the sheet I am cutting and to check the sheets are square to begin with.
So for one particular project I used this new square...........and yes I got a kick in the spuds  [scared]  halfway through when I realised my cuts were all slightly out! So I personally have learnt the hard way that "Assumption is not my friend".

So may you continue to make mistakes, because if you are making mistakes you are making something... [wink]

That fine sturdy roofing square is now a motor part, thanks to scrap metal merchant...... [big grin]
 
It doesn't take much sometimes.  I have a semi-complete project now that is a little out.  I'm using it as-is for now, but will rebuild it entirely.  It does take the wind out of your sails.  I have a few hobbies and ebb-and-flow between them when one is becoming less fun for some reason or another.  When I come back re-energized the problem is usually overcome very quickly and I'm on to other things.  Step back and see the forest through the trees.  Step away from that project and build something simple, garage shelves or something, then come back with success under your belt and a willingness to figure out where you went wrong on this one.
 
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