Domino 5mm bits?

PeterK

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Am in the middle of a project of course using my Domino to attach 3/4" hardwood trim to plywood. Using the 5mm bit and just now the end of the bit broke off in the oak board. Was cutting just fine and all of a sudden it snapped off. Now I am screwed until I can get a replacement. I have cut lots of 5mm holes and don't know if would cause more problems recutting the existing slots with the 6mm bit.

Have any of you had problems with the 5mm bit breaking? I assume the 6mm is stronger being larger diameter and may switch to that in the future.

Pete
 
Rumored that Festool is coming out with a 4mm bit. Can't imagine it would last any time at all!!! That oscillating action is probably pretty hard on the bit tip.
Pete
 
Peter
The smaller bit is more supceptable to breaking as are most small router bits and drills. Just not as much steel to handle the torque.
I presume you have the vacuum on to help chip evacuating and cooling and not pushing really hard. Let the smaller bit cut slower into the wood and/or plunge 1/3 the way in and pull out then finish the plunge. helps to clear out the chips on the smaller bits and create just a little less friction/heat on the bit.
I recommend having a spare bit on hand if you are going to do a lot and don't want the downtime of running to get one or waiting for one to be sent.
 
PeterK said:
Have any of you had problems with the 5mm bit breaking? I assume the 6mm is stronger being larger diameter and may switch to that in the future.

As you can see from the replies, yes, there have been several reports of the 5mm bit breaking. See, for example, the threads titled Domino bits
and Broke a 5mm Domino bit today

I cannot remember seeing a report of any other size of bit breaking - just the 5mm.

Forrest

 
Thanks guys. Read the links that Forrest put in. I was widening a slot when it happened. Was trying to fix a screw up when using the add-on end stop thingys - don't think I will be using them any more. Guess the extra strain from widening the slot caused the damage. Going to get a couple more 5mm bits but if this continues, will just switch to the 6mm in the future. I don't have a local supplier for consumable items.
Pete
 
I machined several hundred holes with my original 5mm Domino bit before the tip broke off.  Breakage was my fault because I cut a mortise in a location with a hidden Kreg pocket screw.  The screw won and is still in fine shape.  The tip of the Domino bit broke off and the shank of the bit has some interesting "machining" marks on it.

Dave R.
 
Dave Ronyak said:
I machined several hundred holes with my original 5mm Domino bit before the tip broke off.  Breakage was my fault because I cut a mortise in a location with a hidden Kreg pocket screw.  The screw won and is still in fine shape.  The tip of the Domino bit broke off and the shank of the bit has some interesting "machining" marks on it.

Dave R.

I feel better knowing I'm not the only person that has done that.  ::)

Ed
 
Update on my broken bit (since I was the instigator of one of those other mentioned threads), I've now gone through at least two bags of 5mm Dominos without breaking another bit. I'm chalking it up to plunging too fast in hard wood.
 
Solid carbide bits are going to break. They are brittle and it is the nature of the beast.

You can only hope to get your monies worth before it happens. I have never made one dull before it broke. I am talking router, bits but the idea is the same.

They are solid carbide, aren't they?
 
PeterK said:
I was widening a slot when it happened.

When widening the slot, were you moving the machine sideways whilst the bit was plunged (like you might do with a router to lengthen a slot), or did you set the Domino to a wider oscillation setting, and then plunge?

Maybe one cause of breakage is moving the 5mm bit sideways whilst plunged, and that some of the other breakages happened when the Domino machine accidentally slipped sideways whilst cutting a hole?

It's just a theory, which I'm not going to put to the test with my machine...!

Forrest

 
Oh I thought they were solid carbide like an upcut router bit. If they are not and they are snapping there is a problem with the metal. In 25 years I have never snapped a bit unless it was the solid carbide type, not even the 1/4" or even 1/8" mini bits, not at the shank anyway..
 
Nick,

My 5mm Domino cutter broke at the brazed junction of the carbide tip and the steel shank behind it.  Both in cross section are shaped somewhat like a spiral cut router bit, except that only the carbide portion has sharpened edges on those flutes.  The end of the carbide tip is sharpened, too, of course for the plunge cutting action.  The steel shank is not fully hardened.  Contact with the hardened steel of a Kreg brand pocket screw created "theads" on the steel shank of the Domino cutter.  The steel shank did not fracture.

When I plunge with the Domino, I use a relatively slow stroke, which takes about 2 - 3 seconds.  That allows the bit to cut and the chips to clear.  I don't "slam" it into the wood. 

Dave R.
 
When I was widening the slot, I just adjusted the width setting and plunged off center. This obviously did not give equal pressure to the cutter across the slot. The carbide broke off right at the junction of the carbide and steel. Sure going to be more careful in the future!
Pete
 
Plunging off center should not be a problem but it makes it easier to plunge too fast because you get a different feedback from the tool. You don't feel the end pressure. Side pressure on the bit is always there, whether the slot is new or just being widened. The tool sees it all the same if the plunge rate is consistent. In these tools the hardened steel shank is tougher than what a solid carbide shank would be. Bottom line? The 5mm takes more finesse and the new 4 take will take even more.

Dave, stay away from those pocket screws.  ;D
 
When I want a slightly wider Domino slot, I simply make the first plunge cut, allow the cutter to fully withdraw, then reposition the tool slightly to one side and plunge again being careful not to jamb the bit to rapidly.  Almost always, I use a pencil mark to line up the Domino machine.  I did this for most of the several hundred joints I made for my Four Piece Entertainment Center and Bookcases, with no problems until I forgot about the pocket screw!

Dave R.
 
Hi all,

Best to think in terms of how the domino cutter works.  It is somewhat akin to a birdsmouth bit in that it cuts while moving side to side but cannot simply plunge without moving side to side as there is no way to clear the chips.  It is not a drill bit.  The Domino machine itself provides the side to side action and the user is providing the plunge action. 

If you make a full depth cut and then try to move the machine sideways, only the tip of the bit at the bottom of the slot can cut and side to side movement of the machine will only serve to lever the shank of the bit against the uncut side wall in the work piece.  If you try to plunge faster than the bit tip can cut and faster than the DC can remove the chips you will be levering the shank of the bit and overheating it. 

If you cut one mortise and then want to make it wider you are best off to cut from the same center line at a wider cut setting and plunge slowly since the bit is spinning in free air (while in the original mortise) until it slams into the uncut side wall at which point all the leverage is on the cutting tip.  It cuts to the width of the mortise that direction, then reverses through free air until it slams into the uncut side wall at the other side of the mortise.  There is a lot of shock to the bit each time it hits the uncut wall after spinning in free air so minimize the trauma to the bit by plunging more slowly while making an existing mortise wider than you did while cutting the original mortise in the first place.  it is possible to widen a mortise all from one side as Dave did, but you do need to go slowly and let the bit do its job.

Like other posters here, I can say that I have cut a lot of Domino mortises in all sizes in all kinds of very hard woods and have never broken a bit.  I thought I would wear them out, especially the 5mm one, cutting exotic woods with lots of sand and mineral take up, but am still going on the very first bit set that I received along with one of the very early Domino units to come into the US market.  The bits in that set may be getting dull, but I can't feel it and they seem to perform every bit as well today as they did day one.

One other consideration.  If you want to change an mortise from, say 5mm to like 6 or 8mm proceed slowly.  Let the machine do all the cutting.  In this case the cutting tip is only partially supported by the uncut wood.  Each cutting edge is hitting uncut wood, but during the time the bit is over the original mortise the center of the bit is unsupported.  With all the cutting action taking place just at the bit tip, that is a lot of leverage on the bit shank and it is being subjected to a constant diet of in-thrust and out-thrust forces as the bit tip cuts first on one side where it is climb cutting and then on the other where it is down grain cutting.  Again, plunge more slowly making a cut like this than you do making an original mortise in uncut wood.

Nearly all bit breakage will be a function of pilot error, but not always for the same reason so one person's experience will not necessarily translate directly to another persons problem.  Hope this helps.

Jerry
 
I have similar problems with 1/4" solid carbide spiral bits. Frustrating when you blow a bit Hopefully you have a dealer near you with some spares.

Dan Clermont
 
I think the bits are overhardened, I have snapped one 5mm, and a colleague has snapped one as well.
Neither of us were plunging mad with the Domino. I avoid the 5mm unless I really need to.

From 6mm on up I have never had a problem, the 8mm bit has done a great job so far, maybe two thousand holes in mdf and still going strong. Thats's a good return on the investment.
Maybe starting to get dull, but Dominos still fit snug.

:)
 
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