Domino XL on Ebay - CHEAP anybody buy from them (STOLEN)

[jacko9]

Chris,

Perhaps I'm just an old guy who refuses to use new technology like EBay but, my trust level is pretty low considering the scumbags out there Online, at Flea Markets, etc that I only make purchases from known dealers or retailers.  Perhaps I'm losing out on some bargains but, I can live with that and I don't buy lottery tickets either [wink]

Sad world we live in when trust can be shaken so easily [mad]

Jack

 

[Len Coleman]

  I had a call from my bank this week asking about a couple of purchases where they suspected fraud,  did I buy a boatload of stuff from Verizon?  Ah nooooo....
I work for AT&T.  It was on a card I RARELY use....I did however use it the day before these charges showed up.  I had to renew a vehicle tag and in Arizona they have 3rd party places you can go to with less waiting.  They dont take Amex so I used the visa and of course here you have to show your drivers license.

The bank has taken care of my end, but I am quite upset of this.  I file a police report....they dont care.  I called Verizons fraud department, they said they don't deal with this ( different definition of fraud), I tried to call and speak to someone at ADOT....they don't care.  So no one cares. The thieves win. 

I will be a PIA to the state though as this is a violation of the public trust.

 

[NHSP759]

Chris,

Perhaps I'm just an old guy who refuses to use new technology like EBay but, my trust level is pretty low considering the scumbags out there Online, at Flea Markets, etc that I only make purchases from known dealers or retailers.  Perhaps I'm losing out on some bargains but, I can live with that and I don't buy lottery tickets either [wink]

Sad world we live in when trust can be shaken so easily [mad]

Jack

+1 Jack. You have to be so careful when making a purchase. Long gone are the days of an honest face and a handshake. I don't go to Flea markets, and eBay has been a 50/50 shot the last two years for me. Tyler Tool, Amazon, Tool Nut....that's where I do most of my online purchases now. Sometimes it pays to uh err well....pay the going price.

 

[Slartibartfass]

Maybe we should sticky this thread....?

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

What was a result of the domino in classifieds section?

I was never provided a serial number to check.

 

[HowardH]

It was lead by a guy named Marvin Zindler. The Sheriff job was an elected position and when the newly elected, different Sheriff took office, he dissolved the position and Marvin Zindler was out of a job.

Marvin Zindler - Eye witness news!  ah, yes... those were the days.  He's also the one who shut down the house of ill repute in La Grange back in the 70's.  He wasn't  very popular for that...    [embarassed]

 

[tbellemare]

Bingo, Howard!

ZZ Top had a song about that place...

Tom

 

[jacko9]

ZZ Top's song La Grange is tops on my play list!

Jack

 

[HowardH]

"...just let me know.... if you want to go...  to that home out on the range....they gotta a lot of nice girls...have mercy....a  haw haw haw haw..."  how do you improve on that!?  sorry, i digress....

 

[Kevin McConville]

I've purchased an OF 2200 EB router from them - it hasn't arrived yet - looks like I'm getting screwed for my new tool and $$$$$$$$$$$

Shane - if it shows up I'll send you the serial number - in fact you can have it as evidence if you'd like. Other than that - what do you recommend?

 

[Kevin McConville]

Mine was bestqualitydeals by the way

Wish I'd seen this earlier - was really looking for my new router to go with the rest of the collection. Now my day /  weekend has just been shot. Instead of getting ready for something nice I'm going to have to deal with getting screwed and it will be hard to justify shelling out more $$$$$$$ for another one!

 

[MattrYYC]

Mine was bestqualitydeals by the way

Wish I'd seen this earlier - was really looking for my new router to go with the rest of the collection. Now my day /  weekend has just been shot. Instead of getting ready for something nice I'm going to have to deal with getting screwed and it will be hard to justify shelling out more $$$$$$$ for another one!

If you went through the eBay process and paid with PayPal I think you will be safe. Just start with the serial # and start from there once you get it.

 

[Kevin McConville]

I've been busy lately so I didn't notice that it's late - looking into it they have classified it as "shipped" and PayPal has paid them and charged my Amex, however when I go to the UPS tacking site for the tracking number given it says that all they have done is create a shipping label and that's how they get a tracking number.  That was almost 10 days ago and nothing has been picked up by UPS.  It seems unlikely that I will ever get my router to report the serial number to Shane.  I'm SOL and not having a good afternoon now.

 

[Walk On Wood]

Amex is awesome about giving your money back if you don't receive your item.. I had an issue with not receiving  an eBay item once, they refunded my money immediately, and THEN they investigated and went after paypal. 

 

[Kevin McConville]

As I mentioned - not having a great day but then to add to the total crap I'm now having to deal with I reread the comments above and caught something in Chris's post that was simply out of line and quite frankly offensively ignorant.

"reading the post really sends me over the edge because some people...they know....that if this $850 machine is being sold for $400 AND it's brand new it's clearly stolen. This kind of buyer is unscrupulous. The seller is a dirt bag but the buyer is contributing to the problem too."

While the statement above sounds and is reasonable on its face - It's unfair and I'll informed to cast it about without investigating the facts involved, something I would have thought a LE person would know better than to do.  In US funds, I paid $700 for a $885 item, a discount that is well within reason for an online retailer that does not have the overhead of a Brick and Mortar shop. It fell within reason for me that this seller was able to spot buy Festool products and was prepared to sell them for what he considered a reasonable margin.  My understanding of your and our antitrust / price fixing laws prevents Festool from stopping any Festool dealer, online or B&M from selling Festool products for whatever price they want.  The only thing Festool can restrict them from doing is to advertise their products for prices other than the MSL Price. There may be suggestions as to what long term business relationship dealers will have with Festool if they choose to sell for less than the MLS but without debating the validity of those sentiments it seemed reasonable that someone spot buying volume wholesale may very well sell for 25% less  Given there is often 10% off Products (currently the Domino line) this was not in the realm of buying knockoff Coach bags out of the trunk or a 1999 Dodge Neon.

I don't consider myself "unscrupulous" and as a Professional Engineer in good standing, neither does my community.  I'd prefer it if you didn't post a statement that clearly implies that those that might have purchased these goods is unscrupulous and a willing contributor to illegal activities.

Sorry for the negative post - as I said - not a great day, I'm sure you probably didn't intend to cast such a broad net on all for being an unscrupulous buyer, but having said that please be more careful to understand the facts before making such statements in the future.

 

[Wooden Skye]

As I mentioned - not having a great day but then to add to the total crap I'm now having to deal with I reread the comments above and caught something in Chris's post that was simply out of line and quite frankly offensively ignorant.

"reading the post really sends me over the edge because some people...they know....that if this $850 machine is being sold for $400 AND it's brand new it's clearly stolen. This kind of buyer is unscrupulous. The seller is a dirt bag but the buyer is contributing to the problem too."

While the statement above sounds and is reasonable on its face - It's unfair and I'll informed to cast it about without investigating the facts involved, something I would have thought a LE person would know better than to do.  In US funds, I paid $700 for a $885 item, a discount that is well within reason for an online retailer that does not have the overhead of a Brick and Mortar shop. It fell within reason for me that this seller was able to spot buy Festool products and was prepared to sell them for what he considered a reasonable margin.  My understanding of your and our antitrust / price fixing laws prevents Festool from stopping any Festool dealer, online or B&M from selling Festool products for whatever price they want.  The only thing Festool can restrict them from doing is to advertise their products for prices other than the MSL Price. There may be suggestions as to what long term business relationship dealers will have with Festool if they choose to sell for less than the MLS but without debating the validity of those sentiments it seemed reasonable that someone spot buying volume wholesale may very well sell for 25% less  Given there is often 10% off Products (currently the Domino line) this was not in the realm of buying knockoff Coach bags out of the trunk or a 1999 Dodge Neon.

I don't consider myself "unscrupulous" and as a Professional Engineer in good standing, neither does my community.  I'd prefer it if you didn't post a statement that clearly implies that those that might have purchased these goods is unscrupulous and a willing contributor to illegal activities.

Sorry for the negative post - as I said - not a great day, I'm sure you probably didn't intend to cast such a broad net on all for being an unscrupulous buyer, but having said that please be more careful to understand the facts before making such statements in the future.

I don't want you to take this post as an insult, but if you are buying a brand new product for a discount, then there has to be some doubt.  In the US, dealers whether online or B&M, cannot discount the tools unless Festool USA is running a promotion like the current domino or the planex a couple months back.  A close to 25% discount isn't going to happen from any dealer, outside of the reconditioned sale that happens from time to time.  The max during that sale is 30%, and those are tools that were returned or needed work.

I don't think Chris was trying to insult anyone, I read his statement as buyers who are purchasing these items are contributing to the large amount of tool theft, or fraud, he was just putting the old statement of if it is to good to be true, it probably is in a different way. 

Again, if you research Festool, the prices are known.  When I bought my first, I looked around trying to find the best price, then learned one stores price is the same as all the others.  I am not a big fan of EBay and Craigslist, and generally won't buy anything Festool related from them. 

I am sorry about the situation you are in, I would be ticked off as well, but as someone else mentioned, call Amex and try to get your money back.

 

[Brice Burrell]

.....In US funds, I paid $700 for a $885 item, a discount that is well within reason for an online retailer that does not have the overhead of a Brick and Mortar shop. It fell within reason for me that this seller was able to spot buy Festool products and was prepared to sell them for what he considered a reasonable margin.  My understanding of your and our antitrust / price fixing laws prevents Festool from stopping any Festool dealer, online or B&M from selling Festool products for whatever price they want.  The only thing Festool can restrict them from doing is to advertise their products for prices other than the MSL Price. There may be suggestions as to what long term business relationship dealers will have with Festool if they choose to sell for less than the MLS but without debating the validity of those sentiments it seemed reasonable that someone spot buying volume wholesale may very well sell for 25% less  Given there is often 10% off Products (currently the Domino line) this was not in the realm of buying knockoff Coach bags out of the trunk or a 1999 Dodge Neon.......

     

For anyone reading this now and in the future that is under the impression dealers can discount by buying large quantities at deep wholesale prices is not how it works.  To add to what Skye said, he's right about all legit discounts being Festool authorized promotions, reconditioned tool sales (and don't forget discontinued tools are discounted too).  The only other "somewhat" legit discounting is from a dealer that has ended it's relationship with Festool and no longer an authorized dealer.  They can sell off any remaining stock at any price they choose.  This is very rare since there isn't a lot Festool dealers as a whole and very few that stop selling Festool.  Also, as I understand it Festool usually buys out all of the remaining stock to prevent discounting by the former dealer.

So for anyone that wants to know if a sale/discount is legit call Festool, check the Festool website or with an Festool authorized dealer (check the Festool website for a list of authorized dealers).

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Kevin,

Sorry to read that you are yet another unsuspecting victim of this thief. Most of the recent communications I've had with buyers say the same that you are reporting. A tracking number has been generated, but no shipment in progress. I think he/she knows that they have been found out. My advice would be that you contact eBay and/or Paypal and open a claim. I have already reported these sellers to eBay, so they should have documentation about the stolen property.

Shane

 

[Kevin McConville]

Thanks Shane - I'm already on it and given the combo of Ebay/PayPal/Amex I'm sure I'll get resolution, albeit with a few headaches along the way.  Like Frank I believed that our respective antitrust laws prevented price fixing or sometimes called price maintenance.  At least this has given me cause to review our statutes and like the info Frank found neither of our laws are enforced unless the price maintenance activities occur by someone in a position of market dominance or by someone using them to gain a position of dominance, so Festool may not fall into this category.

Given that I have bought Festool products from reputable companies (Amazon most recently) at less than the MSRP can you clarify if Festool requires dealers to sell at the MSRP or just advertise that way in a Cooperative Advertising Agreement?

 

[JCLP]

It's interesting to read this thread and many others about Festool dealers not being able to discount their products and charging MSRP to their clients. I don't know what it is like in the US but up here there are many companies that have the same policy regarding pricing. For example, Under Amour clothing, Nikon, Canon and just found out Milwaukee tools is going to start doing the same thing. Every month they will add a number of their products to this policy until such time that all of their products will be sold at MSRP. I was told by a reputable source in the retail business, that a lot of companies will be going down this path. They recognize the dealers who have made an investment into a store front and they want to stop online retailers from taking their business. I know that online shopping is convenient for many products, but if you want a quality product with customer service and knowledge, you will have to pay the price. I know personally, I will pay the extra dollars for the service and knowledge I get from any dealer selling any product. I have never purchased anything form an online retailer and probably never will. Just my 2 cents worth.