Dove tail saws

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Looking to get a dove tail saw. I really like the Gramercy tools saw, a friend said that his favorite is a Black Burn tools (10 month wait).

Read good things and bad about numerous saws.

Not sure if I should start out with a more cost effective saw now and then buy something better/nicer?

Any recommendations?
 
I've got an older Lie Nielsen and a two-ish year old Bad Ax. I prefer the the BA, no surprise, since the LN is off the shelf while the Bad Ax is custom. Got a Blackburn sash saw on order, it'll be a while before I can give a review. Test drove a Gramercy and like it but no in-depth experience. Lee Valley is said to make a good cost effective back saw, not used one personally. Given your taste in old iron have you considered a vintage saw?

John
 
 
Knight Woodworks said:
I've got an older Lie Nielsen and a two-ish year old Bad Ax. I prefer the the BA, no surprise, since the LN is off the shelf while the Bad Ax is custom. Got a Blackburn sash saw on order, it'll be a while before I can give a review. Test drove a Gramercy and like it but no in-depth experience. Lee Valley is said to make a good cost effective back saw, not used one personally. Given your taste in old iron have you considered a vintage saw?

John

I have, but i am in no way interested in learning how to set and file teeth at this time. 
 
I really like Japanese pull saws with splines, but if you are doing deeper cuts the splineless saws work fine. Been using them for 25 years with great dovetail every time. I also use them to tune-up mitre joints when I trim out places. Nice little saw all the way around.
 
Brent Taylor said:
I really like Japanese pull saws with splines, but if you are doing deeper cuts the splineless saws work fine. Been using them for 25 years with great dovetail every time. I also use them to tune-up mitre joints when I trim out places. Nice little saw all the way around.

Prefer to stick with a western style saw. 
 
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the custom made saws. I really like Bad Axe and Adria saws of which I have four.
I really like the Wenzloff half back saw, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend their dovetail saw based on my use of the half back saw I own.
I have the Veritas saw which I like for soft wood like pine, but I like the weight and feel of a traditional back saw a bit better for hardwoods like maple.
Tim

PS: Knowing your penchant for fixing things, after you start getting saws you will want to sharpen them. It's really annoying using a dull saw.
 
Back to vintage for a moment. There are people who tune and sharpen old saws.
I can personally recommend Matt Cianci.    www.thesawwright.com
It's one way to get a good quality saw at a more affordable price.

John

 
Dam,

If those Bad Axe saws are as nice as they look i just gotta have one!

I had been on the fence between buying a dovetail jig or just slowing down learning how to cut them by hand and buying the nesisary tools to do so.

Only thing keeping me from pulling the hand tool trigger is have a buddy selling a newest generation 24" PC Omnijig used maybe once for $200!

Think im gonna go the hand route regardless...
 
If you want a Heirloom Saw (i.e. one that you can pass on to future generations) then you might want to take a look at the ones by Rob Cosman (Canada) or the 'New Kid on the Block' Skelton Saws in the UK.

There is a video of the Skelton Saw that has just been published by Graham Haydon on YouTube and these are Hand Made Saws that whilst not cheap (but Hey, you're on a Festool Forum so you must be used to that) they are made to last a lifetime.

There was recently a pass-around of one of the Skelton Saws to members of the UK Workshop Forum and they had nothing bad to say about it. (I hope this is okay, if not please remove it).

I do not have any interest in either Skelton Saws or Rob Cosman other than having heard good reports about their saws.
 
Before Uncle Arthor visited my hands & I had switch to Jap saws, I used a small panel saw ( Euro made, sorry), But if you have larger hands a regular panel saw maybe the ticket. Just stay inside the line due to the cut. Happy Hunting
 
Ever try a Glen Drake Joinery saw? Glen Drake ToolworksI have one of his saws and I like it. It is western in that it cuts on the push stroke, but it has a modified Gentlemans handle.

What I like about the saw is that it is easy to start a cut because there are no teeth in the front and the rear of the sawblade. If you get a saw from him, the blade is removable, so you can send it to him to sharpen. Not sure if it still stands, but he used to sharpen them for free. He sometimes comes to Lie-Nielsen Tool events.
 
ErikF makes some fine saws and they're reasonably priced.

http://lumberjocks.com/messages/new/ErikF
Dovetail 10” 15tpi rip 1 ½” at the toe, 1 ¾” at the heel.
• Full kit- two screw sets, complete and assembled plate/back, set and sharpened: $60.00
• Full kit- two screw sets, complete and assembled plate/back, punched plate: $45.00
• Copper adds $7.00.

Tenon Saw 12” 12tpi rip/x-cut 2 ¼” at the toe, 2 5/8” at the heel.
• Full kit- two screw sets, complete and assembled plate/back, set and sharpened: $65.00 rip
• Full kit- two screw sets, complete and assembled plate/back, punched plate: $50.00 rip
• X-Cut add $7.50 to the sharpened and set kit.
• Copper adds $7.00.
 
Hey people, great forum, loads of helpful insight from really experienced woodworkers and everything you will ever need to know about my beloved Festool...

So, dovetail saws. I would like to start by saying that I have now spent almost as much money on premium handtools as I have on my Festool. £7k on Fes and around 5 on an exhaustive collection of handtools, my point...very addictive.

The majority of info you need has already been posted so I just wanted to say that as an owner of Veritas, LN, Pax - Thomas Flynn and Bad Axe saws (western) the right choice for me is the LN tapered dovetail saw with the leather case. I started with Veritas, bought their DT saw, cross cut tenon and the largest rip cut tenon. I quickly acquired the set of 4  Gyokucho from Workshop Heaven after receiving the Veritas and was almost completely converted to Japanese saws for thier precision, simplicity and their obvious efficiency (replaceable blade).  Enter the 10" Bad Axe dovetail hybrid and 14" sash saw. These saws will outlast me, outperform the majority of saws available on the market and pretty much make your handtool operations a joy. One would think that the abovementioned saws would be sufficient for all workshop applications but I couldn't resist the LN tapered dovetail saw and wanted to know if their saws are as good as the handplanes I own from them, in short, they are equal in quality and performance and I now place the LN saw at the very top of the shelf as it simply rocks.

To round it off I bought the two golden series Kataba saws, 150mm dovetail saw and a cross/rip hybrid and they are ridiculously brilliant in their performance. The usual saw marks visible after a cut are non existent and I mean smooth as. I was amazed by their performance and will not be looking elsewhere for tools. Classic Handtools and Workshop Heaven provide me with all I need in relation to handtool needs and despite the initial costs it is so worth having a collection of saws that never need to be replaced.

The argument over western vs eastern is moot in my opinion as I use one or the other for both tasks depending on the size of the stock and species of timber.

In summary, veritas do make nice handtools and the majority of my speciality planes (plow plane/router/shoulder/rebate) are supplied by them but for saws I must insist LN or Bad Axe irrespective of the cost as they are superior and look so much better on your saw rack.

Happy woodworking
 
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