ETS 125 disappointment:(

while i don't have specific experience with the ets 125, it seems plenty of qualified people have given their honest advice... The purpose of my post is to commend you on your incredible woodworking skills. Your work is beautiful, you are truly an artist!    Welcome to FOG! Glad to have you here

John
 
Hi and welcome to the FOG.

I love my ETS 125 and use it all the time for fine work and particularly veneers. I would suggest that you give it a few more chances, and perhaps try it with the interface pad? I find this helps to limit the braking power of the sander as it provides more space between the pad and the wood.
 
Thanks everyone for your help.  I will run it for several hours like many have suggested. 

John
 
It just might be from what I am reading that the pad is not rotating at all when sanding?
If so, I had the same issue with my RO90 when new and had to send it back in for service. Turned out the brake was too tight not allowing the pad to rotate while in use.
 
welcome to the fog
the ets should spin freely. yes you can stop it but on a flat surface it should spin.
check the vac setting. toomuch will suck the sander down too much

where is this website. i dont see it posted
 
I probably didn't do justice in my previous post about how much I use and enjoy the use of the ets125 for scuff and finish sanding tasks on raw or in between coat substrate.

I don't care so much about the semantics:

Is it spinning?
Is it oribiting?
Is it random orbiting?
Is it eccentricing?
Is it oscillating?

Who cares. It works great where I need it to, which is in fine finish situations.

As others have mentioned, it is essential to turn the suction on the extractor all the way down, sander speed up, and (as with the rts and dts) it has a bit of a sensitivity to grit selection, so choose appropriate to the task. In nearly two years of use, the only downside to the ets is that it is not capable of more aggression. The ergonomics of it may be the best of ANY Festool sander.

 
is there more info or another  thread on the break in period of the ets 125 somewhere? i cant seem to find it. thanks !!!
 
mattdh said:
is there more info or another  thread on the break in period of the ets 125 somewhere? i cant seem to find it. thanks !!!

It takes about 6 hours. Throw it in a pillow, hang it form a rope, or just use it on some non critical tasks. It seasons up and you are good.

In my opinion, as someone who professionally uses hand sanders probably as much as anyone, the reason the ets 125 is misunderstood is because it is the only Festool sander that is a 5" round dealio. It is the only one that looks anything like any other sander we all ever used. So, psychologically, we subconsciously expect it to work similar to other 5" round sanders that we have used. It doesn't. That is pretty much that.

I am working on a book on the Psychology of Sanding. I plan to never publish it.  [big grin]
 
Peter Halle said:
Alan m said:
welcome to the fog
the ets should spin freely. yes you can stop it but on a flat surface it should spin.
check the vac setting. toomuch will suck the sander down too much

where is this website. i dont see it posted

http://sincerbeaux.com

thanks peter.

wow , thats some great work sinbad
i wouldnt be able to come close to that.
 
John,

Beautiful work...thanks for the link to your site.  That is awesome that you get to fly to Hawaii every week -- that would be an inspiring place to get to do some woodwork.  Great stuff.

I hope you share more of your work on FOG.  Would love to read more about your inlay techniques.

Keep us posted on how your ETS works out. 

Scot
 
Scott B. said:
I am working on a book on the Psychology of Sanding. I plan to never publish it.  [big grin]

Oh please do Scott.  Zen Sanding.  Just what I will need to read to MacGyver so that he sleeps thru the night. [poke] [big grin] [big grin]

Peter
 
Hi Sinbad.  +1 what others have said about your work.
My thinking on this is pretty much in line with the comments of others.
(A concern for me in all of this is, that the technician in the Festool Service Center (Woodcraft, Honolulu) showed no ‘technical empathy’ for what you querying – quote “...and the tech. said there is nothing wrong with it and showed me a new one that does the same thing...” end of quote.
And they just left it at that??
Wondering what they really know about Festool products – or how sanders are supposed do their work.)

1/  Sander needs to be ‘broken in.’ Will (might) sort it out.
(imho:  would be better if the lower wattage sanders, in particular, were run-in before being put on sale.  Or, at the very least, a big advisory sticker put onto the sanders.)
2/  Suction. Comments made about suction spot on.  Seem to remember reading a post, where someone reduced the airflow even more – can’t recollect how they did that – maybe drilled a hole in the hose or something.  Depends on the job in hand of course – is the pad over the edge of workpiece etc.
3/  Power. Some think the sander would benefit from a little more.
4/  Technique. Reckon this falls, big time, into the ‘teaching granny to suck eggs’ category; so not going there.

You’ve obviously become very familiar with the old PC  ROS (indeed ‘at one’ with it I guess) and I speculate more powerful than the ETS, and, perhaps bigger?  (just curious – what is the ‘sanding stroke’ of the PC sander?)  Might that familiarity have coloured your expectations of the ETS?
In this context, wonder if the ETS 150 3mm would suit)  The R0 90?  The 30 day returns policy might be useful if you wanted to try them out.
That said, you’d think the ETS 125 was almost purpose made for just what you’re doing.
(Fwiw – a reconditioned 125 was my first Festool (no dust extractor at that point) and was used to sand down the wood frame of a very large balcony (with a couple of windows in it as well) with grotty, weather beaten,  badly flaking old paint.  Can’t remember now what grit started with, but modestly low – perhaps 80.  Just let sander do its job.  No problem – in fact, compared to what I was used to, a very pleasant experience.  Soon moved onto a RO150 with Midi dust extractor though.
It can do more than some give it credit for is my message I suppose.)

Festool support in USA appears 2nd to none.  Shane is on it – Festool USA will get it sorted if something else amiss.

Would be really great if you’d let us know how you get on – and what your thoughts are, with whatever sander you end up using.  In my eyes, you are at the cutting edge in the usage of such sanders.
Richard.
 
I'm curious about the original complaint that the pad doesn't rotate. Mt ETS125 is fairly new and the pad clearly rotates.  ???
 
Sinbad (John) - great work displayed on your website.  I was also disappointed with the ETS 125 and returned it after two weeks and bought the ETS 150/3.

A few months later I realized why I wanted both sanders while finishing a large credenza and sanding the vertical surfaces.  I now have the ETS 125, ETS 150/3, RO 90 and the LS 130.

I don't miss my Bosch 5" RO but, my son appreciates it very much since it was "free".

Good luck and I look forward to seeing examples of your work.

Jack
 
Thank you everyone for your kind compliments. 
Tonight I am going to let the ETS run for several hours and I will get back to you on the results.  I bought the sander based on description of what the sander does because, yes, it sounded like a perfect tool for my purposes and secondly, the ergonomics.  I do love the small size. 

I have been reading about the Mirka Ceros 5.  If my ETS doesn't come to life, I think that will be my next choice.

Aloha

 
sinbad said:
Thank you everyone for your kind compliments. 
Tonight I am going to let the ETS run for several hours and I will get back to you on the results.  I bought the sander based on description of what the sander does because, yes, it sounded like a perfect tool for my purposes and secondly, the ergonomics.  I do love the small size. 

I have been reading about the Mirka Ceros 5.  If my ETS doesn't come to life, I think that will be my next choice.

Aloha

The Mirka is better..Not to disparage the ETS, but the Mirka is about as good as it gets. It's also twice the price so it should be.
 
Can't wait to see your comments after the ETS 125 gets its training pants off and is fully ready to roll.  Re the Mirka - lots of mixed comments out there on the web about it.  Lots of stuff out there about Festool too.

Just saying.

Peter
 
Re ETS 125
My new ETS 125 of three weeks was exhibiting similar problems to those above until this morning when I turned the vac down to one third, and it then superbly finish sanded a length of Australian Red Gum.

Stephen
 
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