Even Dewalt are doing it now

Has anyone wondered if this means a cheap Dewalt blade that will fit a Festool saw? It has a 20mm arbor.

--M
 
There's now a (rather breathless) video of the DeWalt Plunge Saw in action athttp://www.dewalt.co.uk/ontrack/UK/index.html which is quite interesting.

Note that it is available (in the UK at least) in "corded, 28 Volt Nano Technology and 18 Volt XRP versions". Also note that it stays put on the rail when the rail is elevated at one end, when you'd expect the saw to slide backwards under gravity. Presumably this is the "integral anti-kick-back function".

Forrest

 
Check out the video, they have a few very good ideas. I really like the right angle attachment they have, I'd buy one in a second if Festool offered one. And the Erwin style "quick clamp" guide rail clamp. Thanks Forrest for posting this.
 
Hi,

    I too like the right angle attachment. I wonder how accurate it is?  Makes me think about building one.  It appears that the saw can  run on either side of the rail.  I also notice that  the rail has one rib down the center for the saw too ride on.  But the saw has more than one slot that looks as if it would fit the rib. Maybe some type of set up to offset cuts X distance?

Seth
 
I like the right angle and adjustable angle attachments best, but don't really have much need for either in my hobby shop.  I think you can make a similar device to fit the Festool guide rail slots.  You could start with a connector bar for the base guide/locking member.  The connectors come with four threaded holes which could be used to secure a cross piece at 90 degrees.  Similarly, for an adjustable angle attachment, you could rout an arcuate slot.  The slot would match with one of the holes in the connector bar and the pivot point with another of the holes in the connector bar.  1/4" hardboard or plywood or HDPE should work, and with these my hunch is that some of the other standard Festool knob screws might work.  (I am not near my tools at this time to compare the thread size of the set screws in the connector bars and the screw knobs used to hold the outer anti-chip guard to the TS 55 saw.  I think they might be the same thread size.)  To ensure a a tighter fit, instead of the Festool connector bars, you could make your own bars from HDPE or fiberglass filled plastic.

Dave R.
 
semenza said:
Hi,

     I too like the right angle attachment. I wonder how accurate it is ?

Seth
I was thinking the same thing - still going to need to check (each Cut set up) with a large square.
The saw has the riving knife and they even coppied the router guide set up. But all in all - looks good.
  The anti Festool crowd will no doubt be willing to spend whatever it takes for the yellow DeWalt or blue Makita since they have a larger market share of the power tool arena.  What's next a yellow domino ? They are probably working on a CT22 clone also.
 
If Dewalt solves the repeated rips problem then they will have an edge over Festool, but then they also sell table saws for that operation as well. Interesting that they show a guy using their saw cutting sheathing on a roof which might imply that their tool is more rugged. Not sure I'd be sending my TS55 out on the job over a worm drive. Their saw looks "bulky" when compared to a TS55 and possibly a TS75. Since I'm invested into the Festool world I don't really see any advantages Dewalt is offering. Plus I just think Festool hires better industrial designers so their tools not only work better but LOOK better.
 
Oh yeah, the cordless version. I'm not a fan of cordless saws, but some people swear by cordless everything.
 
An equally important question is whether DeWalt has improved their quality control?  And is it uniform across their tool line?  And what is DeWalt's warranty service/support in the event of a problem?  I see no reason to contemplate any switch to DeWalt because Festool already has a system and these other attributes as well.  As I watched the video, though, it appeared that joining a pair of rail might be easier/faster than with Festool.

Dave R.
 
Dave Ronyak said:
An equally important question is whether DeWalt has improved their quality control?  And is it uniform across their tool line?  And what is DeWalt's warranty service/support in the event of a problem?  I see no reason to contemplate any switch to DeWalt because Festool already has a system and these other attributes as well.  As I watched the video, though, it appeared that joining a pair of rail might be easier/faster than with Festool.

Dave R.

Hi,

    Well yes , I would expect joining rails to "appear" easier in the company video. But that video didn't show them being checked for alignment and I can't believe that it would not be needed. 
    Certainly no reason to switch , but there could be some good ideas there.

  Seth
 
I think one of the most important questions is what will Festool's response to the competition from DeWalt, Makita and perhaps renewed efforts of other European tool makers?  Will they redouble their efforts to increase the value built into their tools and address the items on the FOG and other owners wish lists or simply continue to approach their business in the same manner as in the past?  In my opinion, Festool now has an incentive and an opportunity to advance and accelerate their current leadership position.  They could begin by addressing the shortcomings and wish list items.  They could further develop and expand their system approach, looking for ways to simplify the need for duplicate components and thus reduce the cost to their customers while increasing value.  (Here are a couple of examples I would be interested in purchasing from Festool.  The limit stops I have for the guide rails are essentially incomplete units of those supplied as components of the side stops for the hole drilling guide; if Festool made longer calibrated hex rods available, these side stops could be set up quickly and used for very accurate repeat cuts/dados on large sheet goods.   If Festool made all components of the MFS 400 and 700 systems available for separate purchase, thus eliminating the need to purchase both an MFS 400 and MFS 700 to obtain all three lengths of he calibrated extrusions and thereby reducing costs relative to system capability.)  Or will they continue to operate with the same approach as before new competitors (DeWalt and Makita) arrived?

Dave R.
 
Dave Ronyak said:
.................... Or will they continue to operate with the same approach as before new competitors (DeWalt and Makita) arrived?

Dave R.

Wow, that was like the copy on the back cover of a thriller novel. I'm all lathered up now! What will they do?! :o :D ;D
 
Stay tuned, grab a piece of your favorite wood, a bottle of Titebond, and get ready for Festool to write the next chapter (if Brice B. and Jerry W. and John L. don't beat them to it)!

Time for this Yank to get some shuteye.  Good day, Eli!

Dave R
 
Dave Ronyak said:
I think one of the most important questions is what will Festool's response to the competition from DeWalt, Makita and perhaps renewed efforts of other European tool makers?  Will they redouble their efforts to increase the value built into their tools and address the items on the FOG and other owners wish lists or simply continue to approach their business in the same manner as in the past?  In my opinion, Festool now has an incentive and an opportunity to advance and accelerate their current leadership position.  They could begin by addressing the shortcomings and wish list items.  They could further develop and expand their system approach, looking for ways to simplify the need for duplicate components and thus reduce the cost to their customers while increasing value.  (Here are a couple of examples I would be interested in purchasing from Festool.  The limit stops I have for the guide rails are essentially incomplete units of those supplied as components of the side stops for the hole drilling guide; if Festool made longer calibrated hex rods available, these side stops could be set up quickly and used for very accurate repeat cuts/dados on large sheet goods.   If Festool made all components of the MFS 400 and 700 systems available for separate purchase, thus eliminating the need to purchase both an MFS 400 and MFS 700 to obtain all three lengths of he calibrated extrusions and thereby reducing costs relative to system capability.)  
Dave R.
Dave,

Excellent points, particularly about manufacturing rods or somethin' for repeatability. I think it woukd be a huge seller and an asset to cabinet building. I have asked myself that sanme question many times; I mean where's the holdup/delay/problem with getting that to market? As for the MFS components, I am pretty positive those individual components will be available for sale pretty soon.
One point I would disagree (although slightly) with you on is your last statement "Or will they continue to operate with the same approach as before new competitors (DeWalt and Makita) arrived?", if by that you are implying that Festool kinda just makes the tools, serves em' up to the customers, like em' or not/take it or leave it. Festool invests heavily in marketing research, product development, analyzing competitor's models, getting feedback (including, I bet, feedback from this board) twistin' and tweakin' before a tool comes to market. I just wish they'd do it faster!
As for the new Dewalt and Makita saws, I think new compettion is a very goood thing, but Festool  has had competition in Europe with a "guided saw system" for a looooooong time from Mafell. And Mafell make a damn nice saw!
Again, Festool does listen, just wish they's listen faster ;D.

Bob
 
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