AlexThePalex
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Holz-Her said:New Fein cordless SuperCut:
The corded models will follow in january
Is that the surgeon's kit?
Fein vs Festool
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I have a supercut that I got from tool nut when they dropped the price,and put it in a systainer. Best move I've made in awhile .
I had used other multi-tools ,but not a fein,the others are just toys.
Blades are spendy,but it's part of the cost of doing business.
I would think that the festool is as good,but why spend more?,plus you know where it is in your systainer stack cuz it's orange. I just tell the guys to "grab the orange tool" when needed.
Charlie
I had used other multi-tools ,but not a fein,the others are just toys.
Blades are spendy,but it's part of the cost of doing business.
I would think that the festool is as good,but why spend more?,plus you know where it is in your systainer stack cuz it's orange. I just tell the guys to "grab the orange tool" when needed.
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I have had the Fein for a few years now, and I don't like it. It does certain task very well, such as sanding, but it is not very precise at cutting...too much vibrations...I almost never use it...
I do love the long cord, but what I don't like is a very poor design for the vac. Attachment, very flimsy. I have never tried d the competive offerings, they may not be much better...
I do love the long cord, but what I don't like is a very poor design for the vac. Attachment, very flimsy. I have never tried d the competive offerings, they may not be much better...
I just purchased the Fein 350Q Multimaster basic with the canvas bag for $159.95, registered it and Fein is sending me a package with 6 ECut blades for free. My dealer had a special which also included the Multimaster Top kit for $299.95, but the difference was the hard case and 6 blades and more sanding stuff.
I am just a hobbiest and wanted the basics but have already picked out about $160.00 worth of interesting cutters and accessories. I feel I am still money ahead of the Top kit because the tool is more tailored to my uses.
I am just a hobbiest and wanted the basics but have already picked out about $160.00 worth of interesting cutters and accessories. I feel I am still money ahead of the Top kit because the tool is more tailored to my uses.
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Is it off topic to ask about Fein vacs vs Festools? Looking for a dedicated vac for Kapex to minimize moving CT around in a small,cluttered shop. Model for model, the Fein seems to have better performance specs than the Festool. Having a Hepa filter is completely inconsequential to me. I've had a Laguna 1400 Circulator air filtration system for several years which works pretty well cleaning up the air in a 22' x 22' shop. Fein vacs are sometimes half the cost of comparable Festool vacs. Just asking.
Doc - you need to check to see if the tool socket on the Fein will handle the load of a Kapex. They draw a lot of current and the CT vacs are designed to deal with it. The older Fein vacs could handle it , but I don't know if the newer Eastern European made produced models will.
I'd verify before I bought one so as not to have a paperweight.
I'd verify before I bought one so as not to have a paperweight.
I use three older Feins, all with autp start and suction control at the machine. They have always worked great for me. I have one through an Oneida steel cyclone dedicated to a table saw. Another attached to a chop saw, again through a steel Oneida and the third we use in our house. I have a Festool Midi with an Oneida Festool cyclone on top and a 26 with the Festool work center on top, and a CT Sys that stays in myt van. All my vacs work as well as another, the Festool advantage in my eyes is being able to attach the systainers and work station on the vac and be mobile. One advantage Fein has is that their attachments are much cheaper if you do not require that they be stored in a systainer.
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Fein vacs perform just as good as Festool vacs, perhaps even better.
There is really nothing special about Festool vacs compared to other tool brands, in fact, other brands often have better suction.
There is really nothing special about Festool vacs compared to other tool brands, in fact, other brands often have better suction.
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Not only that is it rated at 2000 watts, I have had an OF2200 hooked to a Fein for at least two years, no issues at all. So a Kapex isn't going to be an issue at all.
Why do so many people think that Kapex draws so much current? I could never get it to pull more than 9 or 10 amps under heavy cutting. I believe it's rated at 13 amps, but that's probably locking the thing up, possibly a split second when the unit turns on.
I still have never burned up a Fein or a Festool vac with Anything I ever plugged into them.
I have table top enc tables plugged right into a Fein and Festool CT, both the vacs handle a 10 to 14 amp draw all day long, 10 hours a day. Both vacs are working right now and fine. I have the CNC tables with boom arms hooked to the vacs and all has been good for many years now. One is using CT33 so it has to be at least 7 years now, and the other is an old style Fein Turbo III that must be 10 years old! Both are still going strong noo issue with the auto start at all.
Why do so many people think that Kapex draws so much current? I could never get it to pull more than 9 or 10 amps under heavy cutting. I believe it's rated at 13 amps, but that's probably locking the thing up, possibly a split second when the unit turns on.
I still have never burned up a Fein or a Festool vac with Anything I ever plugged into them.
I have table top enc tables plugged right into a Fein and Festool CT, both the vacs handle a 10 to 14 amp draw all day long, 10 hours a day. Both vacs are working right now and fine. I have the CNC tables with boom arms hooked to the vacs and all has been good for many years now. One is using CT33 so it has to be at least 7 years now, and the other is an old style Fein Turbo III that must be 10 years old! Both are still going strong noo issue with the auto start at all.
I'm not looking to start a war here, Festool vacs are only special in the respect that they are designed to work with their entire range of tools when plugged into them. The electronics throttle themselves to keep everything within 20 amps.
Porter Cable's vacs don't do that and neither did Wap's. Pretty sure most of Karcher's don't either. I'm not sure on Metabo and Bosch's offerings.
This may not be of significance when using a vecturo, sander, or domino ; but when a track saw, of2200 or kapex is plugged in you can bet it does. Especially when you're hogging off a lot of wood with them.
Don't get me wrong, CTs haven't hung the moon, I've still got an older Fein from the early 90's along with several CTs and a Porter Cable. A Kapex feed through that PC vac will work for all of a millisecond before frying the electronic. I've personally blown the electronic in a WAP and the PC by plugging in a mitre saw to them.
Porter Cable's vacs don't do that and neither did Wap's. Pretty sure most of Karcher's don't either. I'm not sure on Metabo and Bosch's offerings.
This may not be of significance when using a vecturo, sander, or domino ; but when a track saw, of2200 or kapex is plugged in you can bet it does. Especially when you're hogging off a lot of wood with them.
Don't get me wrong, CTs haven't hung the moon, I've still got an older Fein from the early 90's along with several CTs and a Porter Cable. A Kapex feed through that PC vac will work for all of a millisecond before frying the electronic. I've personally blown the electronic in a WAP and the PC by plugging in a mitre saw to them.
Another vote for the 350q. One of the blades I discovered a few years ago is the flexible blade for cutting out silicone. I know everyone has a method to get this job done but I find it very quick and easy with that blade. Only downside is marking plastic baths or showers, you might need a little polishing with an RO150/90 or similar if you mark the plastic.
It's a big step up from the 250 I've had for years and the sanding disc is quite powerful in a pinch, sometimes saves a trip to the van. Generally it's not a tool I use a lot, but it's the only tool that will quickly do one job. Another point I picked up on is the depth cutting foot that Fein make allows you to move the cutter head more naturally when plunging, the Festool on is typically well engineered and rigid but doesn't allow you to compensate for the natural cutting action of the tool.
It's a big step up from the 250 I've had for years and the sanding disc is quite powerful in a pinch, sometimes saves a trip to the van. Generally it's not a tool I use a lot, but it's the only tool that will quickly do one job. Another point I picked up on is the depth cutting foot that Fein make allows you to move the cutter head more naturally when plunging, the Festool on is typically well engineered and rigid but doesn't allow you to compensate for the natural cutting action of the tool.
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As I don't work in a workshop multitools are generally a tool I'm getting out to do awkward five minute jobs in semi inaccessible locations, consequently any multitool thats not cordless is a complete waste of time.
Feins offering looks waaaay better than Festools, The single reason it looks better to me is because its cordless.
Feins offering looks waaaay better than Festools, The single reason it looks better to me is because its cordless.
Fein invented the oscillating tool and still gets the best marks in all the reviews I've seen. I just ordered a 350Q. The 350 QSL came out since this thread started and is probably nice but the Q is $40 cheaper and will use both new and old style blades. Everything except the blade chuck is the same for the Q and QSL.
I think HEPA filters are important for shop vacs. Mine is not a HEPA rated filter but is made of the same fabric as filters that are HEPA rated. Maybe that was his point. But you need fine filtering on DCs and shop vacs. If you have coarse filters it will help you not sweep up but it will also blow the fine dust that could hurt you up in the air for you to breathe. Better to sweep than risk getting sick. For me it is fine filters or no vacuum.
I think HEPA filters are important for shop vacs. Mine is not a HEPA rated filter but is made of the same fabric as filters that are HEPA rated. Maybe that was his point. But you need fine filtering on DCs and shop vacs. If you have coarse filters it will help you not sweep up but it will also blow the fine dust that could hurt you up in the air for you to breathe. Better to sweep than risk getting sick. For me it is fine filters or no vacuum.
jamanjeval said:
I would question that through personal experience. I tried cutting some 3x2 CLS with an identical blade using a Fein MM350 and a Bosch green multitool. The Bosch really struggled and the Fein was like a knife through butter.
On the subject of blades, does anyone in the UK use Saxton Blades?http://www.saxtonblades.co.uk/
I have used them for a while now and they aren't as good as Fein originals but at around £3 per blade or less I find them to be better value.
