Festool CTL MINI???

[jonny round boy]

[doh]

Well spotted Alex!

You are (of course) quite right, am I'm wrong (again!). I've looked at that page several times since the website was re-done, and I've always seen the same thing. Seems odd that they should put the pneumatic as the default version on the list, though.

Humble pie never tasted so good!!! [eek]

 

[woodguy7]

Well done Jonny, took it like a man 

I have the new 26 & think it is fantastic & i have an extra socket & "y" connector so i can run 2 tools without unpluging all the time.  I usually have the Kapex in with the 36mm hose + whatever power tool i need at the time on the 27mm hose.  This is an option you dont have with the Mini or Midi.

Worth considering.  Nice to see another Scott on here, we are a bit thin on the ground  [smile]

Woodguy.

 

[AlexThePalex]

Seems odd that they should put the pneumatic as the default version on the list, though.

Very odd indeed and that's confusing. Dunno why they would do that. It isn't even alphabetically so that can't be the excuse either. You'd expect to see the standard CTL's in a row. And I don't think it the best for Festool either because if people now compare the price between the 26 and the 36 on the UK website they'll be instantly put off by the 36 making the exact same mistake. I think this happened to a lot of people already. 

 

[grobin]

Well that's better but still nearly 5x the US price difference.  And you folks make a good point the 36 will be heaver and is a bit bigger.  It strikes me as odd that Festool really only makes 2 CTs the litle mini/midi and the big 26/36.  I mostly use mine around the shop but if I did more installs the size and weight would be a bigger consideration.

 

[AlexThePalex]

It strikes me as odd that Festool really only makes 2 CTs the litle mini/midi and the big 26/36.  

They make a lot more vacs, it's just that most aren't available in the states. Over here in Europe there's quite a number of different vacs on offer.

CTL Mini & CTL Midi

CTL26 & CTL36
CTL44 & CTL55 (The 4 big CTL vacs are also available as CTM versions: different dust class.)

SRM45 & SRM45 Planex
SRM70/B1
SRH45

And Festool doesn't really make their vacs, they're made by the companies Kranzle and Alto.

 

[Ken Nagrod]

It strikes me as odd that Festool really only makes 2 CTs the litle mini/midi and the big 26/36.  

They make a lot more vacs, it's just that most aren't available in the states. Over here in Europe there's quite a number of different vacs on offer.

CTL Mini & CTL Midi

CTL26 & CTL36
CTL44 & CTL55 (The 4 big CTL vacs are also available as CTM versions: different dust class.)

SRM45 & SRM45 Planex
SRM70/B1
SRH45

And Festool doesn't really make their vacs, they're made by the companies Kranzle and Alto.

I don't think that's the case with the CT26 and 36.  I believe Festool is making them, but hopefully Shane or Christian sees this and gives us the final word.

The Planex and as it's known by you, the SRM45 CT with Auto Clean are arriving here around the fall 2011.  Don't know if the model designation will stay the same like the CT's have slightly different designations in other parts of the world.

 

[jonny round boy]

I don't think that's the case with the CT26 and 36.  I believe Festool is making them, but hopefully Shane or Christian sees this and gives us the final word.

I think that's correct. The CT26/36 are designed & made by Festool themselves, as far as I'm aware.

The Planex and as it's known by you, the SRM45 are arriving here around the fall 2011.

Ken,

Where did you hear that? I've not read that anywhere on the FOG before. I'm beginning to think you have a secret source somewhere (as opposed to a secret sauce.....)

 

[Ken Nagrod]

The Planex and as it's known by you, the SRM45 are arriving here around the fall 2011.

Ken,

Where did you hear that? I've not read that anywhere on the FOG before. I'm beginning to think you have a secret source somewhere (as opposed to a secret sauce.....)

It's a combination of my alternate personality's psychic ability, a good set of tarot cards, New Jersey water and new batteries for my crystal ball.  Sorry, but the sauce is still secret.

Ok, so it seems that I've let the cat out of the bag, but, Festool I guess feels it's far enough along that there's no need for me to keep it under wraps.  Keep in mind that there may be delays with the introduction just like the other tools being introduced in 2011, so nothing is set in stone.

Now back to the sauce...

 

[nickao]

So in other words no one knows when its coming, not even Festool. 

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

For clarification, Festool does make the CT MINI/MIDI/22/33/26/36 models. They are not made by other companies. The Planex may show up in the US market later this year. There are no plans for the SRM to be added to the model line up in the US market.

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Thanks Shane.  Corrected above.

 

[AlexThePalex]

This discussion has been here before on this board in this thread

This is what Christian Oltzscher had to say about the matter:

The CT dust extractors were developed by TTS (the parent company of Festool) and Kraenzle Cleantec and are manufactured by Kraenzle Cleantec. Since
2008 Kraenzle Cleantec is fully owned by TTS and renamed in TTS Cleantec. Kraenzle itself remains an independent company, developing, manufacturing
and selling high pressure cleaners and sweepers.

Christian

Since the CTL 11, 22, 33, 44, 55 were already developed before the year 2000 (you can still find them with the name FESTO on them) you can rest assured they were mainly developed by Kranzle engineers, undoubtedly with TTS's engineering and marketing departments keeping a watchful eye over the process. Kranzle is the dedicated cleaning company after all.

As I believe it was Michael_MA who explained in another thread that Festool is located in sort of a "Silicon Valley" for power tools in Germany, where many tool manufacturers are located very closely to each other, you can rest assured there are many co-operations and joint ventures among them. One of the most common things with tool companies is to get their vacuums from dedicated vacuum cleaner manufacturers. The biggest companies I know about who do this are Starmix and Nilfisk-Alto. A lot of power tool brands get their vacs from those two companies.

For instance Starmix delivers vacs for Hitachi, Bosch, Metabo, AEG and many more. This is the most common vac out there.

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And Festool simply did this too. As far as I know a lot of their vacs under the Festo name in the 90's came from Alto. Some, like the SRM and SRH models still do. Then when the CTL 11 to 55 models came they switched to Kranzle.    

Here you can see the CTL22 and 33 as the Kranzle models Ventos 25 and 35.

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But now of course Kranzle is also part of the TTS family, so now Festool, or should I say TTS, can say they make their own vacs.

 

[jmbfestool]

Umm interesting!

I prefer green  [tongue]

jmb

 

[Ken Nagrod]

As I believe it was Michael_MA who explained in another thread that Festool is located in sort of a "Silicon Valley" for power tools in Germany, where many tool manufacturers are located very closely to each other, you can rest assured there are many co-operations and joint ventures among them. One of the most common things with tool companies is to get their vacuums from dedicated vacuum cleaner manufacturers. The biggest companies I know about who do this are Starmix and Nilfisk-Alto. A lot of power tool brands get their vacs from those two companies.

For instance Starmix delivers vacs for Hitachi, Bosch, Metabo, AEG and many more. This is the most common vac out there.

And Festool simply did this too. As far as I know a lot of their vacs under the Festo name in the 90's came from Alto. Some, like the SRM and SRH models still do. Then when the CTL 11 to 55 models came they switched to Kranzle.   

I don't really know who made what, when.  To me it doesn't really matter, to others it might.  I just wanted to point out the quote by Alex, I believe quoting Michael.  I think it's great how companys in Germany and Japan work together for the greater good.  It used to be like that in the U.S. MANY years ago.  The customer benefits and products get better, faster because of it.  This does not affect competition in a free market, so don't use that as an excuse for our methods.  We're just economically challenged by the stupid choices we make at the corporate and personal level.

Maybe there is a correlation between rambling and hunger?  [smile]