Festool LEYSYS-FT1 spirit level

[mino]

The rails aren't sold in most of Festool's target area, so that cancels out that addition, leaving all the negatives.

Load of people don’t use the height combinations and don’t care about the side card slots either. So that cancels them out too..  [big grin] [big grin]

Sigh…

The problem with people in forums is that they think of themselves as the majority of people using the products or services discussed. The reality is different.

Bott already had those boxes before Festool integrated them into their ‘system’ The height makes perfect sense from Bott’s perspective as the holes in the racking are 50mm apart. This gives enough gap above each Systainer to lift and slide it out, while maximizing how many Systainers fit in the rack. For shop owners that don’t want/need to spend $50 on a slide now have an option for $10 slide. To say that nobody needs that is ignorant.

Apologies, but quoting a post explaining that one cannot buy any rails in Europe, the main Festool market, and arguing about the rails being cheaper ..
[crying]

Cleary Festool knew that Bott racking will be introduced to the US market. So for everyone that actually makes money with those tools it’s an amazing system. You can use Tlocs with the racks, but it’s cumbersome and space inefficient.

Well, as far as is understoof by now, Festool is allowed to sell the rails in the US because Bott is NOT present there.

Any market Bott is active in, the rails are NOT available from Festool and only from Bott who refuses to sell them without you buying a van from them ..  I hope you now understand the absurdity of the whole situation.

And that is all just a strawman anyway. The rails presence/not has nothing to do with the SYS3 available heights thing. None, Nada, Nothing!
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The problem is the SYS3 adopted a heights non-system which is a "killing" feature as oppossed to a "killer" one.
I.e. it makes the WHOLE systainers OFFERING unusable for a group of use cases and workflows. And these are the exact use cases and workflows the whole Systainer product was sold on to the customers for almost three decades. This means people build their whole workshops adoung that concept and TRUSTED Festo/TTS to not mess up.

If you think people complaining are "Festool haters" or anything of the sort which deserve to be marginalized, well I have some news for you. People complain about such things because the CARE for the company as it made a lot of great products they like. One annoys one's own brand evangelists at one's own peril.

Howgh.

 

[woodbutcherbower]

Recip blades? Why for heaven’s sake would I need storage for those? Why has that FedEx truck just pulled up outside?

Oh.

Wait …..

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OOOh, nice! Does that work with the Nuron batteries?

Thankyou  [smile] No - the Nuron stuff uses different motors and the two platforms aren’t interchangeable. This one uses the standard B22 5.2Ah and 8.0Ah 22-volt batteries I already have for all my other Hilti cordless kit. You can see on the photo that the saw’s new and the battery isn’t. This is one of those tools which I’ve never needed before - it’s been bought for one specific job which I might end up writing about in the ‘Member Projects’ section at some point.

 

[peter halle]

[member=61254]mino[/member] ,  I'm not going to step into the fray, but Bott is available in North America at this time.  https://www.systainersystems.com

On their website their location is listed as the same address as Festool USA.

Peter

 

[mino]

[member=61254]mino[/member] ,  I'm not going to step into the fray, but Bott is available in North America at this time.  https://www.systainersystems.com

On their website their location is listed as the same address as Festool USA.

Peter

Thanks, that may explain things .. me smell a marriage behind all this, be it literal or corporate.
[wink]

 

[Coen]

They should renegotiate that marriage to allow Festool to sell the rails in Europe

 

[jeh]

Peter can you get this thread back in order focusing on the level and not the Systainer height "issues" some people have.

 

[peter halle]

As requested, how about we stick to talking about the spirit level and leave the other discussions about sizes and Bott and ... for other threads.  Please.

Thank you.

Peter

 

[memtew]

Just ordered this spirit level from Poland, now it's on the way  [smile]

 

[jeh]

Just ordered this spirit level from Poland, now it's on the way  [smile]

How much?

 

[squall_line]

Just ordered this spirit level from Poland, now it's on the way  [smile]

How much?

Looks like it's in the range of 55 Euro to 60-ish GBP.

 

[kevin clifford]

But where can we buy the new level? I looked on Festool USA website and don't see it.

 

[squall_line]

But where can we buy the new level? I looked on Festool USA website and don't see it.

Europe only at this time.

 

[memtew]

Just ordered this spirit level from Poland, now it's on the way  [smile]

How much?

About 110$ with shipping.

 

[mino]

OK, some on topic.

Unfortunately I guess this is a pass for a completely different reason - it is rated at ±1,0 mm/m error which is pretty bad for a level these days. Festool really missed an opportunity here.

Basic levels over here are ±0.5mm/m and the good ones go ±0.3mm/m for €30+ ish. Almost as if it was a "fan merchandise" item and not meant as a real tool to use.
[sad]

Add:
And the reference side of the level is also not flat but is composed of a big V-groove, making the practical precision achievable even more of an issue.

At this point I really do not understand this one.
It is priced as a premium product yet the specs are lackluster at best unusable at worst. For €20 it could be a funky gimmick ruler with a built-in basic level. At €60 this is just a bad bad move by Festool vis-a-vis their brand value.

 

[Coen]

Why does it look like a solid piece of alu that was roughly chopped off at the end?

 

[Cheese]

Why does it look like a solid piece of alu that was roughly chopped off at the end?

Ya, not exactly the best machined surface...er...not even the best gnawed off surface, looks like beavers were in the shop. The machining does raise questions but the quoted specifications solidified my decision to not purchase this item.

The Stabila levels I own are twice as accurate as this item. I located a vendor offering this item in Poland and almost pulled the pin on this level until I looked at the specs...not bad...but in this day & age not great, especially for the price. This should be a $20 offering which one could use in a pinch...heavy on the pinch part. It's better than eye-balling but definitely not for critical positioning.

Unfortunately for Festool, it's a pox on them for underwriting this manufacturer. Their Stabila product endorsement 9 years ago was a bonus round, this one...not so much. It rather reminds me of the current Festool/Bott debacle.

What happened to that thread...I need to complain about those goofy SYS 3 Systainers.  [poke] [poke]

 

[Mini Me]

And the Sys height topic takes over yet another thread.  [sad]

A casual reader of this thread could not be blamed if he or she thought the only reason to buy a Festool anything was not the tool but the systainer.

 

[mino]

And the Sys height topic takes over yet another thread.  [sad]

A casual reader of this thread could not be blamed if he or she thought the only reason to buy a Festool anything was not the tool but the systainer.

Well, a thread about a new Systainer accessory .. enabled by the un-ergonomic straight handle design of the SYS3 .. talks .. about the SYS3 Systainers!

Who ẃould have imagined people discuss the thread topic, not to mentione it coming from a known SYS3 advocate and augmented by an immediate troll-post from [member=6145]Holzhacker[/member] ..
/s

There is a saying that one shall ignore the internet trolls. Older saying that for The Evil to prevail The Good only need to stay quiet.
Everyone can pick the preferred one.
[smile]

/OT

 

[Coen]

You beat me to it, [member=61254]mino[/member]. Had they stuck to the nice handle of the previous generation, they could not have created this abomination.

I do have to say it's nice of them to include the scale. But sadly, it's only usable on one side, because somehow they did imperial on the other side, even while they aren't selling it in the single place that uses those outdated units.

Also, it's side isn't flat (see the green thingy). I don't know if that is present on both sides, as there seems to be only ONE picture available. If so, that prevents it from being used on it's side, making it harder to adjust stuff by just putting the level on it's side to level things in both directions.

 

[Spandex]

There is a saying that one shall ignore the internet trolls. Older saying that for The Evil to prevail The Good only need to stay quiet.
Everyone can pick the preferred one.

There is, of course, a danger that the people who post the same complaints over and over in every thread related to systainers (and sometimes threads not related to systainers) could be seen as the trolls.

Why not just start a thread about the problems with the new systainers and cover everything there? What do you think you're gaining by duplicating it across multiple threads? Despite your opinions on the intelligence of the people running Festool these days, I don't think you're going to trick them into thinking there have been thousands of complaints, just because the same handful of people complained thousands of times.