Festool LR32, how-To

Dave Ronyak said:
Brice,

Great photo!  It shows metal to metal contact exactly where I was trying to describe.  A couple of short pieces cut from adhesive backed PE tape fixed that contact for me.  I've got to try and see if I can mount my Domino on that base and use it with the LR32.

Dave R.

Dave, I bet you could mount the Domino to the LR32 easily. Put the Support Bracket on your Domino and drill through it and the LR32 base, bolt them together, piece of cake.

And John, glad you liked the video.
Brice Burrell

PS Link to my new thread LR32: Jig, clamps and other ideas.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=694.0
 
I am looking for tips in using an LR 32 (the short hole drilling guide rail) with my 1400 router to drill 5 rows of shelf support holes on each side of a large storage cabinet.  Each side is 3/4" ply x 25 1/2"W x 82"H.  I want these rows to extend nearly the entire height of the side pieces, and none of the rows are the standard set back distance from the front or back edge of the side pieces.  How do I do that accurately given that my guide rail is far too short to extend the needed length, and any previously drilled row of holes are offset relative to the rubber edge of the guide rail?  Even referencing ~half of the holes from the bottom edge and the other ~half from the top edge of a side panel does not enable completion of the center portion of the row.  These holes are intended to fit and fully support the HD (200 - 250 lb rated) slides I purchased from Lee Valley.

Does anyone have any suggestions for marking/layout of centerlines that will be exactly straight and properly spaced.  I used a slide as a template for marking the centers of the 5 holes needed to support the slide along its length, and did that at three different locations spaced along the height of the side piece.  But I don't have any straight edge that is precise enough.  I joined together a pair of Festool guide rails and checked and rechecked them with a new precision 4 foot level and with yet another Festool guide rail, but am not confident they are truly straight since my eyes aren't what they used to be.  I was thinking that a string or wire drawn tight might be the most accurate way to ensure the rows are properly spaced, then using a precision caliper/depth gauge to set the guide rail relative to the tight string or wire.

Has anyone come up with a solution to a drilling (routing) task like this?

By the way, the Festool 5mm hole drilling bit works excellently  - very clean holes and no burning of the wood whatsoever in contrast to my earlier experiments using a double-fluted straight router bit.

Dave R.
 
Dave,
I"ll reply with a full answer a little later when I have more time, but first, is buying the longer rail out of the question?
 
  Alright Dave here are some of my thoughts. The hardest thing is going to be getting the rows spaced accurately so your holes line up with the glides, but you already know this. What I do is forgo the inner system holes, I just drill the first and last holes. I drill first row set at 37 mm, since that is the standard. Next, set the side stops/rail to drill the last row (the rearmost row) and drill this row and thats it. When its time to install the glides I use the two holes to align the glide, then use a vix bit (self centering bit)to drill the other holes. I do it this because it is too time consuming (read too expensive) to make the five rows line up perfectly, every time. The reason my customers like adjustable drawers is that they like to choose where they want the drawers to when they see the unit installed. I like them because I don't have to try to make a change on site nearly much.

  Now for using the 32" rail on a 82" side panel. I'm going to give away a secret, OK not really a secret, but it was going to be one of my tip on my upcoming "Tips" section for my website. Attach another guide rail (without the holes) to the LR32 rail, then carefully align as the rails as you normally would. With another rail attached you can clamp the far end down too. When you get to the middle, you can't use the end stop to index the rail any more. I place the rail, with the side stops on, on the work piece, then the router/baseplate on. Carefully (with the router turned off) plunge the bit into the last hole you drilled, this will align the 32 mm offset. Since you are going to need to join three rail to be able to clamp the rails down on both ends.

  Let me know if this make sense. Good luck.
 
  Well, I couldn't help myself, heres a pic if it helps.
lr32join.jpg


  A couple thing to help make the last post more clear. When I join the two rails, I don't worry to much about how straight they are. This is because I place rails using the side stops, the second rail to just to clamp the far end down.

Also, I said:
Now for using the 32" rail on a 82" side panel. I'm going to give away a secret, OK not really a secret, but it was going to be one of my tip on my upcoming "Tips" section for my website. Attach another guide rail (without the holes) to the LR32 rail, then carefully align as the rails as you normally would. With another rail attached you can clamp the far end down too.

  I shouldn't have said "as you normally would", because you will only have one end stop on the LR32 rail. Note in the picture that the end stop is remove on the end of the LR32 rail where the two rails meet. By normal, I meant using the side stops to align or index the rails.
 
Thanks, very  much, Brice!   Your tip for using the router bit to position the LR32 rail is excellent, as is that of drilling only the front and rear rows of holes and using the slide and a vix bit to drill any others once is it decided at what height the drawers are to be.  For the first side in which I drilled shelf holes, I did join the rails together and held the ends in position with a combination of a Festool clamp at one end and spring clamp or two at the other.  But instead of using the stops to position the rail, I drew pencil lines using a 4 ft level (one that I know to be rather straight) or the joined Festool rails as my straight edge.   When I think more about my technique, I realize my errors may be due to using 3 positionings of slides along the height dimension, with each being referenced relative to the back edge of the cabinet which edges have the factory cut, which may not be truly straight.  And two points define a straight line, 3 points may or may not.  My middle and topmost center points for the rearmost row of holes define a very slightly different straight line than my bottom and middle points!  I am about to go and try laying out and drilling the holes for the second side.

Last night I drilled the holes for the other side of the large cabinet using much of the technique contributed by Brice.  I also too extra care in joining the guide rails to ensure they were straight, and used one of the drawer slides as my template for marking the relative location of the 5 rows of holes.  After drill all 5 rows of holes indexed off the bottom of the cabinet, I switched the positions of the "holed" guide rail and the non-holed guide rail.  Before drilling any more holes I confirmed the front-to-back alignment of the guide rails by postioning my router on the non-holed guide rail and tweaking the position of the rail until the router bit could be plunged perfectly into a previously drilled hole.  (Obviously, all this was done with no power to the router!)  I checked the holes against my drawer slide template when I was finished, and the registration was quite good, noticeably better than the first cabinet side.  I glued the cabinet box together this evening using eleven 5 mm dominos per joint plus stopped rabbet and dados (which I should have skipped).  Using the router bit with the router on the guide rail is much more accurate than using a 0.5mm lead pencil and digital caliper/depth gauge, at least for me.

While working on this, I thought of one more idea that I will probably try the next time I want to use the hole drilling jig, and maybe before for use with the TS 55 or router on the guide rails.  I am thinking of making a simple extension device to use with the side stops.  One possibility is making for each side stop a simple clamp that can grip the end of the metal indexing rods provided with the side stop, and also grip a length on dowel having an OD sized and shaped similar to that of the metal rods.  A pair of wooden clamp jaws with a hex or V-groove should work.  Another stop that can be fixed at any chosen distance from the guide rail end of the stop would complete the extended side stops.  This setup could be added and removed without disturbing the "zero" setup of the side stops that is necessary to do before using them the first time with the hole drilling jig.  If I made a pair of hexagonal rods, I could use the factory stops.  I should be able to do that using a jointer followed by a thickness planer.

Those who have sources for metal rods and metal working skills should be able to fashion some extended hexagonal rods from aluminum.  I note the factory index rods are large enough in cross-section that they could be drilled and tapped in their ends to enable adding extensions.

Dave R.
 
;D

I set out to try my LR32 system at the weekend only to find that Festool had changed the collet from the 8mm to the 6mm so couldn't experiment, I've got the melamine sitting there waiting to be turned into bathroom cabinets, patiently.

A question for you experienced guys, could you not use the supports for the guide rail as used for the 55 plunge saw to hold the rail in position when using the LR32 system instead of having to clamp the rail? - does this make sense to anyone?

phill
 
phill-k said:
...only to find that Festool had changed the collet from the 8mm to the 6mm so couldn't experiment...

Are you talking about the centering mandrel that comes with the LR32 guide plate?  I don't understand.

The routers come with both 8mm and 1/4 inch collets.

Again, I'm not getting it.  Please explain more.

Ned

 
phill-k said:
... could you not use the supports for the guide rail as used for the 55 plunge saw to hold the rail in position when using the LR32 system instead of having to clamp the rail?

Whoops, was in the middle of a reply when my computer crashed.  Anyway, in short, yes.  I use incra track for a fence on my MFT so your setup may vary, but rather than attempt to adjust the LR32 rail fore/aft in the guide rail bracket, I insert the stop and position my fence to align with that position.  The new MFT3's fence should work well for this -- until then you could use something else for a temporary fence for these setups.  Hope this helps.
 
Are you talking about the centering mandrel that comes with the LR32 guide plate?  I don't understand.

The routers come with both 8mm and 1/4 inch collets.

Again, I'm not getting it.  Please explain more.

Ned

Apparently in NZ they don't sell their own router bits (to pricey) so they swap the 8mm for the 6mm collet (NZ standard) even though every piece of gear made by Festool and available in NZ including the LR32 needs the 8mm collet
 
Hi,

   So if I was going to use the LR32 to bore the hinge cabinet holes, and they are hinges that use 5mm screws. Would that simply mean adding two more 5mm holes at the location for the hinge? In the same row as the shelf pin holes as long as the shelf pin row is set to the offset for the hinge in use?

    Also  you say the LR32 is designed for full overlay doors. Will it work for inset doors with out a lot of tinkering?

      And on a side note- do most Euro hinges have a model number on them somewhere?

Seth
 
Seth, the LR32 was very well with full overlay doors, but that's not all it can do. Yes, it can be used for inset doors, you do have to get the setbacks right, work it out on scrap first. In you are using the standard 37 mm setback then yes you can drill two extra holes for each hinge plate. Some companies do put part numbers on the hinges and some don't. I like Blum hinges, go the their website and request a catalog. They'll send you a binder for of great info to help sort things out.
 
Seth,

In that age old thread I started (http://festoolownersgroup.com/index.php?topic=452.0) I explain how to drill the gables with shelf pin holes and base plates at the same time.

Mirko
 
Hi,

  Thanks for the replies.  I requested a catalog from Blum.

  Mirko , I knew there was another LR 32 thread but I couldn't seem to track it down. Thanks for your link.

Seth
 
Seth,

      Mirko's write up is excellent and it's a very good process.  Just keep in mind it requires that you size your panels in 32mm increments accurately.  No big deal and it's what we should be doing anyway.  Now get yourself the Blum Ecodrill to bore the holes in the doors.  You can find it cheaper.  It's $275 at my supplier, makes festool look cheap for what you get but it works well and is very easy to use correctly.

Chris...
 
Hope I haven't already posted this elsewhere - I'm intersted in this setup, but am not able to find cutters for support sleeve holes. Anyone know where I can get, say, a 7.5mm bit with an 8mm shank? (I've found them with 10mm shanks, but it seems those are for line boring machines...not much call for them in hand routers, it seems.

Thanks...
 
Looks like you are up the creek without a paddle. ;D How about using these with a 7/32" dia x 1/4" shank carbide bit? Whiteside sells 'em.
 
I'm trying to drill a series of holes on a cabinet 84 inches long.  I don't have the long LR32 rail.  I see others have had the same problem.  I've read Brice's solution above,  Chris Mercado's tip here (reply #25).  The difference in my situation here is my cabinets are only 12" deep.  Brice's and Chris's are better suited for wider cabs.  Does anyone have any experience making holes using the short rail on shallow cabinets? 
 
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