Festool new $99 sander

[nickao]

It depends on what size festool hose that new connect end is made for.

The Feins vacs come with a 35or36mm hose(at least the 6 Feins I own did(the Fein hoses I have are silver/grey color hose with black hard plastic ends), not a little 27 mm hose that generally comes with the Festool sanders. The Fein, the Bosch and the  Festool 35 and 36mm hoses, the ends are all interchangeable..

If that new connector that comes with the new Festool Pro 5 sander is for a Festool 27mm hose than no its not going to fit the standard Feins hose, which again fits 35 and 36 mm fittings.

I slipped a Bosch and Festool 35 and 36mm respectively ends right on my stock Fein hose just a minute ago to prove it. By the way the 35mm Blue AS Bosch hose is the best of the bunch for sure.

 

[Brice Burrell]

It depends on what size festool hose that new connect end is made for.

The Feins vacs come with a 35mm hose, not a little 27 mm. The Fein, the Festool and the bosch 35 and 36mm hoses, the ends are all interchangeable..

If that new connector that comes with the new Festool Pro 5 sander is for a Festool 27mm hose than no its not going to fit the standard Feins hose, which again fits 35 and 36 mm fittings.

I slipped a Bosch and Festool 35 and 36mm ends right on my stock Fein hose just a minute ago to prove it.

The sanders only take D27 hose ends, and the bayonet-style locking hose end that is included free with new tools is for the D27 hose.

I have a 35mm Bosch hose with a Festool D36 hose end, fits perfectly. 

 

[nickao]

Love those Bosch 35mm hoses, my favorite. Hopefully Festool makes an adapter for the new bayonet-style locking hose system for the 35mm(36mm Festool calls them), hose in the future.

I am trying to get rid of all my 27mm hoses, I just don't like them. They are nice for fine sanding, but when I switch tools over to the OF2200 or heavy Rotex Sanding or Tracksaw cutting that 27mm hose doesn't cut it. I hate that my expensive Festool sleeved hose are 27mm and within the sleeve about 6 feet from the sander they connect a 22mm to go to the tool, it make me crazy they did such a thing for a 365.00 hose.

 

[ChuckM]

I use this kind of hose from Lowe's for my Kapex and Domino with the Dust Deputy:
http://www.lowes.com/pd/Aqua-EZ-36-ft-Vacuum-Hose/1000899

Non-static though.

Chuck

 

[McNally Family]

I think I understand now. I was wondering if new CT extractors come with this locking port, but since you can buy the connector, it's not a big deal. Thank you very much, and sorry to make you repeat yourself so much today

Matt, you won't have to buy a new hose connector.  New tools (with the new bayonet-style locking hose port) come with the new hose connector included free with the tool.

Checking on Festoolproducts.com, the only new sander that is including the new hose retrofit connector is the Festool 201234 "PRO 5 LTD" ETS 125 REQ Random Orbital Sander.  The other two, Festool 201228 DTS 400 REQ Orbital Sander, and Festool 201221 RTS 400 REQ Orbital Sander, don't (or at least it is not listed as being included).  So it seems in order to get the  Clean-Tec bayonet-style dust port to retrofit older hoses for free, you need to order this model first.  Of course, all three have the new " locking dust port" itself.

Looking at the information insert found on the inside of the promotional dark blue Systainer, it appears Festool is promoting the idea of owning all three of the new sanders, as a sanding system.  Buying the promotional version first, not only retrofits your existing 27mm hose for all future new tool releases, but eliminates the need to include them in the other two new sanders, not on sale  (once on the product page, use zoom to see clearly the included insert in the lid of the Systainer).
http://www.festoolproducts.com/fest...-pro-5-ets-125-req-random-orbital-sander.html

Festool may be hoping the $50.00 voucher included with the promotional sander, will then be used to pick up your next sander of the series (it would knock the price down to $210.00 on either additional version).  Honestly, it may not be a bad idea to own all three eventually.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Checking on Festoolproducts.com, the only new sander that is including the new hose retrofit connector is the Festool 201234 "PRO 5 LTD" ETS 125 REQ Random Orbital Sander.  The other two, Festool 201228 DTS 400 REQ Orbital Sander, and Festool 201221 RTS 400 REQ Orbital Sander, don't (or at least it is not listed as being included).  So it seems in order to get the  Clean-Tec bayonet-style dust port to retrofit older hoses for free, you need to order this model first.  Of course, all three have the new " locking dust port" itself.

Looking at the information insert found on the inside of the promotional dark blue Systainer, it appears Festool is promoting the idea of owning all three of the new sanders, as a sanding system.  Buying the promotional version first, not only retrofits your existing 27mm hose for all future new tool releases, but eliminates the need to include them in the other two new sanders, not on sale  (once on the product page, use zoom to see clearly the included insert in the lid of the Systainer).
http://www.festoolproducts.com/fest...-pro-5-ets-125-req-random-orbital-sander.html

Festal may be hoping the $50.00 voucher included with the promotional sander, will then be used to pick up your next sander of the series (it would knock the price down to $210.00 on either additional version).  Honestly, it may not be a bad idea to own all three eventually.

The HK saws have the new bayonet-style dust port.  My HKC included a free bayonet-style dust port retrofit connector, and it was not listed in the product description.  I'd guess all new with a bayonet-style dust port will come with a free retrofit connector, at least for the immediate future. 

 

[leakyroof]

Love those Bosch 35mm hoses, my favorite. Hopefully Festool makes an adapter for the new bayonet-style locking hose system for the 35mm(36mm Festool calls them), hose in the future.

I am trying to get rid of all my 27mm hoses, I just don't like them. They are nice for fine sanding, but when I switch tools over to the OF2200 or heavy Rotex Sanding or Tracksaw cutting that 27mm hose doesn't cut it. I hate that my expensive Festool sleeved hose are 36mm and within the sleeve about 6 feet from the sander they connect a 27mm to go to the tool, it make me crazy they did such a thing for a 365.00 hose.

  Whatttttttt????  I've never had an issue with standard 27mm/ stock length or the extended Sleeved version hose either for sanding with any sander... What are you running into.  I've gotten my Rotex 150 into long sanding sessions and never had a clogged 27m hose?  [huh] [huh] [huh]
Larger chip output like a Router or other similar application, I'll switch to the 36mm hose.
As for the Sleeved hose, they probably were trying to keep the hose light in weight, and flexible enough since that sleeve material does add weight to the hose along with the enclosed power cord.

 

[nickao]

Sorry its a 27mm that reduce to a 22mm hose within the sleeve.

I never said I got a clog, I said the performance reduction is noticeable.

I want one hose, I see no need for a 27mm at all. I mostly work at a table with an overhead hose, right now it a 27mmin a sleeve  hose at one table and another table that sleeved hose reduced to a paltry 22mm hose within the longer units. When I go to an OF 2200 how am I to change hoses? I have to mess mess with the entire set up changing out the hose on the boom arm? What a hassle. Just make am a 36mm in a sleeved hose from start.

I never had a time where the 27mm was better than the 36mm, and with the Bosch hose  being so nice a Festool 27mm flexibility doesn't make it any better for me.

For me I wish all my hose were just the 35/36mm, even for the sanders. I have I think 3 or 4 - 27mm hoses brand new sitting around that come with tools or Ct's that I rarely use, a few never ever used.

When Amazon had that sale on the AS Bosch 35m  hoses I bought three, now I rarely use any 27mm hose at all except for the sleeved Festool hoses that I paid so much for. I just cant put them away because of the cost. I was thinking of forcing a 35mm Bosch hose in the Festool sleeve and selling the hoses within the sleeves, I still having tried it to see if I could fit them in, I don't think I can.

I might keep the real long Festool sleeved hose for the rare occasion like yesterday where I go up a ladder and the collector is several feet away from the ladder. still I wish it were 35mm because once I came off the ladder and bent over to use it to clean up a bit of mess off the floor that darn 22 mm hose clogged right up so then I had to go grab another hose.If it just were a 36mm hose to start it would be a non issue. Had I realized that sleeved hose was 27 and then reduced to 22mm I never would have purchased it. I just never looked at the thing until a couple months after I bought it and I dint do my research on it. Darn thing constantly comes unzipped as well.

 

[TomE]

The 'silver' hose that came with my Fein is indeed larger than the 27mm Festool hose.
The ends do not interchange.

However, I did find that my Mirka MIN6519411 tapered hose will take the Festool end for the sanders. This hose fits my Fein and Festools vacs.

So if the new Festool sander comes with the adapter then all one would need to get is the Mirka hose and be up and running without cobbling together some misfit adapter.

 

[nickao]

Yeah the Fein hoses are 35/36mm size.

The 'silver' hose that came with my Fein is indeed larger than the 27mm Festool hose.
The ends do not interchange.

However, I did find that my Mirka MIN6519411 tapered hose will take the Festool end for the sanders. This hose fits my Fein and Festools vacs.

So if the new Festool sander comes with the adapter then all one would need to get is the Mirka hose and be up and running without cobbling together some misfit adapter.

Yeah the Fein hoses are 35/36mm size, I just took off the hard tool ends of the Fein hose and added a 36mm Festool end to the Fein hose. We cant use that new bayonet fitting on the Fein hose , we can still use the Fein hose with the new sander  if we add that 36mm Festool soft tool end to it(or the rubber Fein step done adapter end they sell).

As long as what I told was true and all the existing Festool soft ends work with the new sander all one needs if a Festool soft end on any size hose that it will fit on. We dont need to put the bayonet fitting on a hose at all.

 

[Michael Kellough]

The tapered hoses are very good when used with sanders.
Okay with the saws depending on material and type/depth of cut.
Not good with routers or planer.

I wouldn't want to use a 35mm hose with a little sander.
If you need 2 different hoses at the same workstation you could use a Y adapter and make a plug to shut off the hose that isn't needed.

 

[nickao]

To each his own for sure, but why not use a 35 mm hose with a sander? I don't get that at all? Its not a 50mm hose.

The Bosch 35mmm hose is a dream and I don't notice the 27mm hose being any simpler to handle. And using Rotex Sander when taking off mass material the 27mm, especially the 22mm hose end of the sleeved version, just aren't very good.

I don't need 4 size hose and I don't need any Y adapter to make an excuse for a smaller hose. I want a 35/36mm and a 50mm for the larger miter saws and that's it. That's what I will personally end up going to. My brother will get most all my extra 27mm hose.

I have two Pro 5 coming, those 27mm hose will be sold off to whoever wants them, I usually sell off my stuff here.

Some act like that 35mm hose is some huge hard to handle hose like a 50m hose is, but especially the Festool 36mm hose, after a while it gets so soft and easy to move I just don't get the rational of switch to the 27 mm after using say my track saw myself. I just leavce the 35/36mm on there. It must just be the type work or how I work that leads me to my preferences I guess.

I used Fein vacs long before the CT came to the US and those came with the 35/36mm hose as they still do. Boy what a dream when I used my first Fein, this was long before Festool became prevalent in the US with their dustless system. With that Fein I could sand in a persons living room years before a Festool was ever seen around here, it was fantastic.

I used the sanders for years with those Fein hoses. I never saw a 27mm until Festool became more popular here, that's probably why the 35/36mm hose doesn't bother me and why I prefer it. I thinks many Fein users may feel the same. The little 27mm and 22mm hose made me laugh the first time I saw them. I thought they looked so weak, thin and expensive, then I ended up with a bunch of them. I never fell for them though.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Rotex 150 in aggressive mode could be a bit much for the tapered hose but for all the other sanders I prefer less of a pigtail drag.

Have you tried the Mirka tapered hose?

Here is a review from the above link;

"All the info Tha Mirka doesn't talk about. This fits the Deros perfectly. The hose itself is 1" ID on the sander end and 1.25" ID on the vacuum end, with a permanently connected swiveling ShopVac sized connection. About 24-30 inches away from the sander the hose subtly changes from 1" to 1.25" inside diameter. It will connect to any Mirka or ShopVac etc vacuum. Four meters is the perfect length with the Deros power cord. It is (supposedly) antistatic, which is very expensive to make, hence the price. It is flexible enough and durable enough to make me pleased but I do wish it was more flexible."

One of the things that Mirka fails to mention is that the package includes a Festool type (original style) hose/tool end that screws onto the hose (less secure than how genuine Festool ends connect) and fits Festool tools perfectly.

The flow is better than the Festool tapered hose but not good enough for heavy routing.

 

[antss]

Dovetail - everyone has their preferences.  I'm as vehemently opposed to 36mm hoses as you are fond of them for 99% of our site work.  Just isn't necessary for us and the small dia. hoses get supple too and make them even more weildly.

The big advantage for us is portability.  You can get those 36mm hose into the ct garages or pack as compactly as the 27s !  That makes a big difference if you're changing worksites all the time.  Not a lot of call for boom arms on jobsites.  I do agree with you that the 36mm hose would be a good choice for a fixed base setup in a shop. 

I'm sure you'd cringe at the 19mm hose we use to get into cabinets on site with sanders.  [eek]. It moves plenty of air for that task.  Makes life a lot easier in there than with a 36mm hose no matter how broken in it is. It be next to worthless for the track saw or end of day cleanup.

Like I said , it's personal pref. You seem to value only carrying one hose, and I value ergonomics at the expense of carrying multiples. Interestingly enough I cut my teeth with a Fein R2D2 unit too. Used it for years until the CT22 came out. Started out with WAP , but it's tool trigger socket didn't support enough amperage to run miter saws and would constantly blow so it went back to the vendor for the Fein. Festo wasn't available in the U.S. at the time.

 

[bigdogmedia]

"Due to overwhelming demand, Festool has asked all dealers to suspend taking orders for the PRO 5 until further notice."

 

[ChuckM]

"Due to overwhelming demand, Festool has asked all dealers to suspend taking orders for the PRO 5 until further notice."

In the States only? Not the case in Canada here -- yet.

Felder, Ultimate Tools ... Lee Valley have not put any stop to the preorders and there is no limit either on how many you can get.

Chuck

 

[mouppe]

"Due to overwhelming demand, Festool has asked all dealers to suspend taking orders for the PRO 5 until further notice."

In the States only? Not the case in Canada here -- yet.

Felder, Ultimate Tools ... Lee Valley have not put any stop to the preorders and there is no limit either on how many you can get.

Chuck

There is a special note on the LeeValley order page stating:-

Due to the overwhelming response to this offer, the manufacturer has indicated that order requests may exceed its production capacity. While we continue to take pre-orders, there is a possibility that our order from the manufacturer may not meet our customer demand.

 

[ChuckM]

Saw it now, thanks. Perhaps, soon such notice would appear on the other Canadian dealers' sites. Ordered mine yesterday, phew!

Chuck

 

[Grsweets77]

They've put sales on hold unfortunately. I got my order in .....

 

[butzla]

I haven't been reading this forum much these days but found this thread and many others like it.  This deal was news to me.  Already having an ets125, silly me I had to buy this one too.  The stronger motor is appeals to me. 

Forgive me if this has already been covered here or in another thread because I haven't read them all, but won't this devaluate the used values of the old 125's?  ...and isn't anybody worried about it?