Festool TS55 vs Bosch GKT55

[Holmz]

If we were on the Bosch Forum then the concept of him being a troll would make more sense.

I was biting my tongue so hard ... [wink]

[member=40772]Holmz[/member]

Well I was thinking of [member=48770]Magpal[/member] - mainly because on SBS-on-Demand they had a movie called "Troll Hunter" and 70% of Norwegians believe in trolls... Which live in Norway.

Hope you tongue heals ok. I sense a lashing cometh.  [tongue]

 

[jonathan-m]

The angle was off using which rails? The Bosch/Mafell ones or the Festool ones?

 

[heiko1974]

The photo of the cut was make with the Bosch out of the box on Bosch rail, the reason was bad justage from factory.
When you have a correctly adjusted(for Bosch/Mafell rails) Mafell/Bosch saw and you will use it on a Festool rail, it tilt a little bit because it rest only on one glidestripe and cut at a wrong angle!

 

[Magpal]

You can cut square with the Bosch if you use a separate square instead of the stops that build in the saw! You can see the problem of the bending baseplate in the Bosch video, this causes the problem of geting a corect angle by the stops also! You have time consuming adjusting work if you want a good 90/45° cut!
The Mafell and the old TS55(also the new R-model since 2015) have two stops for each angel ans the Festool got a stiffer baseplate so you don´t have any problems with that!
If you using a Mafell or Bosch on a Festool guiderail it only reach over one of the two glidestripes so it tilts and you don´t get a 90° (or what ever angle you want) cut!
If you use a Festool rail with a Bosch or  Mafell saw the saw blade pivot point is lower than the edge of the rail, so the cut ist at 45° not at the railedge and you lose this feature.
I think we was 6 people at the german forum that got the Bosch for testing and nearly (?) everyone has adjust the saw because the stops were more than 1,5° of!

Thanks for the full explanation. I have also noticed that the glide strips dont cover the base plate, so at least for critical cuts one should probably use the Bosch rails. I have never heard of other people having trouble with the base being "off square" though. The dutch test was actually showing that the Bosch was more accurate than the Festool. Howerer, i certaintly see your issue. Wasnt there a similar problem with the TS55 if you tightened the front knob before the back knob or is this related to other things?

To my knowledge the TS55R base had only one stop for 0 and 45deg angle, but you mention that the R-model have two stops since 2015. Is the base new? Where can i find info regarding this new base?

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] : I dont know about the 70% statistics, but there are certaintly several folk tales regarding Trolls here in Norway. Lets just say that i have never seen one 

 

[Holmz]

...
[member=40772]Holmz[/member] : I dont know about the 70% statistics, but there are certaintly several folk tales regarding Trolls here in Norway. Lets just say that I have never seen one

You may not ave seen one in Norway, but you could possibly see one here  [wink]

 

[heiko1974]

http://michael-hild.blogspot.de/2013/01/werkzeugvorstellung-festool-ts-55-rebq.html?m=1

Scrollen down then you can see a picture of it.

 

[Tayler_mann]

Is there any word of when this saw will make it to NA. Also, does anyone know the U.S. dollar equivalent?

 

[heiko1974]

This is not a new saw, the saws with production date 1/2015 are build this way.

 

[dutchie]

http://michael-hild.blogspot.de/2013/01/werkzeugvorstellung-festool-ts-55-rebq.html?m=1

Scrollen down then you can see a picture of it.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I clicked on another story on your blog and stumbled across this > http://michael-hild.blogspot.nl/2011/09/die-taucht-was-die-makita-sp6000.html

I love your idea of attaching a piece of scrap wood to these clamps to be able to use any table as a cutting table. Will probably copy that idea if you don't mind

 

[Darren1972]

You get what you pay for simple

 

[heiko1974]

Hello dutchi,
this isn't my blog!  [wink]

Heiko

 

[Magpal]

http://michael-hild.blogspot.de/2013/01/werkzeugvorstellung-festool-ts-55-rebq.html?m=1

Scrollen down then you can see a picture of it.

That looks nice! I did not see this base on the ts55 when i visited the retailer a couple of months ago. Have anyone gotten this base on their TS55?

 

[yetihunter]

If we were on the Bosch Forum then the concept of him being a troll would make more sense.

I was biting my tongue so hard ... [wink]

[member=40772]Holmz[/member]

Well I was thinking of [member=48770]Magpal[/member] - mainly because on SBS-on-Demand they had a movie called "Troll Hunter" and 70% of Norwegians believe in trolls... Which live in Norway.

Hope you tongue heals ok. I sense a lashing cometh.  [tongue]

That's a classic unspoken Nordic prank against outsiders. 

 

[Holmz]

So FOG must be Norwegian as Trolls live here?

 

[Wittler1507]

I have owned a huge amount of crappy circular saws over the years and the Bosch is a great saw.  However it just doesn't touch the ts55

 

[Darren1972]

Festool plunge saw is better than bosch end of

 

[Brice Burrell]

Festool plunge saw is better than bosch end of

Only if you had posted this so definitive and well thought out response sooner we could have saved all the trouble of this whole thread... [blink] [tongue]

 

[Darren1972]

Festool plunge saw is better than bosch end of

Only if you had posted this so definitive and well thought out response sooner we could have saved all the trouble of this whole thread... [blink] [tongue]

ok i have used both and the festool one is better in every way exept price think ford v ferarri thats a good analogy

 

[jacko9]

Festool plunge saw is better than bosch end of

Only if you had posted this so definitive and well thought out response sooner we could have saved all the trouble of this whole thread... [blink] [tongue]

ok i have used both and the festool one is better in every way exept price think ford v ferarri thats a good analogy

Was that the LeMans GTFord that beat Ferrari?

J

 

[Locks14]

I've used both and to say the Festool is the best "end of" is simply untrue. The end results in terms of the cut from both machines are equal in quality and precision, if both saws are used properly.

The Festool is a nicer, more tactile object than the Bosch and it has the micro depth adjustment and preset quick detent for scoring, which the bosch lacks. Point to Festool

However for most the ability to store, transport and manoeuvre the long tracks of 2700mm or 3000mm is not practical. So joining shorter rails is a must as part of the system and this is where Festool falls down compared to Bosch.

So if you don't need to join rails, Festool is indeed a better solution for your tracksaw. But for my money whilst the scoring system and micro-depth are nice, the fundamentally most important aspect in a TRACKsaw, are the tracks and here Bosch have simply done it better for the vast majority for who super long one-piece tracks are not a practical solution vs. joining tracks. Point to Bosch.

So in balanced summary. If you work in a shop and never have to take your track saw and rails on site? Get the Festool. Need to work on site where handling a 3000mm track is impractical? Get the Bosch where you can join two 1600mm rails quickly and perfectly true.