Festool TS60 K ?

[leftistelf]

Seems like Festool posted a video of a new saws today… anyone have any details?

 

[figle]

I've seen it on Festool's website. Looks like 5mm deeper cut than the 55, new narrower blades and the ability to use the FSK rails.

I'm kind of thinking heavily now how it compares to TSC55 I got a week ago, especially the FSK rail option. I'd argue using FSK rails would be more suited for a cordless saw. Nonetheless, I wonder how different is the foot on the TS60 compared to say TSC55 and if in theory Festool could provide it as an option for the other saws?

 

[JINRO]

I'm guessing this is for cuts between 55 and 75 but uses thinner blade? Owning both 55 and 75, I need to justify myself not to buy this one

 

[woodbutcherbower]

What a strange product. It's a TS55 which cuts only 5mm deeper.

Maybe I'm missing something, but what's the point, and who exactly is this tool aimed at? It's like them bringing out a CT27, CT37 and CT49 which will all run in parallel with the existing range. If they'd updated and replaced the TS55 with this, I'd completely understand - but two saws in the range whose capacities are only a whisker apart?

It also has a UK list price approaching £700 - that's 27% more than a TS55, and only £100 less than a TS75. Thanks - but I'll pass.

 

[JINRO]

What a strange product. It's a TS55 which cuts only 5mm deeper.

Maybe I'm missing something, but what's the point, and who exactly is this tool aimed at? It's like them bringing out a CT27, CT37 and CT49 which will all run in parallel with the existing range. If they'd updated and replaced the TS55 with this, I'd completely understand - but two saws in the range whose capacities are only a whisker apart?

It also has a UK list price approaching £700 - that's 27% more than a TS55, and only £100 less than a TS75. Thanks - but I'll pass.

I'm beginning to wonder too after reading your thoughts.  There is no merit unless it's incorporated with some new features. Updated TS55 was also not much upgrade from the original. I was expecting incorporated LCD/LED screen which I saw somewhere in FOG. But since appearance looks similar to it's predecessor doesn't seem to assert any outstanding new features.

 

[figle]

Just talked to Festool rep. There's also blade cut markings on the other side of the foot, upgraded depth scale setting (same arrow type as in angle setting). Yes, nothing major.

 

[squall_line]

https://www.festool.com/products/sawing/circular-saws/576721---ts-60-kebq-plus

A few thoughts:

It has a front handle similar to the HK/HKC.

It can use the FSK rails like the HK/HKC.

The ability to use it on FSK rails means that construction folk can get their 45-degree bevels on 2-by material, which has been the chief complaint against the HK/HKC-55.

It appears to have a rubberized grip.  I don't mind rubberized grips, but something in my body's chemistry destroys most rubberized coatings faster than the average human, so I'd be constantly worried about using gloves with it.

I'm having a hard time deciding if this is intended as a replacement for the HK/HKC 55, and the TS 55 remains the go-to for sheet goods until such time as they merge the two into a single offering.  After all, the chief advantage to the HK/HKC in construction-type work is the fact that it's NOT primarily a plunge saw; it handles like any other circular saw, just way over the top.

It seems like an awful lot of time and money to spend on a "pathfinder" or "market study" type of saw, so it'll be interesting in the long-term to see whether the HK/HKC gets a new variant or if it's quietly phased out over time.  I would say that was the fate for the TS/TSC-55, but they literally just updated it, so it seems silly to drop it from the lineup in favor of this model.

 

[GoingMyWay]

Here's a video of the TS 60 K on the FSK rail:


I also just noticed that the TS 60 K has the integrated KickbackStop like the TSC 55 K and also has a brushless EC-TEC motor.

 

[tsmi243]

What a strange product. It's a TS55 which cuts only 5mm deeper.

Most tracksaws, you go all the way to 10, and that's all you get.  This one goes to 11. 

 

[Ebuwan]

Watching the video, seems it's geared toward hipsters from Brooklyn and people into raving.

 

[Maestronus]

1500W brushless (vs 1200W brushed) so AT LEAST 25% more power. Brushless can be 10-15% more efficient so adding up it could have like 40% more power.
62mm depth (vs 50mm) so 25% more capacity
4.8kg (vs 4.3kg) so 12% heavier
6800 max rpm (vs 5800), 17% more
FSK rail compatibility
Anti-kickback like the TSC K
Improved depth adjustment(?)
~27% higher MSRP(?)

Seems like a pretty nice portable and powerful hybrid to me, when you can’t own/bring a kapex/multiple saws.

 

[woodbutcherbower]

What a strange product. It's a TS55 which cuts only 5mm deeper.

Most tracksaws, you go all the way to 10, and that's all you get.  This one goes to 11.

Yeah - but you can’t touch it. You can’t even look at it.

(It's a Spinal Tap joke for anyone who doesn't understand this reply to the above post  [smile])

 

[Paul_HKI]

Hmmm.  Maybe it's just a big bigger so they can fill up the wasted space in the Sys3 it'll ship in?  [big grin]

 

[jimbo51]

In my limited experience, a TSK 55 cannot routinely make a clean 45 degree bevel cut in a 2x construction lumber.  A few extra mms would address that issue.

A recent post warned against using a 165mm blade in a TS 55.

 

[Coen]

No riving knife, no deal.

Great that it has anti-kickback, but it still doesn't protect against the cut-off closing getting chopped up at the rear of the blade if there is tension in the wood.

Nice to cut into thicker wooden countertops... current TS55 lacks just a few mm sometimes.

Good to see a new more powerfull and brushless motor. With the brushelss... makes me wonder why it's still 500 grams heavier. Probably the base to accomodate the FSK rails..

I wonder... can the TS 55 FEBQ riving knife be modded onto it?

Now that I mentioned the riving knife... I just see now that the TS 55 R and F have a riving knife that doesn't go as deep as the first TS 55's.

A recent post warned against using a 165mm blade in a TS 55.

TS 60 K uses 168 mm blades. Still 1.8mm thick.

 

[figle]

Seems like a pretty nice portable and powerful hybrid to me, when you can’t own/bring a kapex/multiple saws.

But is corded truly portable? I bet we'll see a cordless version next year. It will make more sense with FSK, I think.

 

[Cheese]

No riving knife, no deal.

I have a serious question, in the wild does it really make that much of a difference on a track saw? I understand the theory behind it but I've had more issues with the kerf closing when using a table saw rather than a track saw.

I used the TS 55 for 6-7 years and then the TSC for 4 years without a single issue. It was because of those 11 problem-less years that I decided 3 years ago to move on to the MT 55 and now recently the TSC/K. Three years in and ripping 4/4 & 6/4 maple & aromatic cedar with the MT 55 and I still haven't had an issue. Just lucky?

 

[mino]

This looks 90% like an /eventual/ TS55 replacement to me:

Interesting is the motor seems to be arranged like an angle-grinder - resolving issues with motor overhanging the rails and interacting with rail attachments.

Definitely targeted the key TS55 complaints:
- power (attack on MT55)
- depth of cut (already mentioned)
- compatibility with 165mm blades
- compatibility with FSK rails

They payed with more weight, but that was likely inevitable given the brushless motor with more power.

Looks geared also for carpentry - covers both TS and HK55 use cases for many people.

Just from a glance, were I to buy a single saw for a one-man-shop or hobby use, this would be what I would want.

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No riving knife, no deal.

I have a serious question, in the wild does it really make that much of a difference on a track saw? I understand the theory behind it but I've had more issues with the kerf closing when using a table saw rather than a track saw.

I used the TS 55 for 6-7 years and then the TSC for 4 years without a single issue. It was because of those 11 problem-less years that I decided 3 years ago to move on to the MT 55 and now recently the TSC/K. Three years in and ripping 4/4 & 6/4 maple & aromatic cedar with the MT 55 and I still haven't had an issue. Just lucky?

Yes it does.

The problem is that even when the saw does not kick, it damages the cut surface. When ripping a narrow-ish piece from a plank it commonly closes after only 30 centimeters - when there was accumulated tension.

We have Parkside saws without riving knifes and I would never consider them for ripping narrow pieces from a plank. With the TSC it is a non-issue as the knife is just 0.1mm narrower so the blade barely scratches the cut surface. For sheet goods there is no need indeed.

Forgot to mention, above is experience with softwood. I have not seen beech or oak with so much tension to cause a problem, they would crack instead long before that.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Seems like a pretty nice portable and powerful hybrid to me, when you can’t own/bring a kapex/multiple saws.

But is corded truly portable? I bet we'll see a cordless version next year. It will make more sense with FSK, I think.

+1 [thumbs up]

 

[rmwarren]

This looks 90% like an /eventual/ TS55 replacement to me:

Interesting is the motor seems to be arranged like an angle-grinder - resolving issues with motor overhanging the rails and interacting with rail attachments.

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Just from a glance, were I to buy a single saw for a one-man-shop or hobby use, this would be what I would want.

I hadn't noticed the lack of the motor overhang; this is probably my one remaining gripe about the TSC/K. I recently got around this, for my use case, by buying a full set of Bench Dogs Quad Dogs and using whatever length needed to avoid interference.

Totally agree with your points and if I were in the market for a new saw I'd lean towards the TS60.

RMW