Festoon Dominos - I bought the wrong one...

[Cheese]

Riddle-me-this, Batman,

Is it absolutely physically impossible to build a door or gate with a DF500?

So going back to the [member=46908]Mort[/member] question, has anyone made an interior/exterior door or an exterior gate using a DF 500? Now that Domino tenons are available in the 10 x 80/100/750 mm sizes, it would seem to be relatively easy to increase the depth of a standard 10 mm mortise using a brad point drill and a little common sense.

 

[Mort]

Or maybe Seneca could engineer a longer bit that would fit the 500? Something where, after you've already drilled with the short bit, you could slam that longer bit in there and finish 'er off. It would be a bit of a pain to keep switching bits out, but it would save $1300 for a new tool for us Festoolies on a budget.

I dunno, just thinking out loud.

 

[jacko9]

@ Cheese and Mort - that's why they built the Domino 700. 

 

[Mort]

True, but if I wanted both tools and all the cutters/tenon assortments it's over $3100,  which is quite a bit over my budget. All I want is a 10mm cutter that is a bit longer for the 500.

Yes, I could get a 700 and the Seneca adapter and all the tenons, but that's still quite a bit more than a 500.

Sucks having champagne tastes on a beer budget.

 

[Tayler_mann]

Riddle-me-this, Batman,

Is it absolutely physically impossible to build a door or gate with a DF500?

So going back to the [member=46908]Mort[/member] question, has anyone made an interior/exterior door or an exterior gate using a DF 500? Now that Domino tenons are available in the 10 x 80/100/750 mm sizes, it would seem to be relatively easy to increase the depth of a standard 10 mm mortise using a brad point drill and a little common sense.

I have made a lot of big pieces. I have never had the need of anything over my 8mm do to the fact I just put two rows of dominos if i need a lot of tenon strength. If I needed to go deeper than the 28 mm though I would just do what you said. Use a drill bit and plow it through the middle. If it saves me $800 in tools and adapters for the one time I use it I am ok with it. When I start building entire door sets for houses with a 5000 lb wood gate for he entrance I will buy a 700.

 

[leakyroof]

Riddle-me-this, Batman,

Is it absolutely physically impossible to build a door or gate with a DF500?

So going back to the [member=46908]Mort[/member] question, has anyone made an interior/exterior door or an exterior gate using a DF 500? Now that Domino tenons are available in the 10 x 80/100/750 mm sizes, it would seem to be relatively easy to increase the depth of a standard 10 mm mortise using a brad point drill and a little common sense.

  I built gates with my 500 first, then with the 700 that I bought later on when it became available. I DO like the extra depth and the larger Domino stock that's so easy to add to the design when you have the 700, but as you suspected, people have been making very strong doors and gates for years without using a Domino of either size.... [smile]

 

[clark_fork]

The Domino does not have to be used in every case.

Tools don't trump methods. Keep in mind the law of the instrument....

The concept known as the law of the instrument, Maslow's hammer, Gavel or a golden hammer[a] is an over-reliance on a familiar tool; as Abraham Maslow said in 1966, "I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail."[1]

For doors and gates, don't let the router gather dust; we all made perfectly good mortise and tenons before the Domino came on the scene.  However, where time is money, simple economics dictates whether the XL makes sense. In a shop environment, where jobs are billed by the hour, it makes no sense not to use the XL for doors and gates. Where time is money... also go to the 700.

 

[Dongar]

You can't make a longer bit for the 500 because it would make a wider cut then the standard bit causing it to slam into the side of the existing mortise.Which would probably bend or break the bit.

 

[Stone Message]

Hi All,

First post, and very newbie to Festool.  I am an DIY work worker, with a bit of kit fetish (please read "All the gear, starting to get an idea" here).  I have been completely a large project on my house which has largely been completed by others.  Now it's my turn.

I first bought a track saw which got me hooked on the system and is now causing the bank balance a whole range of pain.  My latest purchase was a Domino 500.  Now I did a good chunk of research on it, but subsequently have done even more and have started to get worried...

I am making a set of storage shelves out of 75x50 to take a range of storage items in the house as well as all my tools.  So they need to be sturdy but equally they are not holding up the forth road bridge.

My next projects will be some chest of drawers and a bed.  I'm pretty comfortable that the shelves with a combination of single and double 10x50 joints will be ok.  However the bed I am a little more worried about, as I've seen a few things that say a 700 with it's deeper cuts would be needed for something like this.  Clearly the answer to the question can I get away with the 500 for the bed will very much depend on the design however I am a couple of months away from that at the moment. 

So I guess my question is am I going to regret getting the 500, or should I have spent the c. £4/500 extra (inc. dominos, cutters etc) to get the 700.  I think both are excellent machines so I am just wondering if anyone else has gone through this process and has either ended up loving the 500, wishing they went for the 700 or replaced their 500 with a 700.

Many thanks for anyones opinions!!!

Phil

Hi Phil

For the bed you ought to use the extra length of the DF700 dominos but...

When we moved into our first house in 1978 we could not afford to buy any furniture, I made the bed and we bought a cheap mattress. A couple of years later we moved house and it was then that I discovered that having glued the bed together in the bedroom it would not go down the stairs. In fact we got it wedged tight at the top of the stairs and I had to saw the legs off there and then.

I think there have been suggestions above about toggle bolts - these can be used to secure the head and foot ends to the sides. The DF500 can be used to great effect by having dry (no glue) Domino joints to act as locators for the various pieces. You could glue just one end of the domino thus allowing the joint to be pulled open when required.

Forgive me if this has been suggested already by someone else.

Peter