First off Wow [smile] thank you for all the help and advice on what tools to start with setting up my shop. I can tell that I came to the right place. Also I am sure I am not alone as a newbie and I am sure someone else is reading through this and getting lots of good ideas on how to set up a great shop. Thank you!
Don T said:
I also have the UG wings for the Kapex. They are very nice but I'm sure you could build something much cheaper and still get the job done.
I agree that when possible I prefer to build my own, it is cheaper and you can customize to your needs better.
wow said:
I currently have mine sitting on one of the adjustable Keter tables. It works great, and only cost $50!
That said, it is my intent to build a miter saw table station for my Kapex at some point.
Love it! $1400 saw $50 table. Thanks for the welcome.
Peter Parfitt Thanks for the new video I really appreciate all the work that goes into making it. After your video I think the OF-1400 is probably the best fit for my journeyman's shop. I do want to use it for Leigh D4R but I need it for general use also. If I really get into the Leigh I will add the OF1010 later.
Birdhunter That is a good list. I think it may take a while to reach that point but those are some good ideas to look into.
rizzoa13 said:
I'm going to put in a vote for a CT 36 AC ....I'll also throw in a vote for the TS 75.
I'm of the mind that I want my tools to cover the entire range of my needs and those are 2 options that will allow you to do more and really not affect your day to day use.
Great point. I love when my tools cover all my needs an then some. For example I own a lot of 1000V Knipex tools. Great tools for general use but even better when you accidentally find you need them. I will do some more research on buying the CT-36 AC vs the CT-26. I will eventually need to sand drywall and the auto-clean function would be nice. I also am still debating on the bigger track saw. Lots to think about.
Wood Hog said:
Couldn't agree more the TS55 v TS75 debate seems like it will never end. I recently got into festool and bought the TS55... returned it for the TS75. I used the TS75 for the first time yesterday, it's fabulous , I'm not sure why people get so concerned about the weight. Its not as though your lifting it while its cutting, your sliding it. My 5 year old could push it with his pinky finger (if I'd let him.)
Good to hear you like the TS75. I went down to my local dealer and tried out both the TS-55 REQ and TS-75. The TS-55 felt better designed and a little easier to use. I am sure after a short time that would not matter. I did find the TS-75 was more tippy when doing bevel cuts but with a little care and a good setup that would be no issue also.
I have a 4-year old and I know they are stronger than they look.
Cross-cut Canuck thanks for explaining the table set up. I am going to start with 1 MFT but it seams like 2 in a row would be the ideal setup with a 3rd MFT for final assembly. Thanks.
Peter Halle said:
Nothing has been mentioned about a new version of the Kapex coming out. Usually Europe gets a new tool 9 months to a year earlier than North America does, so I wouldn't worry about instant outdatedness.
Just what I wanted to hear. Thank you for going though my questions point by point. Another vote for the CT-26 max. As far as the TS75 I was planning on "recycling" some of the existing hardwood used in the house when possible not only to save money but because it is the way this house was built, back in 1800's people reused wood and there is plenty of wood in this house that was scavenged from other structures so I can see a potential need for the bigger TS-75 saw. As far as the router I am 99% set on the OF1400. Great to hear that you have enjoyed yours.
jobsworth said:
As you know festool is a system. The foundation of the system is the MFT, CT and TS. Everything else is built up those 3 items. My suggestion is buy those 3 items then buy as you need...
Very well put, the Festool system starts there and so shall I. I am planning on making two package deal purchases to save some money. MFT+TS & CT+Kapex. Ok, I snuck in the Kapex [smile]. I received official permission from my wife tonight to buy two package deals so that was also kinda important. I will check out the holey rails.
Sparktrician said:
Personally I went with the 1400 years ago and have never regretted my purchase.
As for using the OF 2200 for doing dovetails, this would be like using a .300 Winchester Magnum to swat a fly.
Thanks for the vote for the OF1400 and I agree with your point on the OF-2200. Though for flies I prefer the Remington 870.
RKA said:
I think Festool offers two sizes of tracksaws for a reason... Unfortunately, 1/2" is the standard for larger bits here which makes a strong case for the 1400.
My view on craigslist after having trying for many months...people ask too much for their used tools. In many cases, so much that I won't even make the initial call to negotiate as it seems they are a bit unreasonable in their expectations. For not much more, I get a 30 day no questions return policy and a full 3 years warranty.... Lots of right answers in this thread, and in the end it depends on what's important to you. Soak it all in, make your decision and don't look back. You'll enjoy every minute using these tools.
Your view of craigslist is right on. I have sold around $4000 in stuff on craigslist (not including 3 cars) and I am not planning on looking for my tools there, too much drama for too little reward. As far as the router I have a plenty of 1/2" bits and without the OF1400 they are useless. In the USA 1/2" is kinda the standard so the OF1400 it is then. Still thinking about the track saw but the negatives of the TS-75 you pointed out are things to consider.
Edward A Reno III, I can see your point on the CMS simply put that thing is not cheap so it would be a good long time before I would even consider one. I did like the smooth travel and even in a home shop it is nice to be able to move things out to the side and keep the basement clean and clear. At this point I just wanted to make sure I buy a router that is compatible with lots of uses including the CMS, if that day ever comes.
Iceclimber said:
First i think it is worth suggesting to slow down on your purchases and purchase only what you need for your next project... I think the TS 75 is a no brainer. The whole argument of it being heavy is silly. Its not heavy and if it was it is sliding in a rail. Rocket science people

... I think having the size of the CT 36 as a stationary CT is great because even it with regular use will fill up quicker than you would like. Im not keen on the Dust Deputy setup because i do move my CT around and moving the Dust Deputy also would get old quick.....
I love my Festools "really i do" but dont get to caught up in the hype or drink to much of the coolaid. Many of them are great "like great" i could not live without them. Many of them are just another tool.
Lots of good points in there. Yea I get your point on the TS-75. Why buy something twice. I am trying to go slow and "think twice, buy once" but simple fact is remodeling is kinda pointless without a miter saw and a way to rip down boards (table saw or track saw). And the vacuum and MFT table are coming along for the discount. The only thing I may hold up on for a few months is the router. The OF1400 would make an awesome birthday wish. As far as the coolaid, I am always aware of that in my mind. I can tell you that some people make good stuff. And the Kapex is on a different level in the "portable" category. Festool makes good stuff and using good stuff never gets old. A couple of weeks ago when I was on the side of the road changing out the battery on that 1975 Airstream motor-home while a cop watched me, I was using the first good tool I ever bought a 1/4" set of Snap-On Ratchet. Here it was again saving my butt, working like a champ, and that never gets old.
Tim Raleigh & Iceclimber I take your point on the table saw. I will most likely find I need one down the road but I am going to give this MFT+TS+CT thing a shot and see how it goes and add a table saw later if I need one. I can't think of a project I did in our first home that would have not been possible with the TS. Honestly the Kapex will get the most use. Now I have never done any cabinetry or furniture just normal home carpentry (trim, crown, built a fireplace, doors, floors, siding, etc.) so I have only limited experience. Time will tell.
SRSemenza said:
Welcome to the forum!... Lots of good advice. You just need to sort it out for your situation. My brief recommendations --------------
- 1400 Router. Big enough but small enough.
- TS75. I normally would say TS55 but you are likely to run into cuts that need the depth and power. Get the Fine blade too.
- MFT/3. A great versatile and portable workbench. Get one and set up a cutting table for sheet goods and long boards.
- CT36 or 48 (maybe). If not going with the DD. If going with the DD then CT26. BUT keep in mind the DD will really cut down portability.
Seth
Hey Seth... Thanks for the advice, very much what I was thinking. I will check out the smaller vac, and the fine blade for the TS-75
Dan Clark said:
Your initial list is excellent. The MFT/CT/TS55 (older versions) were my first Festools. When I was remodeling my master bath (10' X 13'), my shop was IN the bathroom. And that includes the CT22 WITH the boom arm. There are some bathroom pics in this boom arm review on talkFestool:
Boom Arm Review. It's amazing how fast you can work when you don't have to run up and down stairs to your shop.
Since then, I've added the OF1400, five Festool sanders, a bunch of guide rails, Domino, HL850, Kapex, and a CT26. The OF1400 is excellent. For finish carpentry, the Kapex is the best miter saw available (add zero clearance plates and a Tenryu finish blade). The HL850 made planing a bunch of joists coplaner quite easy.
My CT22 is now my portable vac and the CT26 with the boom arm is my "shop" vac. They are core to almost everything I do.
IMO, the TS55 is the best overall option, unless you will be cutting a lot of thicker material, especially hardwoods. Then the TS75 is probably the best option.
One philosophical point... While I agree with the concept that quality work is mostly the skills and knowledge of the woodworker, the problem is how to get skilled and knowledgeable? We can study books and videos, but skills and knowledge come mostly from doing - learning on the job. When a relative beginner encounters a problem, the question is: What caused the problem - the tools or the person? With poor quality tools, it's difficult to know. With good quality tools, you can be pretty sure who (not what) caused the problem. [cool] IMO, Festool tools are MORE important for us folks who aren't expert craftsman.
A final point... Ask yourself: Why so much passion about Festool tools? IMO, it's because they work and keep working, and every day we use them, they tell us "You made a darn-fine buying decision!". The cost fades quickly, but the quality keeps talkin' to us.
Dan thank you for that. One of the coolest things about the Festool system is being able to set up in the workspace and your photos are a great illustration of that. Good to hear you like the OF1400 and the Kapex. On the philosophical point I think that you are right it is a balance between the tool and the craftsman. And anyone on this forum is already trying to give themselves the best shot of a great finished product by using high quality tools, Festool or otherwise. But yes a great tool is more important to the rookie because it stacks the deck in their favor. I know given the great community here I will be able to set up a great home shop.
Thanks again for all the advice to recap here is the current picks (officially wife approved) purchased as two package deals + the router:
-Kapex
-MFT/3
-TS-55REQ or TS-75
-CT26 HEPA or CT 36 AC Auto-Clean (I am considering the CT 36AC for drywall work in addition to dust extraction if you have any opinion please let me know)
-OF1400