getting ready to buy kapex, advice sought

>>>  Mastercab, my understanding is that the resistance is sort of a safety feature if one forgets to lock the miter setting.

Honestly, and not trying to be confrontational, but I'm very suspicious of that. Sounds a little bogus to me.  Perhaps a case of turning an "issue" into a "feature?"

Is it really listed in the manual as a safety feature?
 
I got swamp land in Florida if you believe that safety feature line. Face it, the Kapex miter table is a problem. If you can look past it the saw may work for you.

I had a buddy raving about how his unit was perfect . He had it 8 weeks working perfectly(so he says), guess what, it locked up and become virtually impossible to move  it. He completed the fix and now the saw works, but it now has a very tight miter table movement.

I do feel a redesign of the miter table may be the only way to permanently solve the problem. I know without a redesign and not just a replaced part I will be very hesitant to try purchasing the saw again.

Nickao
 
nickao said:
I got swamp land in Florida if you believe that safety feature line. Face it, the Kapex miter table is a problem. If you can look past it the saw may work for you.

I had a buddy raving about how his unit was perfect . He had it 8 weeks working perfectly(so he says), guess what, it locked up and become virtually impossible to move  it. He completed the fix and now the saw works, but it now has a very tight miter table movement.

I do feel a redesign of the miter table may be the only way to permanently solve the problem. I know without a redesign and not just a replaced part I will be very hesitant to try purchasing the saw again.

Nickao

Nick, you are right on with your position.  If you compare the bevel adjustment on the Kapex with the miter table it's like night and day.  Festool designed a bevel adjustment that is truly a step forward and set it on top of a POS miter table.  I just don't get it.
 
Just in case you guys missed it, here is a cut and paste (I don't have a clue how to point to a previous posts) of my brief review of the Kapex on June 15th:

Played with a Kapex myself today, actually I had to put up crown molding in one room as part of a larger cabinet job. Someone kindly offered to loan me his Kapex for the job.

So I made maybe 12 cuts with the wonder machine......

First maybe I should point out that I did not receive a free kapex for this review.

My own cheap little miter saw is from Dewalt, a company I'm not particularly a fan of, since they make their share of junk tools, but I will use it for comparison.

first reaction: There's that nasty grinding noise and excessive drag while trying to adjust the miter, actually the miter lock does not work very well because it's a cheaply made piece of stamped steel that in it's relaxed state grips the outer edge of the gauge, press the release lever and an overcenter cam pushes it down slightly to release it's grip on the gauge - something I would expect to find on a tool with "chicago" in it's name (not a comment on that probably fine city, it's a common brand under which the worst examples of Chinese manufacturing technology are sold).

so I checked my own cheap Dewalt when I got back to the shop, nice brake system which clamps to a machined face on the outer face of the cast table itself (not a bolted on thin piece of sheet metal) - even more amazing is that should the dewalt ever get too loose or too tight (and grind) the tension is adjustable.

I also (because square corners in houses are never actually square) often needed to clamp just to one side of the detent - an annoying process with the Kapex since there is no way to lock out the detent, when you get close it'll jerk over and drop in - My humble Dewalt has thumb flip levers on both sides of the table handle to lock out the detent (for righties and lefties I guess) however it's right there at your thumb tip whenever your adjusting and decide you don't want to be locked in at the detent position.

The compound part of the equation (all that stuff piled up on top of the machine) is probably excellent, it's certainly fun to play with, knobs to twist and neat big scales, locks to stop you at places you might want to stop at. Frankly I don't use the tilt mechanism much, I buy compound saws because you usually get a better machine. now be honest with yourself, how often do you actually "tilt" your saw? (because that seems to be where all the money went in this model).

Dust control: Festools big (usually) advantage over everything else out there - Well, today's experiment resulted in exactly the same pile of sawdust on, around, and under the saw that I would expect from my Dewalt (Kapex hooked up to a CT22).

Smooth cuts? no detectable difference from my Dewalt (which is still on it's original blade despite having been fairly abused (aluminum extrusions etc)

Quiet? yes I think it probably is quieter than my dewalt, soft start is nice (Dewalt tends to bang on when you hit the trigger)

Control quirks? That thing with the trigger and button, frankly I read about concerns about it on here, but in my own use (Maybe because I've been using a TS55 a lot), I simply was not aware of it, I didn't have to pause and remember to push this - then pull that, simply did what came naturally and the saw started.

Conclusion, Festool has made a magnificent effort and produced a truly fine half a machine - there's nothing that comes close to competing with it from the blade shaft up. unfortunately everything below the blade shaft is cheap, unergonomic, poorly thought out, and badly made. I would not be surprised to discover that they made a top-down design approach and simply ran out of time, money, and enthusiasm before they got to that table and it's truly inferior controls.

no, I'm not knocking Festool out of habit, frankly I couldn't run my business without them, I literally rely on their fine products to earn my living. I'd love to expand my collection and will as soon as I discover (or they produce) more tools that will make my life easier.

But they've got to be better.

Not just more expensive, not hyped up by announcing in advance when they will be available. just make a better tool. (this ain't it).
 
Gentlemen

May I speak as a man who makes his living w/ my tools.

The kapex is too expensive-plain and simple, it cannot do any thing that my 12" dewalt can't. Yes it it lighter but most of my jobs last at least several days, so the saw would move very little.

$ 1408 thats what it would cost in San Francisco (8.25 sales tax) for that amount I can also purchase the new dewalt 717($600), that little dewalt table saw($400),  and a small compressor and a couple guns. Kinda cheap I know but these are jobsite tools.

I've seen/touched the kapex it is nice, love the forward rail/bevel adjuster stuff, and i friggin hate going around back of the dewalt to adjust bevel( and that stupid little plastic indicator breaks all the time, I fix it w/ a paper clip).  But it aint enough, plus the thought of it riding around it the hockey rink I call my pickup truck bed makes me shudder.

I like getting value for my $- the ts55/midi set I have it is worth every dime and then some. Personally I cannot wait to need the capacity of the 75. That being said the ts55 is a unique tool with no real substitute if you want those features you have to pay for them-as I have.

The kapex brings nothing new to the table.

Now if festool only had a board stretcher, I would pay $1400 for that.

Tom 

 
Ive personally sold 35-40 kapex's. Ive had only one complaint.  I wouldnt worry too much.  1300$  thats 13 entries in the contest.  Just so you know.
good luck
 
Still quite happy with my Kapex. It's not perfect, but after using it for several months now, I wouldn't exchange it for any other saw on the market. Worth every penny to me... Just my opinion  8)
 
I have the Kapex, plus 4 other chop saw varieties. You have to match the saw with what you are trying to accomplish. I have the Dewalt dw708, great saw weighs a ton and therefore it stays in my shop. I really need portability, small size and light weight. I have a 10" slide Craftsman that is really light and great for anything but fine finish work. I have an older Hitachi 10" chop saw for smaller cuts that is great for that application and I have a Delta 8 1/4" for the smallest of jobs, which is not very good but I don't expect much from it. I could be on a job anywhere from half a day to 8 weeks or so. So I bring what the job calls for and sometimes it might call for 2 or more saws. I have been extremely happy with my Kapex from day 1 and my only gripe is that my lasers need a very small adjustment. Festool says it will have UP TO 91% DUST COLLECTION. I have never seen a number higher than that on any saw and in my opinion it comes pretty damn close. If that means that I can cut inside on the project and not have to keep going outside, then I am saving time and money. I put my saws on a Ryobi stand and I don't think you can beat this stand for the money, ease of setup, lightweight assembly or the portability issues that plague all the others. Don't knock until you have tried it, $99 how can you go wrong? Just my 2 cents.

Thanks, Dave
 
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