Glue-less Domino Dowel for Festool

[Kev]

Hi Guys
I like the idea and am willing to give them a try but at the moment can't justify the 19euro shipping cost. I'm sure there will be a UK distributor soon.

Someone has to pay the cost somewhere in the chain ..

 

[The Interior Cafe]

Hi Guys
I like the idea and am willing to give them a try but at the moment can't justify the 19euro shipping cost. I'm sure there will be a UK distributor soon.

Someone has to pay the cost somewhere in the chain ..

The shipping costs is for both the web shops and the consumer a general struggle. The shipping costs our clients pay is already much less then what we pay to our carriers. And as Kev mentioned, somebody is always paying it. That being said. We are processing a lot of retailer applications at this moment, and yes some of them are from the UK. This is for us a very important segment because that enables the shipping costs + our retailers will be having application samples in their shops so you can see/test the products.

Those retailers that join us will be published on our web shop so you can find your closest Dominofix dealer!

 

[ear3]

Great.  Maybe you can give us an update in this thread once some dealers have come on line?

Any American dealers yet?  [member=48572]Shane Holland[/member] will ToolNut be on this?

 

[The Interior Cafe]

Great.  Maybe you can give us an update in this thread once some dealers have come on line?

Any American dealers yet?  [member=48572]Shane Holland[/member] will ToolNut be on this?

Yes we will definitely post our dealers in here and also on our web shop once the agreements have been made. We have a couple of US dealers that have shown interest and we are in process with them.

 

[The Interior Cafe]

To answer a frequently asked question.

Does the Dominofix have the same tightening function as the Festool or Lamello connectors?

Our connectors are not designed to have the kind of pulling effect such as the Lamello or the Festool ones.
The “pinhole” we have is to simply lock the connection in its place. It will tighten a bit because we have placed the holes offset from each other. But for example when used plywood where the chance is high the sheets are a bit bent, we recommend to use a clamp first before tightening. But nevertheless the joint is strong in all directions, a few funny videos with extreme examples will be placed later on to show you the strength!

The reason we couldn’t use the same tightening function is because of its size. If we would use that function the joint would not be stabile and will be moving/breaking. The Lamello is very wide compared to domino’s so the strength is in there making it possible to have this and still have a strong joint. The Festool ones have there depth and thickness to make it possible and strong.

I hope this answers the question. If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact us in the FOG or by email

 

[bobfog]

I'm interested to see these in action. I was disappointed that Festool chose to release their connectors for the 700 before the 500 as I see sheet good construction as a much bigger use for such connectors.

However if this product doesn't have any pulling force I am struggling to see much in the way of real life applications. Exhibition display stands could be a possible market for exhibitors to flat pack the display stands but without any form of clamping force it seems that they could be a bit wobbly and loose, especially if regularly dismantled and reassembled.

Shame there wasn't some form of eccentric cam in the design instead of the screw.

 

[The Interior Cafe]

I'm interested to see these in action. I was disappointed that Festool chose to release their connectors for the 700 before the 500 as I see sheet good construction as a much bigger use for such connectors.

However if this product doesn't have any pulling force I am struggling to see much in the way of real life applications. Exhibition display stands could be a possible market for exhibitors to flat pack the display stands but without any form of clamping force it seems that they could be a bit wobbly and loose, especially if regularly dismantled and reassembled.

Shame there wasn't some form of eccentric cam in the design instead of the screw.

We have tested and experimented with many different options on installing, connecting and many other functions with Dominofix. We choose for the one that worked out best in the overall picture.

Dominofix is designed for mostly furniture, cabinets, framework, ... an easy, cost-effective and fast way of assembling those.
An alternative option (but not the only one) for other similar connections on the market. Every connection has it pro's and cons.
Same in machines, go for a Festool Domino or for a Lamello.

It doesn't mean that we are not developing and looking in to market demand to have Dominofix connectors for different areas of application. But that progress depends on the demand.

As any product developer you would like to please everybody, but in reality it is different. But we do appreciate from everybody to have this kind of "wishlist" on what different kind of connectors should come on the market. It gives us a good idea of demand to develop extra models.

 

[bobfog]

I'm interested to see these in action. I was disappointed that Festool chose to release their connectors for the 700 before the 500 as I see sheet good construction as a much bigger use for such connectors.

However if this product doesn't have any pulling force I am struggling to see much in the way of real life applications. Exhibition display stands could be a possible market for exhibitors to flat pack the display stands but without any form of clamping force it seems that they could be a bit wobbly and loose, especially if regularly dismantled and reassembled.

Shame there wasn't some form of eccentric cam in the design instead of the screw.

We have tested and experimented with many different options on installing, connecting and many other functions with Dominofix. We choose for the one that worked out best in the overall picture.

Dominofix is designed for mostly furniture, cabinets, framework, ... an easy, cost-effective and fast way of assembling those.
An alternative option (but not the only one) for other similar connections on the market. Every connection has it pro's and cons.
Same in machines, go for a Festool Domino or for a Lamello.

It doesn't mean that we are not developing and looking in to market demand to have Dominofix connectors for different areas of application. But that progress depends on the demand.

As any product developer you would like to please everybody, but in reality it is different. But we do appreciate from everybody to have this kind of "wishlist" on what different kind of connectors should come on the market. It gives us a good idea of demand to develop extra models.

I understand that businesses have to make choices and can't please everyone all of the time. Choices such as choosing to develop fixings for the 500 before you move on to the 700, or choosing 10mm fixings before you release 8mm fixings, etc. Are all understandable business choices.

However having no clamping force, IMO isn't something that can be swept under the rug of not being able to please everyone, but more of an overarching flaw/omission in the design, because I can't imagine any application where people would complain about having their joints pulled a little bit tighter or having a bit more strength as a result.

I understand the price issue, but again this is an internal issue of investment capital and being able to afford to manufacture on a large scale so the individual cost to the end user isn't sky high, just because of s slightly more complex product that can clamp. IMO you needed to set the core functions and design parameters of the product and then work on how to get them manufactured at a reasonable price, not compromise on the core functionality to fit a MSRP.

I don't mean to be the bearer of negativity on someone who is trying to innovate, but I fear if you can't produce a product that can clamp and at a reasonable price someone else with deeper pockets to afford the tooling up costs/bulk quantity outsourcing for manufacture, will start producing them.

 

[The Interior Cafe]

I'm interested to see these in action. I was disappointed that Festool chose to release their connectors for the 700 before the 500 as I see sheet good construction as a much bigger use for such connectors.

However if this product doesn't have any pulling force I am struggling to see much in the way of real life applications. Exhibition display stands could be a possible market for exhibitors to flat pack the display stands but without any form of clamping force it seems that they could be a bit wobbly and loose, especially if regularly dismantled and reassembled.

Shame there wasn't some form of eccentric cam in the design instead of the screw.

We have tested and experimented with many different options on installing, connecting and many other functions with Dominofix. We choose for the one that worked out best in the overall picture.

Dominofix is designed for mostly furniture, cabinets, framework, ... an easy, cost-effective and fast way of assembling those.
An alternative option (but not the only one) for other similar connections on the market. Every connection has it pro's and cons.
Same in machines, go for a Festool Domino or for a Lamello.

It doesn't mean that we are not developing and looking in to market demand to have Dominofix connectors for different areas of application. But that progress depends on the demand.

As any product developer you would like to please everybody, but in reality it is different. But we do appreciate from everybody to have this kind of "wishlist" on what different kind of connectors should come on the market. It gives us a good idea of demand to develop extra models.

I understand that businesses have to make choices and can't please everyone all of the time. Choices such as choosing to develop fixings for the 500 before you move on to the 700, or choosing 10mm fixings before you release 8mm fixings, etc. Are all understandable business choices.

However having no clamping force, IMO isn't something that can be swept under the rug of not being able to please everyone, but more of an overarching flaw/omission in the design, because I can't imagine any application where people would complain about having their joints pulled a little bit tighter or having a bit more strength as a result.

I understand the price issue, but again this is an internal issue of investment capital and being able to afford to manufacture on a large scale so the individual cost to the end user isn't sky high, just because of s slightly more complex product that can clamp. IMO you needed to set the core functions and design parameters of the product and then work on how to get them manufactured at a reasonable price, not compromise on the core functionality to fit a MSRP.

I don't mean to be the bearer of negativity on someone who is trying to innovate, but I fear if you can't produce a product that can clamp and at a reasonable price someone else with deeper pockets to afford the tooling up costs/bulk quantity outsourcing for manufacture, will start producing them.

It has nothing to do with costs for that matter because it would barely affect it. "just swiping it under the rug" is not something we have done. There is bit more to it then just bringing the idea in to reality . It is affecting the other functions in the design as mentioned in the previous post:
The reason we couldn’t use the same tightening function is because of its size. If we would use that function the joint would not be stabile and will be moving/breaking. The Lamello is very wide compared to domino’s so the strength is in there making it possible to have this and still have a strong joint. The Festool ones have there depth and thickness to make it possible and strong.

We have had over a 100 prototypes with different designs for testing and fine tuning and seeing what works best. The clamping force was of course the initial idea, but it affected the strength of the parts in the slots to much and the strength and stability of the dowels.

Does that this eliminate certain applications? Yes it does.
Does it work perfect for many other applications? Ow yes!

 

[bobfog]

I'm interested to see these in action. I was disappointed that Festool chose to release their connectors for the 700 before the 500 as I see sheet good construction as a much bigger use for such connectors.

However if this product doesn't have any pulling force I am struggling to see much in the way of real life applications. Exhibition display stands could be a possible market for exhibitors to flat pack the display stands but without any form of clamping force it seems that they could be a bit wobbly and loose, especially if regularly dismantled and reassembled.

Shame there wasn't some form of eccentric cam in the design instead of the screw.

We have tested and experimented with many different options on installing, connecting and many other functions with Dominofix. We choose for the one that worked out best in the overall picture.

Dominofix is designed for mostly furniture, cabinets, framework, ... an easy, cost-effective and fast way of assembling those.
An alternative option (but not the only one) for other similar connections on the market. Every connection has it pro's and cons.
Same in machines, go for a Festool Domino or for a Lamello.

It doesn't mean that we are not developing and looking in to market demand to have Dominofix connectors for different areas of application. But that progress depends on the demand.

As any product developer you would like to please everybody, but in reality it is different. But we do appreciate from everybody to have this kind of "wishlist" on what different kind of connectors should come on the market. It gives us a good idea of demand to develop extra models.

I understand that businesses have to make choices and can't please everyone all of the time. Choices such as choosing to develop fixings for the 500 before you move on to the 700, or choosing 10mm fixings before you release 8mm fixings, etc. Are all understandable business choices.

However having no clamping force, IMO isn't something that can be swept under the rug of not being able to please everyone, but more of an overarching flaw/omission in the design, because I can't imagine any application where people would complain about having their joints pulled a little bit tighter or having a bit more strength as a result.

I understand the price issue, but again this is an internal issue of investment capital and being able to afford to manufacture on a large scale so the individual cost to the end user isn't sky high, just because of s slightly more complex product that can clamp. IMO you needed to set the core functions and design parameters of the product and then work on how to get them manufactured at a reasonable price, not compromise on the core functionality to fit a MSRP.

I don't mean to be the bearer of negativity on someone who is trying to innovate, but I fear if you can't produce a product that can clamp and at a reasonable price someone else with deeper pockets to afford the tooling up costs/bulk quantity outsourcing for manufacture, will start producing them.

It has nothing to do with costs for that matter because it would barely affect it. "just swiping it under the rug" is not something we have done. There is bit more to it then just bringing the idea in to reality . It is affecting the other functions in the design as mentioned in the previous post:
The reason we couldn’t use the same tightening function is because of its size. If we would use that function the joint would not be stabile and will be moving/breaking. The Lamello is very wide compared to domino’s so the strength is in there making it possible to have this and still have a strong joint. The Festool ones have there depth and thickness to make it possible and strong.

We have had over a 100 prototypes with different designs for testing and fine tuning and seeing what works best. The clamping force was of course the initial idea, but it affected the strength of the parts in the slots to much and the strength and stability of the dowels.

But the traditional cam and pin of kitchen knock down fittings are also small like the domino and they function well. I'm also sure you have invested many hours into this project and will be able to competently objection handle any criticisms.

However I do think this is a product that has been released too early with too little development to make it into the product it truly needs to be. Though I do wish  you success in the hope that you will bring out a second more mature product that will satisfy A broader audience.

 

[jmbfestool]

Ill still be buying some before I judge.

I do see the benefits to these and would like them to be cheaper over time.

I know a more complex fixing system will cost more but I dont mind paying a little more.

These types of fixings like Lamelo can soon add to the overall cost of the project.

So DominoFix look like they can become a cheap fixing system if demand for them grows.

I personally cant see why a dominofix can be made using the Festool Domino at its widest setting this will allow for a wider fixing to be used.

 

[The Interior Cafe]

Ill still be buying some before I judge.

I do see the benefits to these and would like them to be cheaper over time.

I know a more complex fixing system will cost more but I dont mind paying a little more.

These types of fixings like Lamelo can soon add to the overall cost of the project.

So DominoFix look like they can become a cheap fixing system if demand for them grows.

I personally cant see why a dominofix can be made using the Festool Domino at its widest setting this will allow for a wider fixing to be used.

Dominofix is made with the widest setting already

 

[The Interior Cafe]

I'm interested to see these in action. I was disappointed that Festool chose to release their connectors for the 700 before the 500 as I see sheet good construction as a much bigger use for such connectors.

However if this product doesn't have any pulling force I am struggling to see much in the way of real life applications. Exhibition display stands could be a possible market for exhibitors to flat pack the display stands but without any form of clamping force it seems that they could be a bit wobbly and loose, especially if regularly dismantled and reassembled.

Shame there wasn't some form of eccentric cam in the design instead of the screw.

We have tested and experimented with many different options on installing, connecting and many other functions with Dominofix. We choose for the one that worked out best in the overall picture.

Dominofix is designed for mostly furniture, cabinets, framework, ... an easy, cost-effective and fast way of assembling those.
An alternative option (but not the only one) for other similar connections on the market. Every connection has it pro's and cons.
Same in machines, go for a Festool Domino or for a Lamello.

It doesn't mean that we are not developing and looking in to market demand to have Dominofix connectors for different areas of application. But that progress depends on the demand.

As any product developer you would like to please everybody, but in reality it is different. But we do appreciate from everybody to have this kind of "wishlist" on what different kind of connectors should come on the market. It gives us a good idea of demand to develop extra models.

I understand that businesses have to make choices and can't please everyone all of the time. Choices such as choosing to develop fixings for the 500 before you move on to the 700, or choosing 10mm fixings before you release 8mm fixings, etc. Are all understandable business choices.

However having no clamping force, IMO isn't something that can be swept under the rug of not being able to please everyone, but more of an overarching flaw/omission in the design, because I can't imagine any application where people would complain about having their joints pulled a little bit tighter or having a bit more strength as a result.

I understand the price issue, but again this is an internal issue of investment capital and being able to afford to manufacture on a large scale so the individual cost to the end user isn't sky high, just because of s slightly more complex product that can clamp. IMO you needed to set the core functions and design parameters of the product and then work on how to get them manufactured at a reasonable price, not compromise on the core functionality to fit a MSRP.

I don't mean to be the bearer of negativity on someone who is trying to innovate, but I fear if you can't produce a product that can clamp and at a reasonable price someone else with deeper pockets to afford the tooling up costs/bulk quantity outsourcing for manufacture, will start producing them.

It has nothing to do with costs for that matter because it would barely affect it. "just swiping it under the rug" is not something we have done. There is bit more to it then just bringing the idea in to reality . It is affecting the other functions in the design as mentioned in the previous post:
The reason we couldn’t use the same tightening function is because of its size. If we would use that function the joint would not be stabile and will be moving/breaking. The Lamello is very wide compared to domino’s so the strength is in there making it possible to have this and still have a strong joint. The Festool ones have there depth and thickness to make it possible and strong.

We have had over a 100 prototypes with different designs for testing and fine tuning and seeing what works best. The clamping force was of course the initial idea, but it affected the strength of the parts in the slots to much and the strength and stability of the dowels.

But the traditional cam and pin of kitchen knock down fittings are also small like the domino and they function well. I'm also sure you have invested many hours into this project and will be able to competently objection handle any criticisms.

However I do think this is a product that has been released too early with too little development to make it into the product it truly needs to be. Though I do wish  you success in the hope that you will bring out a second more mature product that will satisfy A broader audience.

Once again, this has been tested. There has been once a connector for domino 500 with cam and pin. The problem was that the force from that weakens the male part in the slot. To have an integrated one, the Dominofix is not wide enough, it's already with the widest setting it would loose overall stability and strength of the joint..

I understand all these questions and arguments because we had all of those our selfl and we got an answer from with testing and prototypes.

 

[jmbfestool]

Ill still be buying some before I judge.

I do see the benefits to these and would like them to be cheaper over time.

I know a more complex fixing system will cost more but I dont mind paying a little more.

These types of fixings like Lamelo can soon add to the overall cost of the project.

So DominoFix look like they can become a cheap fixing system if demand for them grows.

I personally cant see why a dominofix can be made using the Festool Domino at its widest setting this will allow for a wider fixing to be used.

Dominofix is made with the widest setting already

Oh lol cheers  my bad!!

 

[bobfog]

I'm interested to see these in action. I was disappointed that Festool chose to release their connectors for the 700 before the 500 as I see sheet good construction as a much bigger use for such connectors.

However if this product doesn't have any pulling force I am struggling to see much in the way of real life applications. Exhibition display stands could be a possible market for exhibitors to flat pack the display stands but without any form of clamping force it seems that they could be a bit wobbly and loose, especially if regularly dismantled and reassembled.

Shame there wasn't some form of eccentric cam in the design instead of the screw.

We have tested and experimented with many different options on installing, connecting and many other functions with Dominofix. We choose for the one that worked out best in the overall picture.

Dominofix is designed for mostly furniture, cabinets, framework, ... an easy, cost-effective and fast way of assembling those.
An alternative option (but not the only one) for other similar connections on the market. Every connection has it pro's and cons.
Same in machines, go for a Festool Domino or for a Lamello.

It doesn't mean that we are not developing and looking in to market demand to have Dominofix connectors for different areas of application. But that progress depends on the demand.

As any product developer you would like to please everybody, but in reality it is different. But we do appreciate from everybody to have this kind of "wishlist" on what different kind of connectors should come on the market. It gives us a good idea of demand to develop extra models.

I understand that businesses have to make choices and can't please everyone all of the time. Choices such as choosing to develop fixings for the 500 before you move on to the 700, or choosing 10mm fixings before you release 8mm fixings, etc. Are all understandable business choices.

However having no clamping force, IMO isn't something that can be swept under the rug of not being able to please everyone, but more of an overarching flaw/omission in the design, because I can't imagine any application where people would complain about having their joints pulled a little bit tighter or having a bit more strength as a result.

I understand the price issue, but again this is an internal issue of investment capital and being able to afford to manufacture on a large scale so the individual cost to the end user isn't sky high, just because of s slightly more complex product that can clamp. IMO you needed to set the core functions and design parameters of the product and then work on how to get them manufactured at a reasonable price, not compromise on the core functionality to fit a MSRP.

I don't mean to be the bearer of negativity on someone who is trying to innovate, but I fear if you can't produce a product that can clamp and at a reasonable price someone else with deeper pockets to afford the tooling up costs/bulk quantity outsourcing for manufacture, will start producing them.

It has nothing to do with costs for that matter because it would barely affect it. "just swiping it under the rug" is not something we have done. There is bit more to it then just bringing the idea in to reality . It is affecting the other functions in the design as mentioned in the previous post:
The reason we couldn’t use the same tightening function is because of its size. If we would use that function the joint would not be stabile and will be moving/breaking. The Lamello is very wide compared to domino’s so the strength is in there making it possible to have this and still have a strong joint. The Festool ones have there depth and thickness to make it possible and strong.

We have had over a 100 prototypes with different designs for testing and fine tuning and seeing what works best. The clamping force was of course the initial idea, but it affected the strength of the parts in the slots to much and the strength and stability of the dowels.

But the traditional cam and pin of kitchen knock down fittings are also small like the domino and they function well. I'm also sure you have invested many hours into this project and will be able to competently objection handle any criticisms.

However I do think this is a product that has been released too early with too little development to make it into the product it truly needs to be. Though I do wish  you success in the hope that you will bring out a second more mature product that will satisfy A broader audience.

Once again, this has been tested. There has been once a connector for domino 500 with cam and pin. The problem was that the force from that weakens the male part in the slot. To have an integrated one, the Dominofix is not wide enough, it's already with the widest setting it would loose overall stability and strength of the joint..

I understand all these questions and arguments because we had all of those our selfl and we got an answer from with testing and prototypes.

So it's an impossibility that can never be solved?

 

[The Interior Cafe]

I'm interested to see these in action. I was disappointed that Festool chose to release their connectors for the 700 before the 500 as I see sheet good construction as a much bigger use for such connectors.

However if this product doesn't have any pulling force I am struggling to see much in the way of real life applications. Exhibition display stands could be a possible market for exhibitors to flat pack the display stands but without any form of clamping force it seems that they could be a bit wobbly and loose, especially if regularly dismantled and reassembled.

Shame there wasn't some form of eccentric cam in the design instead of the screw.

We have tested and experimented with many different options on installing, connecting and many other functions with Dominofix. We choose for the one that worked out best in the overall picture.

Dominofix is designed for mostly furniture, cabinets, framework, ... an easy, cost-effective and fast way of assembling those.
An alternative option (but not the only one) for other similar connections on the market. Every connection has it pro's and cons.
Same in machines, go for a Festool Domino or for a Lamello.

It doesn't mean that we are not developing and looking in to market demand to have Dominofix connectors for different areas of application. But that progress depends on the demand.

As any product developer you would like to please everybody, but in reality it is different. But we do appreciate from everybody to have this kind of "wishlist" on what different kind of connectors should come on the market. It gives us a good idea of demand to develop extra models.

I understand that businesses have to make choices and can't please everyone all of the time. Choices such as choosing to develop fixings for the 500 before you move on to the 700, or choosing 10mm fixings before you release 8mm fixings, etc. Are all understandable business choices.

However having no clamping force, IMO isn't something that can be swept under the rug of not being able to please everyone, but more of an overarching flaw/omission in the design, because I can't imagine any application where people would complain about having their joints pulled a little bit tighter or having a bit more strength as a result.

I understand the price issue, but again this is an internal issue of investment capital and being able to afford to manufacture on a large scale so the individual cost to the end user isn't sky high, just because of s slightly more complex product that can clamp. IMO you needed to set the core functions and design parameters of the product and then work on how to get them manufactured at a reasonable price, not compromise on the core functionality to fit a MSRP.

I don't mean to be the bearer of negativity on someone who is trying to innovate, but I fear if you can't produce a product that can clamp and at a reasonable price someone else with deeper pockets to afford the tooling up costs/bulk quantity outsourcing for manufacture, will start producing them.

It has nothing to do with costs for that matter because it would barely affect it. "just swiping it under the rug" is not something we have done. There is bit more to it then just bringing the idea in to reality . It is affecting the other functions in the design as mentioned in the previous post:
The reason we couldn’t use the same tightening function is because of its size. If we would use that function the joint would not be stabile and will be moving/breaking. The Lamello is very wide compared to domino’s so the strength is in there making it possible to have this and still have a strong joint. The Festool ones have there depth and thickness to make it possible and strong.

We have had over a 100 prototypes with different designs for testing and fine tuning and seeing what works best. The clamping force was of course the initial idea, but it affected the strength of the parts in the slots to much and the strength and stability of the dowels.

But the traditional cam and pin of kitchen knock down fittings are also small like the domino and they function well. I'm also sure you have invested many hours into this project and will be able to competently objection handle any criticisms.

However I do think this is a product that has been released too early with too little development to make it into the product it truly needs to be. Though I do wish  you success in the hope that you will bring out a second more mature product that will satisfy A broader audience.

Once again, this has been tested. There has been once a connector for domino 500 with cam and pin. The problem was that the force from that weakens the male part in the slot. To have an integrated one, the Dominofix is not wide enough, it's already with the widest setting it would loose overall stability and strength of the joint..

I understand all these questions and arguments because we had all of those our selfl and we got an answer from with testing and prototypes.

So it's an impossibility that can never be solved?

Impossible is a big word but there are to many complications. For example the force on the male part that it breaks in the slot. Or you would need more tools then just the domino if you want a combination between domino dowel and the cam and pin.

The main application area are cabinets, but not the only one!. Most common thickness of sheets used is 16mm which downsizes the fastening possibilities of the male part. Therefore it is designed as how it is now. If we go for the option on using multiple tools for making the holes and slots it would loose the ergonomy and it will downsize our audience a lot.

If we would make something like that, it means that it would be made for the same application area as the festool ones. We don't want to compete against festool but want to add some alternative connections instead of using other brands.

If you look at festools application area, there is no way you can do it without the clamping force. That also explaines why they are designed as how they are and only for the 700.

Nevertheless I think it's a good idea that you bring up those arguments since it will explain questions for a lot of people

 

[Kev]

Here's a question from a different angle ...

Using 18mm veneered particle board, I would expect to be able to make a free standing shelf unit 900mm height, 300mm deep and 600mm wide .. consisting of nothing but 2 sides, top, bottom, plus two shelves and a small stabiliser at the front bottom ~75mm high. Made with dominos, glued and clamped I would expect this structure to be stable and solid without any back attached.

What would I expect if this same unit was made purely as a flat pack with Dominofix connectors? Would it be solid or would the joints allow the unit to wobble?

[member=59835]Dominofix[/member] [member=60286]bobfog[/member]

 

[jmbfestool]

Here's a question from a different angle ...

Using 18mm veneered particle board, I would expect to be able to make a free standing shelf unit 900mm height, 300mm deep and 600mm wide .. consisting of nothing but 2 sides, top, bottom, plus two shelves and a small stabiliser at the front bottom ~75mm high. Made with dominos, glued and clamped I would expect this structure to be stable and solid without any back attached.

What would I expect if this same unit was made purely as a flat pack with Dominofix connectors? Would it be solid or would the joints allow the unit to wobble?

[member=59835]Dominofix[/member] [member=60286]bobfog[/member]

I suppose it would still wobble if you used Dominofix alone or if not would do over time.

No reason you could add glue when using Dominofix. Benefit would be that you wouldnt require as many clamps. You would use your clamps at first then tigthen Dominofix and then remove clamps and move onto the next unit while the glue set.

This is what im hoping the Dominofix will help me with building units.

I have looked at other options and really Dominofix is currently the better options in my opinion.

Lamelo.... Requires special lamelo tool but also special tooling and attachment for my CNC and awkward programming in the cnc to perform the lamelo cutting action. It cant all be done on the CNC so its still two stage process.    So lamelo is extremly expensive set up plus the fixings are not cheap anyway and after all that its still a two stage proccess.

Rafix the best option for CNC its a one stage proccess which can be done entirely on CNC. However its a very noticeable fixing method.  So unless one face is hiden its an unsightly fixing. Plus it sits on the surface creating a lip.

Onto Dominofix.

Hard to comment until I have one to try out.

Like the Lamelo its a two stage proccess. 
However the small hole is just a simple drill and the slot is very easy and simple programming and tooling can cut the slot on the face.

The hole which the CNC drills can be used for the second stage proccess using the festool Domino this hole would act like refrence point for the festool Domino.  So set up costs and ease of use the Dominofix is miles ahead compared to Lamelo.

The Dominofix unlike the rafix is alot more discreet.

So looking at it the Dominofix has many benefits but like many have said and I have commented before the pulling force is the downer of the system

 

[The Interior Cafe]

Here's a question from a different angle ...

Using 18mm veneered particle board, I would expect to be able to make a free standing shelf unit 900mm height, 300mm deep and 600mm wide .. consisting of nothing but 2 sides, top, bottom, plus two shelves and a small stabiliser at the front bottom ~75mm high. Made with dominos, glued and clamped I would expect this structure to be stable and solid without any back attached.

What would I expect if this same unit was made purely as a flat pack with Dominofix connectors? Would it be solid or would the joints allow the unit to wobble?

[member=59835]Dominofix[/member] [member=60286]bobfog[/member]

I suppose it would still wobble if you used Dominofix alone or if not would do over time.

No reason you could add glue when using Dominofix. Benefit would be that you wouldnt require as many clamps. You would use your clamps at first then tigthen Dominofix and then remove clamps and move onto the next unit while the glue set.

This is what im hoping the Dominofix will help me with building units.

I have looked at other options and really Dominofix is currently the better options in my opinion.

Lamelo.... Requires special lamelo tool but also special tooling and attachment for my CNC and awkward programming in the cnc to perform the lamelo cutting action. It cant all be done on the CNC so its still two stage process.    So lamelo is extremly expensive set up plus the fixings are not cheap anyway and after all that its still a two stage proccess.

Rafix the best option for CNC its a one stage proccess which can be done entirely on CNC. However its a very noticeable fixing method.  So unless one face is hiden its an unsightly fixing. Plus it sits on the surface creating a lip.

Onto Dominofix.

Hard to comment until I have one to try out.

Like the Lamelo its a two stage proccess. 
However the small hole is just a simple drill and the slot is very easy and simple programming and tooling can cut the slot on the face.

The hole which the CNC drills can be used for the second stage proccess using the festool Domino this hole would act like refrence point for the festool Domino.  So set up costs and ease of use the Dominofix is miles ahead compared to Lamelo.

The Dominofix unlike the rafix is alot more discreet.

So looking at it the Dominofix has many benefits but like many have said and I have commented before the pulling force is the downer of the system

You have summed up many reasons why we have developed the Dominofix, couldn't do it any better!  [big grin]

[member=13058]Kev[/member] The Dominofix will hold it, but as [member=5671]jmbfestool[/member]  mentioned it will be getting wobbly after a while. We always recommend on using a back with nails/screws or in a groove or if you would use two stabilisers of 120mm wide on the top and bottom with 2 Dominofix on each side, it also is not going to wobble (unless you are really forcing it, but then glued dominos/lamello/dowels will also start getting loose)

 

[bobfog]

Can I ask what exactly makes this better than using a normal domino and screw with a slightly offset hole to act as a draw bore tenon?