hand truck options

[NERemodeling]

Hey all   

Ever since i went to the JLC connect event and saw the sys roll i knew i wanted one or something like it,  my only problems with it are that it dosent fold up and its quite pricy.  i know Tanos makes a trolly but that is also pricy not great weight capicity at 110lbs ? and is still quite thick when folded, 5" i think

i was browsing old posts and saw this  http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-wish-list/jobsite-tool-sysport-like-hand-truckdolly/   

i particularly like the setup Alex has,  work out of a 7x14 v nose trailer that is packed so the smaller it folds down to the better

anyone else use these types of folding hand carts, if so how do you like them and what one do you have?  also how do you secure your systainers to the cart

Thanks

John

 

[nanook]

What about the HD Tanos one:
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=64655&cat=1,43326,64664,64655
$300  [eek]

 

[NERemodeling]

i guess at 150kg or about 330 lbs that solves the weight capicity issue but holy smokes $300 [scared]  that is insane for a few pieces or aluminum tube and two wheels

i did like the strap though, seems much nicer than a bungee,

 

[peter halle]

In that thread was this link that is still valid:  Lots of other choices out there:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001Q8VSL0/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?ie=UTF8&cloe_id=c3a8a96e-d49b-4783-bbfb-ab92b1398f59&attrMsgId=LPWidget-A2&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000078ONL&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0WH1TD953505G3N3TACY

Peter

 

[NERemodeling]

In that thread was this link that is still valid:  Lots of other choices out there:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001Q8VSL0/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?ie=UTF8&cloe_id=c3a8a96e-d49b-4783-bbfb-ab92b1398f59&attrMsgId=LPWidget-A2&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000078ONL&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0WH1TD953505G3N3TACY

Peter

I did see that and im assuming it is close to what i will end up with, anyone have any real experiance with them????  

it seems like i can get a 200-275 lb rated with 7" (larger) wheels for between $50-72

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010XS5PS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006FW3IAG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AF8EGQ3KRZQB6

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0040719EA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 

[GregBradley]

In that thread was this link that is still valid:  Lots of other choices out there:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001Q8VSL0/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?ie=UTF8&cloe_id=c3a8a96e-d49b-4783-bbfb-ab92b1398f59&attrMsgId=LPWidget-A2&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000078ONL&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0WH1TD953505G3N3TACY

Peter

I did see that and im assuming it is close to what i will end up with, anyone have any real experiance with them????   

it seems like i can get a 200-275 lb rated with 7" (larger) wheels for between $50-72

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010XS5PS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006FW3IAG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AF8EGQ3KRZQB6

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0040719EA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Cross the first one off your list. I have several for people to use for delivery of bulky but light items. It would get to be an ugly load with 110lb of systainers on it - and it is pretty short.

 

[NERemodeling]

In that thread was this link that is still valid:  Lots of other choices out there:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001Q8VSL0/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?ie=UTF8&cloe_id=c3a8a96e-d49b-4783-bbfb-ab92b1398f59&attrMsgId=LPWidget-A2&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000078ONL&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0WH1TD953505G3N3TACY

Peter

I did see that and im assuming it is close to what i will end up with, anyone have any real experiance with them???? 

it seems like i can get a 200-275 lb rated with 7" (larger) wheels for between $50-72

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010XS5PS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006FW3IAG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AF8EGQ3KRZQB6

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0040719EA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Cross the first one off your list. I have several for people to use for delivery of bulky but light items. It would get to be an ugly load with 110lb of systainers on it - and it is pretty short.

thanks for the straight forward advice!  consider it off my list.    Do you have any experiance with using one of these for systainers? (or anyone reading this?)

the main use would be transporting systainers through finished homes to and from the trailer

john

 

[GregBradley]

I just got back with two 3-bottle boxes of Clorine for the pool. I pulled out the Magna Cart, the first one in your links, that I keep in my truck and put one box on top of the other to go from the driveway to the backyard. That was a load for that on a fairly smooth driveway and became a bit hard to handle going over a garden hose. It was fine for that one time use but for regular use, forget it.

One of the biggest problems is it is SHORT. I have to lean over to use it at a normal angle. I am 6'2" so if you are a foot shorter then it wouldn't be so bad. These were well worth the $29.95 I paid at Costco but I would have a tough time paying Amazon $49.95. They really are fine to store in a small space and use once or twice a month. If I plan ahead, I would take a bigger cart.

I put a 4' stack of systainers on the cart and realized that would not be a good idea on a regular basis. Even for occasional use, I would want to only use it on a smooth floor inside. One of the biggest problem is that it is short and narrow.

 

[NERemodeling]

I just got back with two 3-bottle boxes of Clorine for the pool. I pulled out the Magna Cart, the first one in your links, that I keep in my truck and put one box on top of the other to go from the driveway to the backyard. That was a load for that on a fairly smooth driveway and became a bit hard to handle going over a garden hose. It was fine for that one time use but for regular use, forget it.

One of the biggest problems is it is SHORT. I have to lean over to use it at a normal angle. I am 6'2" so if you are a foot shorter then it wouldn't be so bad. These were well worth the $29.95 I paid at Costco but I would have a tough time paying Amazon $49.95. They really are fine to store in a small space and use once or twice a month. If I plan ahead, I would take a bigger cart.

I put a 4' stack of systainers on the cart and realized that would not be a good idea on a regular basis. Even for occasional use, I would want to only use it on a smooth floor inside. One of the biggest problem is that it is short and narrow.

Hey Greg, thanks for the review.    do you have any ideas of features or improvements that might make it better for systainer/daily use?   

i did a quick search of the sys roll height and came up with something like 44"    the other two hand trucks i have listed are both 42.5"  do you think this is a better height  im 6' tall

what exactly do you mean about it being to narrow

John

 

[AlexThePalex]

I'm spoiled with my RuXXac cart and I'm sorry for you Americans that you can't buy it. Don't know why they don't sell it over there, Europe and Australia can get them easily.

I've tried a bunch of these carts by now and most of them are really flimsy. And short. And have very bad wheels that make it awful to ride with it as long as your ground isn't completely flat. I have not found a single cart that can even come close to this RuXXac cart I have. Unfortunately all those carts I see in the links above are also flimsy. You can see it from the way they're built. 

My advice is, don't get a cheap one. Here you can buy them from €22 and up, but my cart cost me €127. You do pay for quality.

 

[NERemodeling]

I'm spoiled with my RuXXac cart and I'm sorry for you Americans that you can't buy it. Don't know why they don't sell it over there, Europe and Australia can get them easily.

I've tried a bunch of these carts by now and most of them are really flimsy. And short. And have very bad wheels that make it awful to ride with it as long as your ground isn't completely flat. I have not found a single cart that can even come close to this RuXXac cart I have. Unfortunately all those carts I see in the links above are also flimsy. You can see it from the way they're built. 

My advice is, don't get a cheap one. Here you can buy them from €22 and up, but my cart cost me €127. You do pay for quality.

you guys always have the cooler stuff!  i'm going to be in Italy (Rome and Amalfi coast) in july, do you think i could pick one up there and bring it back as a carry on?  starts to get expensive though especially when you factor in the exchange rate

what is the diameter of your wheels and what is it that you feel makes them so nice?

what is the height from the floor to top of handle on yours when its fully extended?

what was the source of the bungee cords you use?

Thanks!

John

 

[AlexThePalex]

you guys always have the cooler stuff!   i'm going to be in Italy (Rome and Amalfi coast) in july, do you think i could pick one up there and bring it back as a carry on?   starts to get expensive though especially when you factor in the exchange rate

what is the diameter of your wheels and what is it that you feel makes them so nice?

what is the height from the floor to top of handle on yours when its fully extended?

what was the source of the bungee cords you use?

I'm in The Netherlands and Italy is about 2000 km away. I don't know if you can buy it there. But even here it's not like you can just walk into any store and it's there. You'll have to scout for a dealer. They exist but there are not a lot of them.

The diameter of my wheels is 180 mm (7 inch) and the nice thing about them is that they're sturdy but soft. When you have hard wheels you'll hear every step you make and everybody around you too. There will be a lot of unwanted vibrations. The metal tubes of this cart are also a bit bigger than on most carts.

The height is 114 cm (46 inch). Quite a bit higher than most carts. Makes it very comfortable to walk for somebody my size, 1,80m (6 foot).

The bungee cords come from some big box store around here called Praxis. I was there yesterday and noticed they didn't sell them anymore. But basically any bungee will do.

 

[NERemodeling]

you guys always have the cooler stuff!  i'm going to be in Italy (Rome and Amalfi coast) in july, do you think i could pick one up there and bring it back as a carry on?  starts to get expensive though especially when you factor in the exchange rate

what is the diameter of your wheels and what is it that you feel makes them so nice?

what is the height from the floor to top of handle on yours when its fully extended?

what was the source of the bungee cords you use?

I'm in The Netherlands and Italy is about 2000 km away. I don't know if you can buy it there. But even here it's not like you can just walk into any store and it's there. You'll have to scout for a dealer. They exist but there are not a lot of them.

The diameter of my wheels is 180 mm (7 inch) and the nice thing about them is that they're sturdy but soft. When you have hard wheels you'll hear every step you make and everybody around you too. There will be a lot of unwanted vibrations. The metal tubes of this cart are also a bit bigger than on most carts.

The height is 114 cm (46 inch). Quite a bit higher than most carts. Makes it very comfortable to walk for somebody my size, 1,80m (6 foot).

The bungee cords come from some big box store around here called Praxis. I was there yesterday and noticed they didn't sell them anymore. But basically any bungee will do.

that is what i was wondering, thought maybe it might be a common item over there. guess not    thanks for all the info, very helpful!

John

 

[GregBradley]

what exactly do you mean about it being to narrow
John

I looked at it again to answer your question and it isn't actually too narrow - the distance between the wheels. The wheels are not held perfectly straight due to the flimsy folding mechanism that allows the wheels to fold flat. An time it gets more weight on one wheel, that wheel wants to move through its 10 degrees of play. This makes it FEEL too narrow. Get it the slightest bit off center and it gets out of shape quickly.

 

[Oldwood]

This one is 43 " tall has 7.25" wheels & a 275 lb rating for $120.00
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=46460&cat=1,43456,43391

Gerry

 

[Julian Tracy]

The foldup Ruxxac carts have been available for years here, though I don't know if they still are?

The basic unit was available with either a short nose or long nose baseplate for between $99 and $135.  They were available at just about any large photo supply retailer like B&H Photo, Calumet, etc.

They used to (maybe still do?) have lifetime warranty - once, I just gave them a call about the wheel set and they sent me another set of the wheels.

Though they look like all the other $30-45 folding carts, they were rated for about 275lbs capacity and made in Germany.

Like the OP, I just looked at the syscart intending to buy one, but have decided against it as it just takes up too much room.  If it was folding in some fashion it'd be a no brainer, but it's just too darn large when not in use.

Might be different if it seemed to be both highly engineered and made of amazing light and strong materials, but the plastic back extrusions were definitely underwhelming.  Hate to see that unit get bounced around on a 20 degree day.  Can't see it lasting much in frigid temps.  Heck, my CT22 lost a systainer retaining tab and it wasn't that cold out.

The plastics used in both seem a bit brittle for any use in very cold temps.

JT

 

[NERemodeling]

what exactly do you mean about it being to narrow
John

I looked at it again to answer your question and it isn't actually too narrow - the distance between the wheels. The wheels are not held perfectly straight due to the flimsy folding mechanism that allows the wheels to fold flat. An time it gets more weight on one wheel, that wheel wants to move through its 10 degrees of play. This makes it FEEL too narrow. Get it the slightest bit off center and it gets out of shape quickly.

Thats no good, im pretty convinced to stay away from the cheap stuff.  nothing worse than trying to save a few bucks buy buying something cheap only to have to buy the correct/more expensive option shortly after because the first one didnt make it

 

[NERemodeling]

The foldup Ruxxac carts have been available for years here, though I don't know if they still are?

The basic unit was available with either a short nose or long nose baseplate for between $99 and $135.  They were available at just about any large photo supply retailer like B&H Photo, Calumet, etc.

They used to (maybe still do?) have lifetime warranty - once, I just gave them a call about the wheel set and they sent me another set of the wheels.

Though they look like all the other $30-45 folding carts, they were rated for about 275lbs capacity and made in Germany.

Like the OP, I just looked at the syscart intending to buy one, but have decided against it as it just takes up too much room.  If it was folding in some fashion it'd be a no brainer, but it's just too darn large when not in use.

Might be different if it seemed to be both highly engineered and made of amazing light and strong materials, but the plastic back extrusions were definitely underwhelming.  Hate to see that unit get bounced around on a 20 degree day.  Can't see it lasting much in frigid temps.  Heck, my CT22 lost a systainer retaining tab and it wasn't that cold out.

The plastics used in both seem a bit brittle for any use in very cold temps.

JT

I checked with some photo stores online and had no luck, i will try to make a few phone calls..    Ruxxac seems to have great customer service, Its always nice to deal with a company who stands behind their product, to me its well worth a few extra bucks up front.

 

[NERemodeling]

This one is 43 " tall has 7.25" wheels & a 275 lb rating for $120.00
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=46460&cat=1,43456,43391

Gerry

nice looking cart,  anyone have experiance or comments about this one??

here are a few more that i found that seem to be more robust  ill keep looking for the ruxxac but if i turn up empty handed i think these are my next best options

http://www.handtrucksrus.com/crashdetail.aspx?id=1298

http://www.handtrucksrus.com/crashdetail.aspx?id=1174

http://www.handtrucksrus.com/crashdetail.aspx?id=480

http://www.handtrucksrus.com/crashdetail.aspx?ID=1299

any comments? 

John

 

[AlexThePalex]

here are a few more that i found that seem to be more robust   ill keep looking for the ruxxac but if i turn up empty handed i think these are my next best options

http://www.handtrucksrus.com/crashdetail.aspx?id=1298

http://www.handtrucksrus.com/crashdetail.aspx?id=1174

http://www.handtrucksrus.com/crashdetail.aspx?id=480

http://www.handtrucksrus.com/crashdetail.aspx?ID=1299

any comments?   

The first one of $109 looks not too strong, but the other three seem pretty sturdy to me, especially the last one. 500 lbs is a lot to carry. My cart is rated at a 'mere' 300 lbs.