Help !Kem Aqua virgin ! Any advise PLEASE!

[wptski]

[member=60643]wptski[/member]

Bill,

Are you referring to the cup to gun fitting? If so the stock fitting has not been on any of my guns for a very long time.

On the G-Xpc guns the fittings are #10 3M PPS fittings. The T-70 takes a #18 PPS fitting. No issues with these coming loose.

In the video you linked it is an 8 once PPS cup. In that cup I can use a 3 or 8 ounce liner. In the quart cup shown in the previous post I can use a 28 or 32 ounce liner.

If you have not seen or used the 3M PPS system look into it. I would not be without it.

Tom

It's the steel 1/4" swivel to a 90 deg 3/8" NPT which Fuji calls their "L" adapter.  Nobody makes that in brass but as I stated, I at least found the swivel part in brass and a brass 90 can be found anywhere.  Here's what I mean: "L" fitting

I just ordered a mini PPS package kit(8oz) for the Gxpc. 

 

[deepcreek]

If you have not seen or used the 3M PPS system look into it. I would not be without it.

Thanks for the tip.  I really like the looks of that!
http://3mcollision.com/products/featured-products/pps

 

[tjbnwi]

[member=60643]wptski[/member]

Bill,

Are you referring to the cup to gun fitting? If so the stock fitting has not been on any of my guns for a very long time.

On the G-Xpc guns the fittings are #10 3M PPS fittings. The T-70 takes a #18 PPS fitting. No issues with these coming loose.

In the video you linked it is an 8 once PPS cup. In that cup I can use a 3 or 8 ounce liner. In the quart cup shown in the previous post I can use a 28 or 32 ounce liner.

If you have not seen or used the 3M PPS system look into it. I would not be without it.

Tom

It's the steel 1/4" swivel to a 90 deg 3/8" NPT which Fuji calls their "L" adapter.  Nobody makes that in brass but as I stated, I at least found the swivel part in brass and a brass 90 can be found anywhere.  Here's what I mean: "L" fitting

I just ordered a mini PPS package kit(8oz) for the Gxpc.

I leave the 90º fitting very slightly loose so I can rotate the cup.

Did you order the #10 adapter for the gun to PPS cup? If not the cup will not go on the gun.

The PPS adapters are steel. I have not had one loosen to a point where it leaked.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Waterbornes spray better through the blue lids with the 125 micron filter. The clear lids have 200 micron filters and work better with solvents.

Tom

 

[wptski]

I leave the 90º fitting very slightly loose so I can rotate the cup.

Did you order the #10 adapter for the gun to PPS cup? If not the cup will not go on the gun.

The PPS adapters are steel. I have not had one loosen to a point where it leaked.

Tom

It's a package deal from a Fuji dealer I got my Q4 Gold from for the Gxpc so it comes with the #10 adapter.

I wonder why they mate steel to steel on stuff like this???  The OEM Gxpc cup has a brass male seat to mate to the steel fluid intake fitting. 

Now the lids, I totally missed the different filters but looking at the part numbers against 3M numbers they are clear 200m and he's not showing any mini 125m.  By waterborne working better with 125m filter, what do you exactly mean?

PS, I can't email my dealer as it appears Yahoo mail is hardly working at all and in fact I read that Yahoo search isn't either.

 

[tjbnwi]

The waterborne finishes are normally thicker than the solvent finished. The larger filter media allows the fluid to pass through better. I have sprayed waterborne through the 200 micron lids, slows you down a bit.

If it was Phelps he had the blue lids. I believe Jeff at Homestead has them also.

Even with the filters in the lids, I run the products through a strainer.

Again, no issues with the fittings at all.

Tom

 

[wptski]

The waterborne finishes are normally thicker than the solvent finished. The larger filter media allows the fluid to pass through better. I have sprayed waterborne through the 200 micron lids, slows you down a bit.

If it was Phelps he had the blue lids. I believe Jeff at Homestead has them also.

Even with the filters in the lids, I run the products through a strainer.

Again, no issues with the fittings at all.

Tom

That's what I was thinking but something is wrong as a 200 micron(.0078") is larger than 125 micron(.0049") so who's thinking backwards here? [big grin]

Yep, it was from Roger Phelps but his kit doesn't specify the filter size but in the individual filters, nothing but clear filters and 3m doesn't even show the HO or pressurized PPS cup kit.  Roger is just piecing this kit, I assume.

 

[tjbnwi]

The waterborne finishes are normally thicker than the solvent finished. The larger filter media allows the fluid to pass through better. I have sprayed waterborne through the 200 micron lids, slows you down a bit.

If it was Phelps he had the blue lids. I believe Jeff at Homestead has them also.

Even with the filters in the lids, I run the products through a strainer.

Again, no issues with the fittings at all.

Tom

That's what I was thinking but something is wrong as a 200 micron(.0078") is larger than 125 micron(.0049") so who's thinking backwards here? [big grin]

Yep, it was from Roger Phelps but his kit doesn't specify the filter size but in the individual filters, nothing but clear filters and 3m doesn't even show the HO or pressurized PPS cup kit.  Roger is just piecing this kit, I assume.

Me--I'll have to look into it.

Tom

 

[tiralie]

The waterborne finishes are normally thicker than the solvent finished.

Other than the addition of more solids, water has a greater density than most solvents (DNAPLs such as chlorinated solvents and PCB's are heavier), it takes more energy to evaporate and to displace water than a solvent.

Tim

 

[rnt80]

I've decided to upgrade to the Q5 and am intrigued by the 3M system.  For the T75 gun it looks like I'll need the large cup, #2 adapter, and the large liners with the 125 filter.

For those of you that use/have used the system:

Anything I'm missing to get started?
I strain all of my finish first so will the system work with the filter removed?
Have you found the benefits of the system to be worth your time and money?

 

[tiralie]

Is there anything in addition to what's listed in that package that I'd need? Adapters?
Have you found the benefits of the system to be financially worth it?

Yes those three items in the bought together list are the only parts required. Note that the adapter for the 3M cup shown here is for a siphon gun. If you want to use the system on a gravity gun you will need adapter style 24.
I use my 3M cups less than my pressure pots, but I really like it for making samples or on small projects as I can cap the cup between colors.
Tim

 

[tjbnwi]

I've decided to upgrade to the Q5 and am intrigued by the 3M system.  For the T75 gun it looks like I'll need the large cup, #2 adapter, and the large liners with the 125 filter.

For those of you that use/have used the system:

Anything I'm missing to get started?
I strain all of my finish first so will the system work with the filter removed?
Have you found the benefits of the system to be worth your time and money?

Tim is correct, you need the #24 adapter.

You can use the large or small cup of the PPS system on the T-75. I have multiple cups of both sizes. I also keep on hand 3, 8, 28 and 32 ounce liners. They claim you can use each liner once, I've gone as many as 10 times on a liner. Today I cleaned an 8 ounce liner and lid 7 times, I had a lot of small things to spray all were a different color or sheen. Just washed the liner and lid, flushed the gun, filled the liner, popped it one the gun and sprayed the next piece.

Do not remove the screen, no reason to.

Worth it to me both financially and time wise.

How I flush my guns;


I also disassemble my guns and throughly clean them before I store them. Get yourself a good cleaning kit.

Speaking of cleaning [member=7816]Tim Raleigh[/member], thanks for the heads up on the gun cleaner its works very well.

Tom

 

[rnt80]

Thanks, Tim. I looked it up and I found that I needed adapter #2.  I could be wrong though.  I have a pressure pot and an Asturo gun that I've had for 8+ years that I use to spray my clear finishes.  The Fuji will just be for tinted lacquers/paint. 
With that said the inside of my pressure pot is pretty rusted and will periodically decide to drop a fleck of rust into my finish.  I've used a wire brush to clean it up as best as I can but I'd like to spray some paint on the underside of the lid to help protect the finish.

 

[tjbnwi]

Thanks, Tim. I looked it up and I found that I needed adapter #2.  I could be wrong though.  I have a pressure pot and an Asturo gun that I've had for 8+ years that I use to spray my clear finishes.  The Fuji will just be for tinted lacquers/paint. 
With that said the inside of my pressure pot is pretty rusted and will periodically decide to drop a fleck of rust into my finish.  I've used a wire brush to clean it up as best as I can but I'd like to spray some paint on the underside of the lid to help protect the finish.

I just double checked, they list the #2 and #24 for the Fuji gravity guns.

See if you can get a liner for your pressure pot. Another thing you can do if it is a 2.5 gallon pot is set the gallon of finish in the pot, drop the pick up into it as you set the lid. No issue with the rust and less clean up.

A review of the Q5 would be helpful also.

Tom

 

[rnt80]

If I had the money I would've bought a 2.5 gallon pot but I was just getting started back then.  I have a 2 qt pot and I use the 2 qt containers from HD and Lowes and set them in the pot.  I have to cut the rim of the container off for it to fit in the pot otherwise I supposed I could cut a hole in the lid and just slide the tube through it. Its the underside of the pp lid that's the issue since the finish never contacts the sidewalls of the pp.

Thanks, Tim. I looked it up and I found that I needed adapter #2.  I could be wrong though.  I have a pressure pot and an Asturo gun that I've had for 8+ years that I use to spray my clear finishes.  The Fuji will just be for tinted lacquers/paint. 
With that said the inside of my pressure pot is pretty rusted and will periodically decide to drop a fleck of rust into my finish.  I've used a wire brush to clean it up as best as I can but I'd like to spray some paint on the underside of the lid to help protect the finish.

I just double checked, they list the #2 and #24 for the Fuji gravity guns.

See if you can get a liner for your pressure pot. Another thing you can do if it is a 2.5 gallon pot is set the gallon of finish in the pot, drop the pick up into it as you set the lid. No issue with the rust and less clean up.

A review of the Q5 would be helpful also.

Tom

 

[wptski]

Funny thing at the 3m site, for PPS it shows 3, 6, 13.5, 22 and 28oz parts.  Unless that PDF brochure is outdated, no such thing as a 8oz.  I got a headache from chasing part numbers.

 

[tjbnwi]

Looks like they dropped the 8 went to a 6 and 13.5.

Tom

 

[wptski]

Looks like they dropped the 8 went to a 6 and 13.5.

Tom

So when you run out of 8oz parts, you are done for!

 

[tjbnwi]

Looks like they dropped the 8 went to a 6 and 13.5.

Tom

So when you run out of 8oz parts, you are done for!

No, just use the 6 in the 8 ounce cup or the 13.5 in the 1 quart cup. If they went the other way I'd need new cups.

Tom

 

[tiralie]

I looked it up and I found that I needed adapter #2.

It will probably work, it is short and it might be a bit of a problem twisting the larger cups on. 3M do recommend the #18 for the T series siphon gun.

I've used a wire brush to clean it up as best as I can but I'd like to spray some paint on the underside of the lid to help protect the finish.

Get some epoxy appliance paint spray and paint the underside to seal it. Once dry that stuff is really tough. Takes a good day to cure though. A light coat is all you need.

I would highly recommend the C.A.T. Bandit 2 Quart pressure pot. They sell liners for it. I reuse the liners multiple times.

Since you are going ahead with PPS, hooking your T75 up to your pressure pot is very easy, you should try it when spraying tinted lacquer and paint.
Once you remove the cup from the T75 the female connection of the fluid line from the pressure pot will thread right on to the male end on the gun.
Tim