Help !Kem Aqua virgin ! Any advise PLEASE!

[wptski]

I would highly recommend the C.A.T. Bandit 2 Quart pressure pot. They sell liners for it. I reuse the liners multiple times.

Tim

Isn't the point of a liner so one doesn't need to clean the pot?  If you want to clean something, forget the liner all together.

 

[wptski]

No, just use the 6 in the 8 ounce cup or the 13.5 in the 1 quart cup. If they went the other way I'd need new cups.

Tom

Yes, that's true.

 

[wptski]

No, just use the 6 in the 8 ounce cup or the 13.5 in the 1 quart cup. If they went the other way I'd need new cups.

Tom

They call the 13.5oz size a "midi" but there doesn't seem to be a cup and collar kit for the H/O or pressurized cup, only the gravity type.  I asked 3m about that, no reply, too soon yet.

 

[tjbnwi]

No, just use the 6 in the 8 ounce cup or the 13.5 in the 1 quart cup. If they went the other way I'd need new cups.

Tom

They call the 13.5oz size a "midi" but there doesn't seem to be a cup and collar kit for the H/O or pressurized cup, only the gravity type.  I asked 3m about that, no reply, too soon yet.

The cups are interchangeable between gravity and siphon. It appears the 13.5 fits in the 32 ounce cups I have.

All of the cups I use are pressurized.

Tom

 

[wptski]

The cups are interchangeable between gravity and siphon. It appears the 13.5 fits in the 32 ounce cups I have.

All of the cups I use are pressurized.

Tom

Then you need the H/O pressurized type.  Forget that 13.5oz, #16112, 200m kit is over $100 although it's a 50 piece kit.

 

[tiralie]

Then you need the H/O pressurized type.  Forget that 13.5oz, #16112, 200m kit is over $100 although it's a 50 piece kit.

All HVLP turbine driven systems using pressurized cups will require a 3M PPS pressurized cup to operate. 3M makes 2 pressurized cups to use in HVLP turbine systems.
The two cups currently manufactured by 3M are a large 28oz cup and a mini 6oz cup
You will need to also purchase lids and liners to fit the cup or cups you are using.
Hope that helps.
Tim

 

[wptski]

All HVLP turbine driven systems using pressurized cups will require a 3M PPS pressurized cup to operate. 3M makes 2 pressurized cups to use in HVLP turbine systems.
The two cups currently manufactured by 3M are a large 28oz cup and a mini 6oz cup
You will need to also purchase lids and liners to fit the cup or cups you are using.
Hope that helps.
Tim

Yes, I know that but they have a 13.5oz lid/liner size, no more 8oz size but as you stated only two H/O cap and cup sizes.  I don't know how long ago the 8oz was removed from the lineup and replaced by the 6oz.

 

[tiralie]

Yes, I know that but they have a 13.5oz lid/liner size

That is for a non HO cup. Not relevant for an HVLP turbine pressurized cup system.

no more 8oz size but as you stated only two H/O cap and cup sizes.  I don't know how long ago the 8oz was removed from the lineup and replaced by the 6oz.

I have enough problems with the present to think about the past.
Tim

 

[wptski]

Yes, I know that but they have a 13.5oz lid/liner size

That is for a non HO cup. Not relevant for an HVLP turbine pressurized cup system.

no more 8oz size but as you stated only two H/O cap and cup sizes.  I don't know how long ago the 8oz was removed from the lineup and replaced by the 6oz.

I have enough problems with the present to think about the past.
Tim

I believe lid/liners are generic and as Tom stated, one can use the 13.5oz in a 28oz cup.

You'll have chance, either you use 6oz filter/liner in a 8oz or purchase a new 6oz cup.

 

[rnt80]

Can the filters be removed from the cups? I ask because I strain all my material beforehand.

 

[tjbnwi]

Can the filters be removed from the cups? I ask because I strain all my material beforehand.

Yes, very easily.

I strain the products and do not remove the filter.

Tom

 

[tiralie]

I strain the products and do not remove the filter.

Same here. Filter never caused any problem for me.
Tim

 

[wptski]

The reply from 3m.

Thank you for contacting 3M, where we apply science to life.

Unfortunately, currently the 3M™ PPS™ H/O cup is only offer in the Large (28 oz.) and mini (6 oz.).  The Midi liners will not work in the 16124.

I apologize for any inconveniences.

Regards,

Don V.
U.S. Business Services Operations
3M Automotive Aftermarket Division
www.3mcollision.com
1-877-666-2277

So a 13.5oz(midi) won't work in a large cup.

 

[wptski]

The reply from 3m.

Thank you for contacting 3M, where we apply science to life.

Unfortunately, currently the 3M™ PPS™ H/O cup is only offer in the Large (28 oz.) and mini (6 oz.).  The Midi liners will not work in the 16124.

I apologize for any inconveniences.

Regards,

Don V.
U.S. Business Services Operations
3M Automotive Aftermarket Division
www.3mcollision.com
1-877-666-2277

So a 13.5oz(midi) won't work in a large cup.

I add to this, 3m stated there is no such thing as an 8oz cup/parts and never has been only a 6oz.  They have no idea where any vendor is referring to the mini as 8oz although I found one that called it an 8oz but its description said that maximum usable capacity was 6oz.

 

[brewster201]

Hello, I accidently ordered the regular 25oz cups and YES they will work in the large PPS pressure cup 32oz. I have the 3m PPS system but really find using a CAT Bandit 2 quart pressure pot with liners easier for me. I found it was heavy on the wrist with a 25oz cup. 

I have used the CAT Bandit 2 quart with poly liners for about a year and really like the setup,  I had contacted Tim Raleigh for advice on the PP and he was very helpful
The best part of using a PP is that by using a small air compressor you have full control of the fluid pressure and there really is no need to upgrade your turbine for gun atomization. I presently have a 4 stage Fuji and even had no trouble using a friend's 3 stage turbine for gun atomization.
No cup weight on the gun makes for a happy wrist and easier to get into tight spray areas

I have been using the Apollo 7500 and Fuji XPC guns but recently sold the Fuji and purchased a used excellent condition Accuspray Series 10 gun.
I did have some small problems with a tiger striping finish issue that turned out to be excessive atomizing air and or not enough fluid. All my fault not the guns or Lacquer
Tiger striping is an issue with dull and shiny finish marks on a flat surface, this can be really annoying lol

I'm using a 1.1 mm tip, 10.5# fluid pressure spraying Sher-Wood Kem Aqua pigmented Lacquer and ML Campbell Stainblocking WB primer

Thanks just my 2 cents and always on a learning curve

 

[wptski]

From 3m:

See measurements below. This would be the diameter of the Cup. As you can see, Midi would be the "middle" size and would not fit any of the cups. The Mini ( 6 oz.) and 3 oz. lids and liners will fit the Mini cup an collar.  The Standard (22 oz.) and large (28 oz.) share the same size lids, the 22 would fit the large cup and collar but will have a unfilled space at the bottom of the cup which may cause the liner to collapse if too much material is used, mainly due to the weight.  Large (28 oz.) liners would not work in the standard cup as it is too tall.  Hope this helps.

Midi 13.5 oz cup- 3 3/16 inches,

Mini/3 oz. - 2.5 inches

Standard/Large (22 oz, 28 oz.)-  4 inches

 

[brewster201]

Bill not sure if you have ever used the 3M PPS system but you can use the standard 22oz liner in the large pressure cup

I use these all the time with no issues

The space below the liner has no effect and collapses the bag as it empties

Actually, the smaller size is easier to handle than the larger liner

 

[wptski]

Bill not sure if you have ever used the 3M PPS system but you can use the standard 22oz liner in the large pressure cup

I use these all the time with no issues

The space below the liner has no effect and collapses the bag as it empties

Actually, the smaller size is easier to handle than the larger liner

I know but not much difference in price with the option to hold more product in the 28oz, if needed.

 

[wptski]

[member=60643]wptski[/member]

Bill,

Are you referring to the cup to gun fitting? If so the stock fitting has not been on any of my guns for a very long time.

On the G-Xpc guns the fittings are #10 3M PPS fittings. The T-70 takes a #18 PPS fitting. No issues with these coming loose.

In the video you linked it is an 8 once PPS cup. In that cup I can use a 3 or 8 ounce liner. In the quart cup shown in the previous post I can use a 28 or 32 ounce liner.

If you have not seen or used the 3M PPS system look into it. I would not be without it.

Tom

I got the mini kit and adapter which appears to be made of stainless steel.  Strange thing with the adapter, Roger Phelps  shows a #10 like you stated but the one that came is stamped a #24 which I thought was wrong.

As it is, Roger must have the wrong number listed on his site which I've seen before.  The adapter thread is correct!  The Gxpx takes a #24(3m PN 16110) adapter which has a 1/4" NPS 18tpi.  The #10(3m PN 16017) adapter is a 1/4" BSP(British) 19tpi.  Are you sure you have a #10 on your Gxpc and has British threads?

Looking again at your video I posted above, your using a stock Fuji pressure tube with a check valve, why?  I was thinking of doing that since I use push to connect fittings and the 3m PPS soft neoprene tubing is hard to connect to those fittings.

 

[tjbnwi]

I'm pretty sure they're a number 10 (or my eyes are worse than I thought). Did not check the thread.

Yes, they are stainless steel.

I use the harder hose push lock connector to check valve, soft hose check valve to cup. With the way my gun is now set up I could get away with no check valve, it makes a nice connector and does no harm. If your gun is stock you have to use a check valve.

Tom