Home-Made Sysport with Full-Extension Slides

[Gregor]

[member=53905]Gregor[/member] You the Festool slides might just spontaneously extend? In that case over-extension drawer slides would be better since, if installed the way intended, they won't do that. I have some I've installed correctly and some that I didn't. I have to reinstall the incorrect slides as they do spontaneously extend when moving the cabinet.

What I was trying to say was:
1) Festool drawers are more expensive than self-made ones from wood and (however deep extending) drawer slides,
2) Self-made ones do not lock against unintended extension when closed, the Festool ones do (green latch in grip hole on bottom of the front of the drawer), iirc.

The 'but' was refering to 'both options' which I referenced to 'using full extension or over-extension slides'.

 

[Cochese]

For those of you who have made cabinets like this, is using full extension or over-extension slides a better option than the Festool Sys-AZ drawer set for making this type of cabinet.

I can make a drawer out of 1/2" ply and full-extension slides for 25% of what a SYS-AZ costs. You also have the option of making them two-deep, which you can't do with the premade option.

 

[mike_aa]

......the Festool slides might just spontaneously extend? In that case over-extension drawer slides would be better since, if installed the way intended, they won't do that. I have some I've installed correctly and some that I didn't. I have to reinstall the incorrect slides as they do spontaneously extend when moving the cabinet.

[member=19734]grbmds[/member]  What's different about these slides that keeps them from extending when moved?  Is there a locking feature?  And, can you elaborate on the "correct" way to install them?

Thanks, Mike A.

 

[grbmds]

......the Festool slides might just spontaneously extend? In that case over-extension drawer slides would be better since, if installed the way intended, they won't do that. I have some I've installed correctly and some that I didn't. I have to reinstall the incorrect slides as they do spontaneously extend when moving the cabinet.

[member=19734]grbmds[/member]  What's different about these slides that keeps them from extending when moved?  Is there a locking feature?  And, can you elaborate on the "correct" way to install them?

Thanks, Mike A.

Mike - = I'm talking about regular full extension or over-extension slides I've bought from Rockler. The first ones I mounted in work tables do keep sliding out when I move the tables. However, I found out, after the first few, that "when I follow the instructions", they actually have a little sort of lip or raised part of the slide that catches when you close it all the way, so setting the cabinet side of the slide back 1/8" from the front of the cabinet case lets the drawer "catch" when it's closed. I assume this is intentional and, since I'm not a cabinet maker and haven't installed many slides over the years, I just didn't realize the importance of setting the case side of the slide back from the front the 1/8". Anyway the drawers I mounted this way don't come out when I move the cabinets. I'm sure a cabinet maker would understand this and it wouldn't have been a surprise to him. Sorry I can't explain it better. Anyway, all of the above makes me think that it would be a much better choice to create a storage cabinet for my Festools under the MFT using regular over-extension slides. Even regular duty slides I've bought from Rockler have a 75 lb. capacity ([size=8pt][size=10pt]75-lb. Comfort-Close Over-Travel Drawer Slides - Centerline® 757CC (14" to 22"))[/size][/size]. I don't think my Festools exceed that, even with the sustainer. I have found these to be excellent slides and very good for work shop drawers.

 

[JZ Bowmannz]

......the Festool slides might just spontaneously extend? In that case over-extension drawer slides would be better since, if installed the way intended, they won't do that. I have some I've installed correctly and some that I didn't. I have to reinstall the incorrect slides as they do spontaneously extend when moving the cabinet.

[member=19734]grbmds[/member]  What's different about these slides that keeps them from extending when moved?  Is there a locking feature?  And, can you elaborate on the "correct" way to install them?

Thanks, Mike A.

Mike - = I'm talking about regular full extension or over-extension slides I've bought from Rockler. The first ones I mounted in work tables do keep sliding out when I move the tables. However, I found out, after the first few, that "when I follow the instructions", they actually have a little sort of lip or raised part of the slide that catches when you close it all the way, so setting the cabinet side of the slide back 1/8" from the front of the cabinet case lets the drawer "catch" when it's closed. I assume this is intentional and, since I'm not a cabinet maker and haven't installed many slides over the years, I just didn't realize the importance of setting the case side of the slide back from the front the 1/8". Anyway the drawers I mounted this way don't come out when I move the cabinets. I'm sure a cabinet maker would understand this and it wouldn't have been a surprise to him. Sorry I can't explain it better. Anyway, all of the above makes me think that it would be a much better choice to create a storage cabinet for my Festools under the MFT using regular over-extension slides. Even regular duty slides I've bought from Rockler have a 75 lb. capacity ([size=8pt][size=10pt]75-lb. Comfort-Close Over-Travel Drawer Slides - Centerline® 757CC (14" to 22"))[/size][/size]. I don't think my Festools exceed that, even with the Systainer. I have found these to be excellent slides and very good for work shop drawers.

Push-open drawer slides

They lock in place, and push open.

 

[mike_aa]

[member=19734]grbmds[/member]  Thanks for the explanation, it's good to know about that feature.  I guess it pays to read the instructions!  Not something i always do. LOL

[member=25829]JZ Bowmannz[/member]  Those look like a good slide at about the same price as others I've seen on eBay without the self-close feature.

Thanks!

Mike A.

 

[grbmds]

......the Festool slides might just spontaneously extend? In that case over-extension drawer slides would be better since, if installed the way intended, they won't do that. I have some I've installed correctly and some that I didn't. I have to reinstall the incorrect slides as they do spontaneously extend when moving the cabinet.

[member=19734]grbmds[/member]  What's different about these slides that keeps them from extending when moved?  Is there a locking feature?  And, can you elaborate on the "correct" way to install them?

Thanks, Mike A.

Mike - = I'm talking about regular full extension or over-extension slides I've bought from Rockler. The first ones I mounted in work tables do keep sliding out when I move the tables. However, I found out, after the first few, that "when I follow the instructions", they actually have a little sort of lip or raised part of the slide that catches when you close it all the way, so setting the cabinet side of the slide back 1/8" from the front of the cabinet case lets the drawer "catch" when it's closed. I assume this is intentional and, since I'm not a cabinet maker and haven't installed many slides over the years, I just didn't realize the importance of setting the case side of the slide back from the front the 1/8". Anyway the drawers I mounted this way don't come out when I move the cabinets. I'm sure a cabinet maker would understand this and it wouldn't have been a surprise to him. Sorry I can't explain it better. Anyway, all of the above makes me think that it would be a much better choice to create a storage cabinet for my Festools under the MFT using regular over-extension slides. Even regular duty slides I've bought from Rockler have a 75 lb. capacity ([size=8pt][size=10pt]75-lb. Comfort-Close Over-Travel Drawer Slides - Centerline® 757CC (14" to 22"))[/size][/size]. I don't think my Festools exceed that, even with the Systainer. I have found these to be excellent slides and very good for work shop drawers.

Push-open drawer slides

They lock in place, and push open.

Much, much more expensive than the Centerline slides from Rockler. Maybe they are better than the Centerline slides, but it is for the workshop and they are heavy duty enough to last a long time (maybe forever). No need to buy higher priced slides in my opinion.

 

[Cochese]

If you want an even cheaper option, look at the KV TT100 slides from WWhardware.com. I use these almost exclusively.

 

[rst]

I bought the slides I use  from Ebay.  Over extension, have a rubber locking tab at the rear of the slide.  10 sets for $50.00  8020 quick frame material and 12X16 with 2" legs 18ga steel u channel.  I cut out the recess' for the sys feet with angle grinder and Milwaukee file sander.

 

[JZ Bowmannz]

Push-open drawer slides

They lock in place, and push open.

Much, much more expensive than the Centerline slides from Rockler. Maybe they are better than the Centerline slides, but it is for the workshop and they are heavy duty enough to last a long time (maybe forever). No need to buy higher priced slides in my opinion.

The price is for 10 sets, not for one set.

 

[mike_aa]

Push-open drawer slides

They lock in place, and push open.

Much, much more expensive than the Centerline slides from Rockler. Maybe they are better than the Centerline slides, but it is for the workshop and they are heavy duty enough to last a long time (maybe forever). No need to buy higher priced slides in my opinion.

[member=19734]grbmds[/member]

When I first looked at the link, I also couldn't believe the price.  Then I realized that $52.99 was for ten pairs of slides, not just one.  That's almost as cheap as the ones on eBay that don't have the push open feature.

Mike A.

 

[grbmds]

Will full extension slides permit opening the sustainer tops completely when fully extended or are over extension slides required for that? That is a great price as long as the slides slide smoothly don't have a high degree of failure.

 

[JZ Bowmannz]

Will full extension slides permit opening the Systainer tops completely when fully extended or are over extension slides required for that? That is a great price as long as the slides slide smoothly don't have a high degree of failure.

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[grbmds]

Will full extension slides permit opening the Systainer tops completely when fully extended or are over extension slides required for that? That is a great price as long as the slides slide smoothly don't have a high degree of failure.

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@JZ Bowman  Are those the referenced slides? So full extension? Sorry, it's difficult to tell from the picture whether they are full or over.

 

[JZ Bowmannz]

Will full extension slides permit opening the Systainer tops completely when fully extended or are over extension slides required for that? That is a great price as long as the slides slide smoothly don't have a high degree of failure.

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@JZ Bowman  Are those the referenced slides? So full extension? Sorry, it's difficult to tell from the picture whether they are full or over.

They are full 350mm.

If you build the drawer front piece (red) and the slides mounted flush with drawer bottom as shown in picture, the systainer lids will open vertical.

The blue is showing the 1" over that I used in my first build sysports, the lid will open pass vertical. I don't have a picture to show the 1" over, will try to take one tonight.

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[JZ Bowmannz]

1" over slides.

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[grbmds]

[member=25829]JZ Bowmannz[/member] Which was better in everyday use? The full extension where you can open the top to vertical? Or the over extension that permits the top to open a little farther than vertical?

 

[JZ Bowmannz]

[member=25829]JZ Bowmannz[/member] Which was better in everyday use? The full extension where you can open the top to vertical? Or the over extension that permits the top to open a little farther than vertical?

I am not sure, didn't really think about that much, but seems like all supplies (fasteners, Dominos, sanding papers and Kreg stuff) ended up taking the 1" over set, because most likely I kept the systainers opened during the project time; All my power tools ended up on the full set, for two reasons, the drawers won't accidentally open (locking feature) as they get moved around a lot,  and I never had a need to keep the lids open so I didn't really care if they are vertical or beyond.

Overall, they both work very well, I like the 1" over a little better, as they are 100 lbs capability, heavier duty maybe, and full extension are 80 lbs I think, just a little lighter feel.

 

[grbmds]

The over-extensions aren't the push to open type then?

 

[JZ Bowmannz]

The over-extensions aren't the push to open type then?

I don't think so for this brand.

I've used their full extension, full extension with push lock and 1" over extension in the past. They are not Blum, but good enough for shop use. My fingers will get a little greasy from the slides, but a quick wipe on fingers with rag will be sufficient to clean off.

The ones without locking feature, they do have a rubber stop at the end so the drawer could provide some resistance before it slide out, but not enough to lock it in place.

They have many mounting holes along the whole length, but I never used more than three.