how is festool going to improve the impact driver?

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I have been told by a rep and think i have read it on here that festool will only make a tool if they can improve it or if it is something entirly new. So being as there are plenty on impact drivers out there some with touque control and fancy electronics i am wondering what will they have done to improve it? I donr really count centrotec as an improvement either.
 
Maybe put some sort of display on it to say the percentage left of the battery. I know a fee drills have this sort of thing but it would be nice to know exactly.

Darrell
 
The making it quiet has been done about 5 years ago by makita with their Hydraulic impulse driver But with the much higher price, slightly higher weight, and much less torque you must really hate the noise to consider one.

I think if they would only add the centrotec and the fastfix chucks it would be an improvement already. But I'm currently still very happy with my brushless 14.4V makita (and the old non brushless version still works fine too)
 
been doing a small survey of noisy wankers on the job site and their bloody impact drills and why they like them. they say they're small, compacts are smaller and easier to carry. they say they're less prone to stripping screws, yet 90% of the screws I see them driving are sunk too deep and stripped.  they say they're faster, yet my rinky dink little makita with an amp and a half battery has dusted every make in the studio when it comes to a head to head race drilling 4 1/2" screws into solid lumber. Impacts are far from my go to drill, in fact I got rid of mine. Festool would have to come up with something pretty fancy in order for me to even consider one
 
Centrotec would be cool for a Festool impact.  Festool would then have to make special tips for the impact as the standard ones might not hold up.  I already own and love my other Festool drills, so if they made an impact I would like to be able to use my exsisting batteries, have a centrotec tip and a standard 1/4 quick connect. So I could drive sockets and use impact resistant bits that I own.
 
hi
im one of those guys that love my impact.
my dewalt(havent used any other) will outdrive its sister non impact by at least 2-3 times. i often drive 50mm and 100mm screws. the impact will walk through them but the non impact gets bogged down and strips the head , it also doesnt have the power to pull the two pieces together.
when the impact breaks i will replace it imedietly no questions of cost it has to be got.
i hope festool make a good one as everybody says my one is crap. im deligted with it so the festool should blow it out of the water.
i use mine for hanging drywall all the time. i thought it would be crap but it is much better than the normal drill as it is easier to control as when the pressure comes on it starts banging it in rather than over shooting

the festool should be quiet, use the other batteries in the system, have all three chucks, really light.

if it has these fetures i might drop the dewalt and spash some cash(sorry make a stategic business investment [wink])
 
I don't mind that impact driver's are noisy. Sometime's it can be annoying when you are on the dog and bone.
But if Festool found a way to make them quiet, well then, it would certainly be a game changer.
I reckon every man and his dog would be lining up to purchase one.

More importantly for me would be

1. Weight. If it is too heavy, people just won't buy it. There's no need for it to be heavy. Great examples of light weight impact driver's are Makita, Panasonic and Hilti. I reckon Hilti would be the heaviest in this line up.
2. Good torque. If you have been using Makita drivers and then try a Hilti driver, you will know exactly what I mean.
Torque is everything, and the Hilti has it in spades.
3. L.E.D. lighting built into the body. I think Festool have finally saw the light, (pardon the pun) as the Festool CXS drills now have this feature.
4. Belt clip. Again, I think Festool have finally understood that this is a necessity.
5. USB 3.0 Port/Thunderbolt Port! Well you have to future proof obviously!!!

Looks like I won't get my hand's on the Festool TI 15 till March or April 2012.
Though if you live in Germany, it will be available in October 2011. (Lucky Buggers)

Of all the Festool tools, this impact driver could be a game changer for Festool. If they get it right...
Up till now, Festool has been a niche market, the best of the best so to speak.
This could be the tool that brings Festool to the Mass Market if it has the WOW factor. And a quiet impact driver would certainly get people's attention.
Of course there is that last little detail that I forgot to mention.......Price.
This will be the clincher, and if they get the price right, then the people will come.

Regards, Justin.

 
1 think that nobody has mentioned yet it that it must be faster at driver a screw than the t15/18 if no it is a downgrade apart from the lack of stress on your wrists
 
gotta sa i do love the feture on my panasonic where i can alter the torque. I would expect it to have a dial like the t15 to have a wide range of torque
 
Of all the Festool tools, this impact driver could be a game changer for Festool. If they get it right...
Up till now, Festool has been a niche market, the best of the best so to speak.
This could be the tool that brings Festool to the Mass Market if it has the WOW factor. And a quiet impact driver would certainly get people's attention.
Of course there is that last little detail that I forgot to mention.......Price.
This will be the clincher, and if they get the price right, then the people will come.

I couldn't disagree less. Noise would be hard to mitigate. The tool itself isn't making the noise... the vibrations are transmitted into the wood, and that's what's amplifying the noise. If you transmit a shock, it's going to make a noise. And even if they come out with a 'soft impact,' a price drop to appeal to a mass market is not at all in character. The people that see the value in the Festool line, and in Festool quality, will pay the price. Anybody can make a lesser tool, and sell it for less.

In terms of pricing, My only real worry is that they'll opt to make it centro-tec standard, instead of setting it up to use the regular ball detent 1/4" hex bits that every other impact driver uses. That would be a deal-breaker for me.  I have an old NiMh (fat handle) Makita impact that's still running strong, though it needs new batteries, on top of my C12 and T15. Not having to a) replace those batteries, and b) bring a whole separate charging setup, would be good.

I'm seeing either compatibility with C and T series batteries, or CXS batteries. A CXS/ impact set might be worth considering if they go that route.

Aside from a brushless motor and making it compatible with other Festool batteries, I'd like to see the following:

-Auto-on AND select-on light. Basically, a separate switch to turn the thing into a flashlight.

-A select switch for speed control, that would cut the speed in half, across the full trigger range, for more control. Blasting away isn't always what's needed.

-Bit storage. And possibly earplug storage.

-I do like the square drive on the Protool, and I think it would be cool to have a 3/8" drive built-in somehow, possibly underneath/ behind the hex bit holder. I do have a square drive bit that I use with my impact driver, but sometimes I don't find my bits where I left them, if you know what I mean. So, the ability to just stick a socket on the thing would be great. A centro-tec socket set is NOT in the cards for me. For that kind of money, I can keep replacing the batteries on my Makita.

-Drill mode. I know Makita tried to do a combo drill/impact, and all of the reviews I read said that the end result was really lacking in power, and thus didn't justify the high price. If Festool manages to make one that works, works well, and has power... this would be worth the price. I'm not holding my breath on this one, but it might be interesting.

-Something better than a simple clip to holster the thing. I don't know how I'd do it, but it would have to be good..even if they have to include an actual holster with the tool, in lieu of a systainer insert. This is not a tool that typically fits into the boom arm and MFT, portable shop kind of paradigm, where you have so many tools at hand in a controlled but portable environment. This is typically the kind of tool that, if you really need it, you have it on you, like a hammer, and it lives a life that is much more mobile. There aren't a lot of accessories that are required, aside from bits. So... skip the insert, and throw in a holster.
 
Hi James.
I am only guessing here, but I think we don't have to worry about Festool making the impact driver work with the centrotec chuck.

When I was loaned the Protool Impact Wrench for one week. The Festool sales Rep could not stress to me how important it was that I do not under any circumstances use the centrotec chuck with a philips head bit.
He said to only use the wrench square drive for what it was designed for, socket bits.

He stated that the centrotec chuck could definitely not withstand the impact action.

That is why I had to use 2 separate adapters and also the philips head. This meant there were 3 extra moving parts on the end of the impact wrench square drive. I used it for twenty minutes and put it back in the box. Way too many moving parts for my liking.

But I could be horribly wrong, maybe Festool have re-designed the centrotec chuck to work in impact mode.
I would prefer the tried and tested method of ball detent and 1/4 hex bits that every other impact driver uses.

I don't want Festool to re-invent the wheel. I don't want an impact driver with all the fancy fruit salad attachments.
I want a bloody great impact driver, period.

Justin.

 
justinmcf said:
Hi James.
I am only guessing here, but I think we don't have to worry about Festool making the impact driver work with the centrotec chuck.

When I was loaned the Protool Impact Wrench for one week. The Festool sales Rep could not stress to me how important it was that I do not under any circumstances use the centrotec chuck with a philips head bit.
He said to only use the wrench square drive for what it was designed for, socket bits.

He stated that the centrotec chuck could definitely not withstand the impact action.

That is why I had to use 2 separate adapters and also the philips head. This meant there were 3 extra moving parts on the end of the impact wrench square drive. I used it for twenty minutes and put it back in the box. Way too many moving parts for my liking.

But I could be horribly wrong, maybe Festool have re-designed the centrotec chuck to work in impact mode.
I would prefer the tried and tested method of ball detent and 1/4 hex bits that every other impact driver uses.

I don't want Festool to re-invent the wheel. I don't want an impact driver with all the fancy fruit salad attachments.
I want a bloody great impact driver, period.

Justin.
+1  i dont want centrotec as the normal hex bits can break with impact drivers so dont want to be shelling out a stupid amount of money for something that does the same thing
 
If it does what the Panasonic impact does  im happy if it does more im happier!    I have used the Panasonic impact and I have found it to be at the top for impact drivers!  Its really light and has enough power and the variable speed is handy!

JMB
 
I had a Makita And thought it was great, but then I bought the T series Festool. The Makita didn't seem to perform any better and was noisy so I gave it to a friend. I am not sure why an impact driver is really so much better. I guess I,m missing something.
I do like having hammer actio though on the pro tool.
Richard
 
richard.selwyn said:
I had a Makita And thought it was great, but then I bought the T series Festool. The Makita didn't seem to perform any better and was noisy so I gave it to a friend. I am not sure why an impact driver is really so much better. I guess I,m missing something.
I do like having hammer actio though on the pro tool.
Richard

hammer action is different to impact action.   

The benefit with impact its drives screws in with little pressure from the user  so especially in awkward places where you cant easily apply pressure to the back of the drill the impact is brilliant.  You hardly every spin your bit on the screw head with a impact!  You do with a drill/driver  which then makes you push harder to prevent further spinning.  Having a decent bit for the screw prevents this but with an impact you can get away with worn bits or bits which dont fit as snug as others but it will still drive the screw in no problem.

JMB
 
I've watched countless people strip screws with their impacts. Maybe I'm just too strong but I don't have a problem driving screws with a standard drill regardless of size. As of right now I use my cxs for the vast majority of screwing.

I'll shut up though....I'm just anti impact. 200 of the buggers running daily drives me batty
 
For me to want one, it better be quiet,  able to fit my T15 batts, and be light. Oh, and a Sys2 with attic.
I love my 18v litheon Bosch Impactor, the body itself is to me light, but the fatpacks are not. T15 batts are much lighter, I do have the slimpacks too so I do switch between them.
I have never stripped a screw with it, I have finished with the Impactor what the drill had started many times.
It drives GRK's and Spax' great, but so does the T15, yet impactors I will always have a need for one.

I wish they would come out with a 4-5pc kit with a circ saw and sawzall, then I would definitely be in. but that would be $1500+ lol

Realistically, will Festool be able to make a impact for less than $500?  I have less than that into a 5pc Bosch kit with 5 fatpack batts!
I like the thought of a Fessy impact, but price and compatibility will be interesting to see.....
 
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