How much practice does Domino take?

erikfsn

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Just got my Domino which I bought specifically to help me build a small cherry shelf/drawer unit for my wife. I bought a little extra cherry and ash to practice a few joints on, but then thought maybe I'd need to buy more practice wood and thought about picking up some cheap wood like pine.

I have a number of years of woodworking experience and am fairly handy with tools. Does anyone have any feedback for me about how long it took them to get the hang of using the Domino?
 
After reading a few threads here, not long at all.  Check out Rick C and Jerry Work's Domino manuals.
 
Minutes.  The Domino is so easy to use.  Just don't make every hole exact.  I make my first hole precise and the others a wee bit bigger.  You just turn the knob on top.  I would suggest playing with some cheap wood to get the hang of the Domino, but hang on, you will be a pro in no time.  I was making cabinets the first day out of the box. 
 
I can't believe it.  I found the chart that I think you were looking for.  
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Martin Johnson
Location: Lebanon, IN, USA
Member Since: Oct 2007

Domino Feed Rate Guidance
? on: September 11, 2009, 07:56:10 AM ?

When I am showing people the Domino...I almost always get the following question "How fast should I plunge the Domino into the material?"...Good question, but the answer is a little tricky and it really depends on a number of factors (Hard Maple or Pine?; End Grain or Cross Grain?; etc...)  If you use the Domino, you will soon get a feel of the right feed rate, but I thought this guide would be a good starting point for someone who is just starting out.  Adjust it to your specific situation and materials being used.

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Peter

 
Regarding slot/mortise problems, there is also a Technical Service Information Sheet which came to this conclusion:

Overview/Summary slot & dowel
For every specific application an optimal feed rate can be evaluated. Depending on router diameter,
milling depth, wood type, end grain wood, and so on a suitable mill cut plunge speed needs to be found
to achieve the best possible results. The following correlations need to be considered.

A higher plunge speed (mill cut feed rate)
- Produces a wider slot (B slot width).
- Produces a thicker slot (C slot thickness).

A lower plunge speed (mill cut feed rate)
- Produces a more tilted slot (D slot tilting).


See also the threads Domino Feed Rate Guidance and Domino mortices not horizontal.Anyone seen this before?I still love the thing!

Forrest

 
The Domino is very straightforward to use although you are best off reading Rick Christopherson's manual first and also Jerry Work's "Getting the Most" tutorial.

When using the Domino take your time, it is so easy to get on a role and then realize you forgot to change the width setting (DOH!!!) or set the wrong depth and plunged through your work piece

Good Luck and enjoy the new tool!
Dan Clermont
 
Just a few cuts should do it.  Be sure to check out one of the supplemental domino manuals (you can find them on the festoolusa web site).  As you already know, its always best to run a few test cuts on a new tool or one you haven't used for a while.

Here are a few random suggestions:

- never use your table/bench/mft as the reference surface, always reference off the top of the piece.
- keep reference surfaces consistent on all workpieces (e.g., always reference from the top)
- if working on small/narrow workpieces, gang a few up so that you have a large stable surface to reference off of
- if the machine 'chatters' or moves slightly, there has been a problem (probably a loose grip) and you will probably need a do-over
- do-overs are happily very easily accomplished.  just glue a domino into the bad hole, let it dry and cut flush, then make your new one
- its probably best to glue both workpieces and make the joint at the same time.  However, on a large piece, its tempting to glue all the dominoes into one piece, then glue on the second piece.  That can work, but be very sure all your dominoes in inserted all the way into the first piece before you bring on piece number two.
- there is a flat on either side of the domino that is aligned vertically with where the center of the mortise will be cut, use it!

Most all of the above advice is pretty much general good woodworking common sense, but it all applies to the domino, too.  

By the way, if you are making shelves, mark a line.  Clamp a straight piece of wood (a fence) to the line and reference the domino off that fence - easy way of ensuring nice horizontal shelves.
 
Somehow I've missed the plunge speed information.  I'm I reading that right?  A mortise made with a 10mm φ bit should be plunged between 6 and 8 seconds?  I've been doing in no more than 3.  I went out and tried it and 6 seconds seems like forever. 

I'd really like to know if this 6 to 8 second thing is how long people are taking to make a plunge. 
 
fshanno said:
Somehow I've missed the plunge speed information.  I'm I reading that right?  A mortise made with a 10mm φ bit should be plunged between 6 and 8 seconds?  I've been doing in no more than 3.  I went out and tried it and 6 seconds seems like forever. 

I'd really like to know if this 6 to 8 second thing is how long people are taking to make a plunge. 

If what you are doing works for you keep doing it. Woodworking is not rocket science, although some woodworkers think it is.
I have never timed how long it takes to make a cut with the Domino & I have no plans to start.
I just go by feel.

 
I'm with you.  I go slow and steady.  I had problems in the beginning by going to fast (like a biscuit jointer).  I changed my hand position to the very rear of the unit with majority of support being on the plate handle in front. This solved my loose tenon issues.  Been through a lot of tenons since with no issue. 
 
You can use your ears and sense of touch.  I wear ear protection, of course, and a vac is on, but one can still hear variance in motor noise.  If you are straining the tool by ramming it in too fast, you will hear it and it will want to jump around in your hands.

Furthermore, in my experience the type of wood being mortised is a key issue here.  Recently I used dominos to attach some thick maple edging to plywood.  So, I was going back and forth between mortising end grain of not-so-nice ply with solid maple.  A noticeable difference.

Mike
 
Okay, I've practiced a bit with a slower feed rate and I'm getting consistently better results.  I can't go slower than 6 seconds or I'll explode but 6 works very well.  Lesson learned.  Probably better for the machine too.  Thanks Peter, you're my new hero.
 
A quick tip I read on a forum is to microwave a few tight fitting dominos 20 seconds or so.  They will come out hot so be careful.
 
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