How would you go about making these LAP JOINTS

Intex

Member
Joined
Aug 16, 2016
Messages
168
I would like to make this coffee table base of 3" thick oak, glued up to approx 12" wide. To make the "X" cross, I was thicking that the strongest goint would be a half-lap joint in the middle of the base pieces, wich would be approx a 6" deep by 3" wide cut in each cross member.

1) Would this be the best way to make the base
2) If so, what Festool tool could I use? The miter saw is too small to handle a 12" thick piece, and I wouldnt know how to use the track saw? Any ideas?
3) The only idea I have is to use 2 6" wide pieces for the glue up, and leave a 3" wide opening in the middle for the half-lap ??

Thanks!!
 
Drawing of table included
 

Attachments

  • Round Coffee Table.jpg
    Round Coffee Table.jpg
    17.9 KB · Views: 620
Why not make the center a hollow column 3" x 3" - that would give you room inside to use lag screws or threaded inserts to attach the four sides of the legs.  Much easier to do with tools you probably have.  And it would not show to the exterior.

Getting an accurate cross cut on those pieces to make the 'x' at that size would be a challenge with a tight fit.  A large bandsaw could do it but you'd need an 18" or larger given the throat size you'd need.
 
I built a similar table. After 4 or 5 design failures, I built a solid square core and used Dominos to attach the legs to the core. This worked and was easy to do.
 
Birdhunter, that seems like the easiest solution. It then looks like I will be buying another one-off Festool Domino.
Did you have much trouble with glue ups , if using 3" stock?
I am also tooling around with the idea of having our lumber supplier do the glue up and cut the circle, but here in So Calif, this work is not cheap.
 
I’ve done a circular table, but only 1.5” thick. I laid out the boards as they would be once joined together. I used a very sophisticated tool to draw the circumference (brad, string, and chalk). It is important to draw the circle BEFORE cutting the mortises. You do not want a mortise exposed when you cut the circumference. Made the cut with a jigsaw. Joined with Dominos. Sanded to perfect roundness.

I did run the boards through a jointer and planer as the first step. It’s also important to do the glue up in pieces and not try to glue up all the pieces at the same time.
 
Picture a lap joint for this design if one of the pieces decides to cup slightly over time.  A simple lap joint makes it easy for the wood to move, and the glue joint between the side and end grain in the lap would be a potential point of failure.  For the length and width of your pieces, I would not use a lap joint without modification.  Here are some of suggestions for increasing the strength of the lap joint, if you decide that's still what you want.

(1) Put shoulders on the lap joints to make sure that all of the cut edges of the lap were captured tightly in the mating piece.
(2) Dovetail the shoulders to reduce the ways the wood can move even more.
(3) Cut 3" laps rather than 6" laps.  One board would be 12" wide with 3" laps on each side.  The other would be in two pieces for cutting the laps, each with a 3" lap.  Once the laps are cut, sandwich the first board between the second two boards.  (Use dominos to make sure the second two pieces are are lined up as precisely as possible when you glue them around the first piece, then scrape the joint smooth when dry.)  Again, using shoulders to define the laps would increase the strength, as would dovetailing the shoulders.

Alas, no one would appreciate the design complexity of the joint you had cut without turning the table upside-down.

All of those suggestions are going to make the project stronger, but that comes at a cost.  They all make the project more labor intensive, more complex, and more risky.  If you have to make money on the project, or you have a short time to do it, then maybe you want to stick with the quicker options.  But if you are doing it for the joy of it, and/or it's within your skill level, time budget, and risk tolerances, the extra work will result in a stronger table.

If you go the domino route (which I also like better than simple lap joints), I would still use shoulders on the joints to help with keeping the joints at 90 degrees and to make life easier for the dominos over time.

 
HarveyWildes,
No these are not for a paying client- my daughter, so I want to do it the best way I can, without risking ruining it, as the wood is pretty expensive here in So. Cal.
I think I will try the Domino method, but I am not sure what you mean by "Shoulders" on the pieces, if I would be dominoing on four sides of a 3" x 3" center post, I guess you would cut a shoulder into the top of one of the 3" x 15" legs and then a rabbet into the column to accept the shoulder ???
 
It looks like Im going to have to buy a Festool Domino cutter (My Porter Cable Biscuit cutter is useless) I hope that the model 500 will work out for pieces this large, because I dont want to get the model 700- just too big, Ill probably never use it again.
 
There’s a few ways this could be done.
Instead of four equal pieces for the legs, have a double length piece that will be two legs, cut female dovetails to either side of centre, then cut male dovetails to the ends of the two legs. With the top secured, this will be a durable method.
 
Jiggy, OK, since I havent cut dovetails without a router jig, what would the best/easiest way to make a dovetail joint to attach the north & South legs to the one piece East-West leg?
 
i'd mark out the shoulders for the narrow part of the dovetail.  Use your router with a plunge bit and guide to route out the bulk of the material. (essentially a mortise).  Then use chisels to do the undercut to form the dovetail.

A little time with a couple of handplanes and a backsaw would let you cut the matching pin on the two legs.

 
I simply do not understand the need for anything except a truly square central body and square ends on the legs that get Dominoed to the square central body.  A jointer and a planer will produce a square central body. There are many ways to square up the leg ends.
 
[member=62093]Intex[/member] Sorry, I should have been more specific. I mean join them with sliding dovetails, like for joining drawer shelves etc.
Just full dovetail channels/tails almost full height of the main piece, then full length pins cut to to smaller pieces.

I'll try and find some pics

Edit: Like this, just imagine these are your table legs.



 
I don't know how long the legs are going to be - maybe estimate around 30" from the sketch - but they're going to be pretty heavy in solid wood. How about making two hollow boxes, 12" high by the length needed, with mitered corners so that no end grain shows. Make a jig to cut parallel notches in both sides of both boxes for the half laps using a router, square up the bottom of the notches with a chisel and  slide the two sections together. The hollow legs will allow you to hide the attachment to the underside of the top.
 
Intex said:
I would like to make this coffee table base of 3" thick oak, glued up to approx 12" wide. To make the "X" cross, I was thicking that the strongest goint would be a half-lap joint in the middle of the base pieces, wich would be approx a 6" deep by 3" wide cut in each cross member.

1) Would this be the best way to make the base
2) If so, what Festool tool could I use? The miter saw is too small to handle a 12" thick piece, and I wouldnt know how to use the track saw? Any ideas?
3) The only idea I have is to use 2 6" wide pieces for the glue up, and leave a 3" wide opening in the middle for the half-lap ??

Thanks!!

You can use a Festool dovetail saw and Festool chisels :)

This is the joint you want ...

4a.jpg


A little more complicated as the cross is more oblique and, therefore, the saw cuts are angled and not square.

6a.jpg


As you can see, it is a lap joint ..

5a.jpg


More details here:http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/CoffeeTableForJamie.html

Regards from Perth

Derek
 
Jiggyjoiner
I think I will take your advice with a slight change. Since the legs are mounted 90 degrees to each other, I will do away with the center post, and make one leg the length of two reg legs, then put dovetails into each side of the center of the long leg for the two 90 degree legs

I’m hoping I can find a large dovetail bit for my router
 
[member=62093]Intex[/member]

Have you considered the final weight of this table?

I'm concerned it may be far heavier than you realize.

I apologize if that is your intent.

Just trying to be helpful.

Joe
 
Jiggy Joiner said:
There’s a few ways this could be done.
Instead of four equal pieces for the legs, have a double length piece that will be two legs, cut female dovetails to either side of centre, then cut male dovetails to the ends of the two legs. With the top secured, this will be a durable method.
That's what I would do. To simplify you could substitute dovetails with floating tenons.
I would not do half lap joint this size.
 
Back
Top