Impact Driver

[Steve Jones]

Terp,

I intended no critism of the products, actually own a few myself. yes he was a German immigrant and went back to germany to form the original company then moved back to the states as soon as he could, virtually took over the automotive electronic industry overnight, I think one year after introducing his magnetos they were standard on all US autos.

And yes (I think) you're right again on the jigsaw - I may be corrected by someone who's memory has not been as ravaged (or even savaged) by time as mine, but I think Bosch developed the first Jig saw.

Not sure about the manufacture of the Trion, you may be right - Festool is no more immune from pasting labels than any other manufacturer - but they do seem to prefer to buy the whole company rather than some products...

 

[graphex]

It seems to me that I find more information on batterys from radio controlled vehicles, ( I own two radio controlled hellicopters, but don't ask me how to fly them, I'm not good yet.) They seem to push batterys harder than any tools I have seen. Just my opinion though.

Me too. Electric R/C vehicles are very battery centric - and there is quite a bit of good information out there. Pound for milliamp-hour, Li-poly is about as good as you can get these days, and they are also good for brushless motors because they can put out lots of current. But get a LiPo battery too exhausted or too charged or sometimes look at it wrong and kablammo - just like all those exploding laptops, etc.

I've got a flying wing which takes 1600mah NiMH batteries that look like  a bunch of shrink-wrapped AAs, and a helicopter which takes a small 800mah Li-poly, which I can't fly either. I was a student pilot of real airplanes until recently (coincidentally I ran out of money soon after buying my first Festool...) and got a good idea of the rivalry between rotorcraft pilots and fixed-wing pilots. Helicopters don't really fly, they're just so ugly the ground repels them!

 

[Michael Kellough]

....but I think Bosch developed the first Jig saw.

The story of the jigsaw is even more interesting than you think. I remembered that my first Bosch jigsaw said it was made by Scintilla in Switzerland so I Googled that.

 

[Terp]

Steve,
  Great stuff.  Thanks for the link.  I remember the Clic lock when it came out.  What an improvement over the set screws that used to hold the blades.  I still have a few of the skinny slotted screw drivers that came with the saws back then.  I used to buy the screws in bags of ten to be able to replace them when they disappeared.  One old man who worked for me always lost that screw! 

 

[pteubel]

Helicopters don't really fly, they're just so ugly the ground repels them!

ROTFLMAO!!! Best one I heard yet.

Before this my favorite was: "If God meant for helicopters to fly, he would have given them wings."

 

[robtonya]

my helicopter must be pretty good looking then, it loves the ground. ;D ;D

 

[Dave Ronyak]

Helicopters don't really fly, they're just so ugly the ground repels them!

ROTFLMAO!!! Best one I heard yet.

Before this my favorite was: "If God meant for helicopters to fly, he would have given them wings."

That's why their official classification is "rotary wing aircraft" as contrasted with "fixed wing aircraft."

Dave R.

 

[Blouis79]

But Bosch makes Li-Ion power tools and it's German.

Just cause his last name sounds german, does not make the products german....

Robert Bosch Tool Corporation is composed of industry-leading brands, including Bosch, Skil, Dremel, RotoZip, Vermont American and Gilmour.  and is based in
Mount Prospect, IL.

First manufacturing plant was opened in 1912 in Springfield Massachusetts

Research and development, manufacturing, and sales are based here in the states and have been since 1912 - yes they are owned by a german company - but the tool manufacture we know as Bosch is as American as those other brands listed above.

German man. German company. Owns a US tool subsidiary for US market. My Bosch cordless hammer drill is a Swiss product.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boschhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_GmbH

 

[Steve Jones]

Your comment seems to be arguing with my statement - read ALL the words in mine and see if I didn't say the same thing you did.

 

[vteknical]

Helicopters don't really fly, they're just so ugly the ground repels them!

ROTFLMAO!!! Best one I heard yet.

Before this my favorite was: "If God meant for helicopters to fly, he would have given them wings."

Totally off subject here, but I thought I add a this for entertainment.  Flying RC Heli's is one of the most difficult skills I have ever learned.  With time, patience and$$$$$$ and some more$$$$$$$   you can fly as good as this video.  No.... this is not me flying.  The fun starts at 1:20 so keep watching. 

This is a Nitro  Heli


And Here's a Lipo Powered: 
Incidentally: This is Mikado(German Heli MFG)considered the Festool of Heli's



Enjoy

 

[jonny round boy]

Now THAT is impressive - I've seen many, many videos of RC helis flying, but somehow they never seem to capture the full 'awesomeness' of seeing it in person, but that video over water does. I think the combination of the reflections and the wash from the rotors really shows well on screen!

Warning - Severely Off-Topic Ramble Follows:

I used to fly RC helis too (a popular hobby amongst geeky woodworkers, perhaps?) but could never fly that well! I flew for about 2-3 years, and then on and off for a couple of years after that. I could hover & do low-level manouvers very well, but could never get the hang of doing big circuits - TBH, I  think my eyesight let me down - I could never see the helicopter well enough at long distances to know which way up it was or which direction it was going in!!! Although the 3D stuff is impressive, I preferred the relative tranquility of scale model flying.

This is me, about 10 or 12 years ago, flying an old Kavan Jet Ranger with an OS60...

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And this is a 46 size Long Ranger fuz, with TSK 5-Star mechanics. Unfortunately, I finally gave up he hobby around this time, so I never got to fly it... You can see the skids on my Raptor on the table behind, too! I must've buried that thing about half a dozen times - it just wouldn't die!!!

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[vteknical]

JRB,
Nice heli's you have there, scale heli's are another animal in itself, requiring even more attention to detail!

I too have been in the hobby a long time and recently(3 years) got back.  Technology is light years ahead now. I mean same concept, just better, lighter and more reliable equipment.  Using a Simulator really speeds up the learning curve, parts are much more reasonable, tons of on-line help info, substantially lower startup costs.  Great time to get in this hobby if you've ever considered it. 

Sorry to of hacked this thread.  The point of posting the electric heli video was to illustrate the technologies available with brushless motors/lipo technology.  Those are 620mm blades spinning at 2100-2600 rpms for 6-10 minutes. 

1 battery can cost 300.00-450.00 bucks. 

Think your Festool Hobby is expensive?  Maybe Festool can work with Mikado and release the Rotex 600. 

 

[robtonya]

WOW  I have a long way to go. I started trying to fly when my dad showed an interest in learning to fly a real one, so I showed him these, and we each got one. I haven't really messed with it since last summer, and I don't know what my step- mother will do with Dad's since his passing, but I am not giving up yet. This is kinda funny this thread started out as an impact driver, and ended up about helicopters. Sorry if I stole a thread.

 

[graphex]

Based on my performance flying helis, Impact Driver is still an applicable title...
I can't say the simulator software helped me - even with practice I crashed the simulator heli enough to make me want to go back to nice fixed-wing craft.

 

[lcc]

I think your all wrong about Bosch being the inventor of the sabre saw, it was Swiss" Scintilla",and Millwakee would like to take credit for the "sawsall"This was made and developed by the Aussies, along with the first demo hammer"Kango"

 

[score0matic]

yes i want one too.  however i would like to see one with a clutch.  the only clutch impact drive was a dewalt that has been discountnued .  im tired of breaking off screws.

I dont understand if an impact driver has a variable speed  trigger you can feather the torque to drive in Tiny screws.  I screw on outlet covers with my little 10.8 mak impact all the time.  it is perfect for that job .  If you were to chuck a 4" driver and hold it in your hand and just barely hit the trigger you can feel how LITTLE force you can deliver with a impact.

Craig

 

[wnagle]

Craig,

I do the same all the time with my impact.... and it's a Rigid.  It paid for itself the first week I had it driving sockets.  When I replace it, first I plan to try the T-15 for drilling and driving screws...it seems even more controllable and has a very nice electronic clutch system, then if I still want another impact driver, i will get the Panasonic with the brushless motor.

 

[ForumMFG]

I bought the T15 4 months after I bought my Makita impact driver.  I reach for my impact driver more than I reach for my Festool.  I only use the driver to drill holes, never to fasten. I bought it for the chucks and I do love the T15 as well.  To be honest, I think the Makita impact is the best one in the market.  It's got many great reviews as well. 

 

[Rob Z]

I fought the impact driver thing to the bitter end  ;D , but finally ended up buying a Makita about 4 months ago.  Now I wonder how I ever got along without it. ???

I need to have a lot of cordless drills bite the dust before I can order the Festool drills. At last count, we have 9 cordless drills of various makes and voltages  in the company.

 

[Brice Burrell]

I too have a Makita impact and it's a blast for certain tasks. I just can't don't like all the noise they make so I don't use it much. The T15s on the other hand, they're hard to put down once I start using them, nearly perfect tools.