Impact Drivers?

[Nigel]

lol  when using the Festool drill kinda looks like I dont know how to use a drill lol!

but I was trying not to grab the wood  and I couldnt put to much pressure on the screw because the wood would slide away from me! I should of put a stop on the end really but I wanted to wood to be as free as possible to really demonstrate the power transfer difference between driver and impact!

and as you can see clearly the impact takes the strain away COMPLETELY!   The wood doesn't even try to spin and I am hardly holding the impact drill and its driving the 400mm screw in just as quick.

The festool driver was twisting my wrist AND wood! If I had fixed the wood I would of just had more strain on my side.

JMB

You might want to try that in a piece of oak  [laughing]

 

[GhostFist]

Driving 12' long screws into ipe I'm sure is a great job for an impact drill, however for the work i do it's rare that i need to do so.

 

[Mac]

I thought I would just demonstrate one of the MAIN benefits to IMPACT drivers.

I read to many people saying dont see to point in them they are to noisy  and that their normal driver does the job just as well!

Well this video demonstrates the power transfer from drill the wrist/hand

I used tanalised 100x100m timber 2.4 meters long its really wet so does have some weight to it!

This test shows you how an impact takes the strain away from driving a large screw in!

I didnt clamp or fix the timber down so you can see how much force if I had clamped the timber down would normally be transferred to your hands/wrists arms.

The force is SO great is actually spins the 2.4 like it was just a small piece of timber.

Impact VS Driver

JMB

Interesting demo this, JMB...I'm a hobbiest so have never used an impact, didn't realise there would be so much difference. Nice one!  [thumbs up]

ps particularly liked the shot of your nose which seemed to be holding the camera not long into the film  [big grin]

 

[Nigel]

Driving 12' long screws into ipe I'm sure is a great job for an impact drill, however for the work i do it's rare that i need to do so.

If you put any screws in you need an impact  [wink]

 

[Kev]

Thanks JMB, good comparison.

Shame your tools are so "used" - a novice just watching the video could miss interpret that as a straight Festool v's Red Nasty fight out!

 

[woodie]

That video was great, thanks JMB!

Well, I wound up purchasing the Hilti SID 18.  I haven't had a chance to really push it, but so far I'm impressed.  It seems to have plenty of power.  They market it as an 18volt tool but the label under the handle says 21.7volts.  I checked the spec in the manual, it's listed as 21.7volts too… hmm, Festools "+3" has caught on I guess [wink].  There are two different "kits" available, one with 1.6 amp hour batteries and another with 3.3 amp hour batteries.  Initially I wanted the 1.6 because it seemed so much more compact.  Then "Tim the Tool Man" syndrome took over and I got the 3.3 instead.  I'm not entirely sure that was the right choice, as the batteries are quite a bit bigger (and heavier).  Oh well…  Now I just need to pick up a Sys-2 for it.  Anyone know if the red ones are available in the US?

Here are a couple of pictures I snapped to illustrate the size difference between the C12, T18 and Hilti.

 

[duburban]

that looks sick!

i think your much better off with the bigger batteries. you can also build your 18v hilti collection now...

 

[ericbuggeln]

Woodie, you would have been excited with my Makita, but you should be really excited about that Hilti. Glad everything worked out for you. Plus Im gonna use mine a ton on this deck, Eric

 

[GregBradley]

That video was great, thanks JMB!

Well, I wound up purchasing the Hilti SID 18.  I haven't had a chance to really push it, but so far I'm impressed.  It seems to have plenty of power.  They market it as an 18volt tool but the label under the handle says 21.7volts.  I checked the spec in the manual, it's listed as 21.7volts too… hmm, Festools "+3" has caught on I guess [wink].  

Li-Ion Batteries are 3.6v per cell. You can't change physics even if you lie about it.

- The 3 cell tools were originally called 10.8v and now are called 12v by everyone, some calling it 12v max so they are not lying so badly.

- 4 cell tools are correctly called 14.4 volts by just about everyone but 15v by Festool.

- 5 cell tools are correctly called 18v by just about everyone except Black & Decker, including Dewalt, that are calling them 20 volts.

- 6 cell tools like the Hilti in question are actually 21.6 volts. Interesting they would label it 18. 18 what?

- 10 cell tools like my Bosch Hammer Drill, Rotary Hammer, and Circular Saw are correctly called 36v.

The Hilti with one more battery than the others and brushless motor should be more powerful than any of the others. Is it?

 

[Ken Nagrod]

That video was great, thanks JMB!

Well, I wound up purchasing the Hilti SID 18.  I haven't had a chance to really push it, but so far I'm impressed.  It seems to have plenty of power.  They market it as an 18volt tool but the label under the handle says 21.7volts.  I checked the spec in the manual, it's listed as 21.7volts too… hmm, Festools "+3" has caught on I guess [wink]. 

Li-Ion Batteries are 3.6v per cell. You can't change physics even if you lie about it.

- The 3 cell tools were originally called 10.8v and now are called 12v by everyone, some calling it 12v max so they are not lying so badly.

- 4 cell tools are correctly called 14.4 volts by just about everyone but 15v by Festool.

- 5 cell tools are correctly called 18v by just about everyone except Black & Decker, including Dewalt, that are calling them 20 volts.

- 6 cell tools like the Hilti in question are actually 21.6 volts. Interesting they would label it 18. 18 what?

- 10 cell tools like my Bosch Hammer Drill, Rotary Hammer, and Circular Saw are correctly called 36v.

The Hilti with one more battery than the others and brushless motor should be more powerful than any of the others. Is it?

You may want to reconsider that.  Also, the whole 10.8 volt actual (12 volt marketing department lying through their dentures) was originally claimed by having engineering measure the instantaneous voltage of the battery after it came off the charger.  I got the suckers to admit it to me in 2008 when I called their bluff.  Anyway, keep cracking open those different batteries and you'll see they're not all the same.  You can also check the technical data sheets on battery cell manufacturer websites.  Not too many companies make battery cells.

 

[woodie]

Just picked up a Sys 2 Vari for the Hilti. It was a tighter fit than I thought it would be but I think it works. Sadly, I couldn't find anyone that sold the Red Tanos Systainers in the US.

 

[tjbier]

Woodie, that thing looks nice! Put it through some tests and let us know how it does. I have been eying Hilti for a  bit now, one of my friends (drywaller) has the 3.3 AH screw gun and circ saw and cut walmonized 2x12s for his trailer,2x4s for the stake pockets, and then hung 2 rooms the next day on the same charge. I thought that was impressive, makes me want HIlti.  [wink]

 

[neth27]

Just picked up a Sys 2 Vari for the Hilti. It was a tighter fit than I thought it would be but I think it works. Sadly, I couldn't find anyone that sold the Red Tanos Systainers in the US.

It won't look like that for long  [big grin]

 

[neth27]

matches the rest (Hilti cordless circular saw at bottom of stack)

John...

 

[neeleman]

matches the rest (Hilti cordless circular saw at bottom of stack)

John...

Hi John,
Nice red systainers, on the label I can see images of the different Hilti machines but can still read Festool, am I right?
Here are the matching T-Loc labels which you can print on business cards from different manufactures.
If you want I can mail them to you directly.
I always design them for all my other tools which rest in systainers.

Just changed the fonts on the labels.

 

[neth27]

matches the rest (Hilti cordless circular saw at bottom of stack)

John...

Hi John,
Nice red systainers, on the label I can see images of the different Hilti machines but can still read Festool, am I right?
Here are the matching T-Loc labels which you can print on business cards from different manufactures.
If you want I can mail them to you directly. Although I still have to change the font to the matching Hilti font.
I always design them for all my other tools which rest in sustainers.

Cheers...... I should be able to copy those you have posted..

John....

 

[woodie]

Those labels look great! I was just trying to figure out how to do something like that. Would you mind posting the image again after you change Hilti text?  The red systainers look good too  [sad]

 

[woodie]

Woodie, that thing looks nice! Put it through some tests and let us know how it does. I have been eying Hilti for a  bit now, one of my friends (drywaller) has the 3.3 AH screw gun and circ saw and cut walmonized 2x12s for his trailer,2x4s for the stake pockets, and then hung 2 rooms the next day on the same charge. I thought that was impressive, makes me want HIlti.  [wink]

Thanks! I had the SFH 18 hammer drill with 2.6Ah batteries before. I don't believe it was brushless but I still got really good runtime. The SID should be even better yet, being brushless and 3.3Ah. If I get ambitious I'll try to make a short video on the SID. I need to pick up some 300mm screws like the ones JMB used first.

 

[neth27]

What are the prices for the 3.3ah batteries over there? in the uk the prices dropped from i think it was  £159 each to £69 each....

John...

 

[woodie]

I got mine as a kit, so I'm not 100%. I think I remember seeing them for $100?