In the kitchen again - pots and pans

I've read this thread with great interest and looked up som of the brands mentioned as most are unknown in Australia.

I'm not a cook by any means but enjoying cooking. I previously used junk teflon (IMO) then moved to Stainless steel pots and cast iron pan.

I've always longed for a "good", "healthy" and "sustainable" pan. I don't mind paying for something that is quality and works. This is how I ended up on this forum. Four years ago I would have laughed that I would spend some much on a tool let alone another tool to assist it (Rotex90 and Midi Vac). Fast forward 3 years and now I have a large collection.

My point? Festool has opened my eyes to quality products that I believe in. I have found this in cookware! Solidteknics. As soon as I heard about the brand I Youtubed and read - WOW. I love the philosophy and vision of this engineer - not a chef.

Anyway I have a 30cm (12") Aus-Ion pan and a 35cm (14") Sautese\WOk pan. It is half the weight of traditional cast iron BUT the incredible thing is that they are one piece! Thats right, the handle is part of the pan - not riveted or screwed.

I'm just a buyer and have no financial interest but my reaction to this cookware is the same when I saw Festool :)

I use my pans on a gas oven and it is unbelievable to cook on, non stick, very easy to clean, cooks with great control and the best thing - my petite wife can use because its half the weight of traditional cast iron.

Go have a look and let me know what you think as I'd be curious on your thoughts

Cheers
 
 
There's something immediately apparent in comparison to my own domestic culinary apparatus:  there's an astonishing preponderance of frypans being used in seppo-land, and remarkably few steamers....

Why is it so?  Don't you eat vegetables in North America?  If so, the how are they prepared & cooked?  Do you deep-fry your vegs?  Or microwave them?  I can't imagine any civilised race would still boil vegetables any more:  cave-man style!  Or do all the vegetables end up as soup?

What are all your frypans used for?  Frying, obviously (duh!) but frying what?  Meat/s?  Vegs?  If so, what?  Roots?  Pulses?  Leafy greens?  Salads (heaven forbid)!  Don't you use overhead or vertical grills to reduce fat consumption?  With all the ballyhoo about the conversion of monounsaturated fats (rapeseed, canola, olive & sesame oils etc) to deadly trans-fats @ high (i.e. frying) temp, surely nobody would still be frying meats any more.

Do you still roast joints of meat or birds?  If so, where?  Oven or Stove-top?  Do you ever use pressure cookers for stews, soups, bully-beef etc.?  Do you parboil (pre-steam) your roots for roasting?  Do you Yorkshire-Pud your beef?

I only ever had 3 stainless saucepans, but each has 2 separate steamers to allow simultaneous "intense" & "gentle" steaming of vegs.  Spuds (& occasionally swedes & turnips) for mashing are the only vegs that I ever peel & immerse in water.  Even then, I've had friends & family sneer & snigger at my "stone aged" cooking ineptitude.  I guess they're onto something:  boiled vegs are pretty bland & otherwise ruined from this intense nutrient leaching.  Great for soups & stews, useless for everything else.  Six years of boarding school has left an indelible legacy of intolerance of stupid or lazy cooking techniques such as boiling vegetables.

I still use the evaporative method of rice cooking too, in an old cast aluminium uncovered saucepan.  Ultra-low temperatures & always reliable consistency provided the volumetric 1-2 ratio of rice to water is observed.  In fact, I've disposed of all my old Le Creuset & Chasseur Cast Ironwear.  Not a single piece remains.  It's primitive, crude, difficult to maintain & subject to burning.  Not to mention ridiculously heavy too. 

Cast Aluminium rules, in my opinion.  2 Frypans large & small, (plus a tiny raw iron one for individual egg-snack fryups on toast), the small abovementioned saucepan for all those "sticky" dishes such as baked beans & other canned reheats, rice, scrambled egg etc., a medium oval casserole & a nice thick wok.  Where Aluminium is at its best is in its remarkable heat dispersion (right up the sides, unlike the alternatives) &  retention, dimensional stability under even intense heat, non-stick coating and lightweight easy care & handling.  Where it fails is in having handles that get way too hot in normal cooking (unlike the rest) as a product of its remarkable heat transmission characteristics.  Apparently it's all to do with how the individual molecular electron in the outer valency ring easily "excite" their colleagues & neighbours into vibratory ecstasy.  Other common metallic elements (Fe, Cu etc) have far more less excitable electrons orbiting in their outer orbital rings....

You folks in seppo-land likewise have some pretty weird culinary nomenclature:  what on earth is broiling?  An illegitimate offspring of boiling perhaps?  How do you grill?  Overhead  or side heat (like an oversized toaster) or on a "griddle" - what I'd call a BBQ plate, with the process likewise being called BBQing. 

Do you tend to deep or shallow fry or adopt the more contemporary oil-free method afforded by modern PFOA-free non-stick coatings these days?  Do any of you use any of those ludicrously expensive steam ovens, & for what?  Are they any good, or about as gimmicky & useless as I suspect? Is there anybody still using microwaves for cooking?  Is so, for what?

In all fairness, you'd probably consider our Antipodean culinary habits pretty weird too!  Damper & roast spuds in the ashes anybody?  Poached fish (in garlic, lemon & butter) from the top shelf of the dishwasher?  Spit-roasted Mutton-Bird fledglings dripping in fish-oil?
 
WOW!  Lots of questions in that one.  And everyone here will have different answers.

So to wade in:  I tend to use mostly two sauce pans and one of 4 skillets / frying pans.  I tend to use stainless steel if I am browning / searing meat and then finishing it off in the oven.

I have plenty of other pots, and pans, of all sorts of materials including cast aluminum roasters with racks and lids, cast iron, clay (Schlemmer-Topf), etc.  Pressure cooker, solve vide circulator, separate single burner portable stove, portable induction burner, and then my 10+ outdoor grills of mostly the charcoal variety but with couple of gas thrown in along with a pellet grill.  All tools that get used in my effort to have fun cooking (I hate to eat.)

Vegetables can be grilled, sautéed with minimal oil, or steamed.  I never use the microwave as the principal cooking method for anything but I will cook ears of corn in the oven and once done zap them for 30 seconds so that the core of the corn absorbs heat and keeps everything hot longer.  Potatoes are usually baked in my household.  Yes, on occasion I will fry my own fries and boil potatoes for potato salad.  Corn on the grill is coated with oil and then coarse salt.

Broiling is placing food in the oven close to the top element so that the cooking is only from the top versus baking which typically has heat from the bottom or top and bottom.

For proteins I tend to either cook them outside on a grill or cook them sous vide and finish them off in a cast iron pan (browning them only) or use a torch.

Pizza - a major food group here - is done in my household from scratch and favorite way is on the outdoor grill.

I personally do not worry about what I eat because I tend to only eat one meal a day.  My weight doesn't normally vary 3 pounds in a 6 month period.

Hop this helps although it only tends to reflect my personal habits.

Peter
 
aloysius said:
Don't you eat vegetables in North America?  If so, the how are they prepared & cooked?  Do you deep-fry your vegs?  Or microwave them?  I can't imagine any civilised race would still boil vegetables any more:  cave-man style!  Or do all the vegetables end up as soup?

Poached fish (in garlic, lemon & butter) from the top shelf of the dishwasher? 

Here's my preferred method...it also saves on washing pots & pans. [big grin][attachimg=1]
 

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I'm truly surprised the so few have mentioned pressure cookers.  I have two; one from Kuhn Rikon and an older one from Fagor.  Both are wonderful, but I tend to use the Kuhn Rikon more frequently.  They have changed markedly since Tinker and I were kids back in the Dark Ages.  My mom had one when I was a little kid.  I was upstairs in my room doing homework when I heard a loud "BANG" from the kitchen.  I ran downstairs to find mom looking at the ceiling which had turned orange from the carrots that covered it.  She was too short to get up on a ladder to clean the carrots off and wouldn't let me do it.  We had to wait for my dad to get home from work to clean the ceiling.  That pressure cooker went to the dump soon thereafter.  I still laugh about that scene.  [big grin]
 
Michael Kellough said:
Re reply #25,  [blink]

Hey Michael, I remember Car & Driver first did an article about cooking on your exhaust manifold 30-40 years ago. They planned a 4-5 day road trip in the Southwest and cooked every meal on the exhaust manifold and used the intake manifold as a warming drawer of sorts.  [cool]
Fish, eggs, chicken, coffee you name it. I think they even cooked rattle snake.  🐍

Obviously, a V8 engine gives you more burners than an I6.  [blink]
 
Peter Halle said:
WOW!  Lots of questions in that one.  And everyone here will have different answers.

So to wade in:  I tend to use mostly two sauce pans and one of 4 skillets / frying pans.  I tend to use stainless steel if I am browning / searing meat and then finishing it off in the oven.

I have plenty of other pots, and pans, of all sorts of materials including cast aluminum roasters with racks and lids, cast iron, clay (Schlemmer-Topf), etc.  Pressure cooker, solve vide circulator, separate single burner portable stove, portable induction burner, and then my 10+ outdoor grills of mostly the charcoal variety but with couple of gas thrown in along with a pellet grill.  All tools that get used in my effort to have fun cooking (I hate to eat.)

Vegetables can be grilled, sautéed with minimal oil, or steamed.  I never use the microwave as the principal cooking method for anything but I will cook ears of corn in the oven and once done zap them for 30 seconds so that the core of the corn absorbs heat and keeps everything hot longer.  Potatoes are usually baked in my household.  Yes, on occasion I will fry my own fries and boil potatoes for potato salad.  Corn on the grill is coated with oil and then coarse salt.

Broiling is placing food in the oven close to the top element so that the cooking is only from the top versus baking which typically has heat from the bottom or top and bottom.

For proteins I tend to either cook them outside on a grill or cook them sous vide and finish them off in a cast iron pan (browning them only) or use a torch.

Pizza - a major food group here - is done in my household from scratch and favorite way is on the outdoor grill.

I personally do not worry about what I eat because I tend to only eat one meal a day.  My weight doesn't normally vary 3 pounds in a 6 month period.

Hop this helps although it only tends to reflect my personal habits.

Peter

Thank you so much Peter.  Apart from anything else, you've demystified your uniquely North American culinary jargon for me.  So much for using a common language:  a couple of centuries of cultural divergence can result in quite a gulf.

Your broil, then is my grill.
Your grill is my fry-up.
Your Fry is my..... Deep Fry??
Baking & Roasting seem superficially synonymous.
All jargon of French provenance remain true to their origin (obviously):  sous-vide, ragout, sautee, bain marie, flambe etc.

It also seems evident from succeeding replies that, as I suspected, steaming is not a common food prep technique in the western hemisphere.  Australasia seems to increasingly take its culinary cues from our Asian neighbors, who have a long tradition of relatively low-intervention simple processes such as steaming & stir frying.  One glaring contrast is the north american concept of slowly reheating pre-cooked foods that are encased in plastic:  a successful means of preserving essential nutrients & widely used as a long-term storage solution for space-poor applications such as submarine crews etc.  In my opinion - yuk!  I like my occasional stews (Irish, steak in beer & mutton fricasee are favourites from my youth) but definitely never cooked in plastic!  I suppose it's more the concept than the reality that i find so revolting.  As a legitimate method of "haute cuisine" however, it seems pretty flawed.

I can recall pressure cooking from my own youth:  immediately prior to christmas (summer time in Oz) my mum would cook the ham for a strict 30 mins. only over heat, then wrap the cooker in every spare blanket from the household (a dozen or more) & leave it sealed for the next few days (3-5??) before opening it all up for christmas lunch.  I've never stopped using them myself, but mainly for cooking corned (salted) meats, soups & for softening dried pulses such as split peas, lentils etc. for soups, dips & dal etc.  The higher water temperatures afforded by their greater-than-atmospheric pressure allow remarkably reduced cooking times & energy consumption.  High temperatures can however destroy essential vitamins unless time is strictly controlled:  bring to the "boil", hold for one minute only, then take off the heat & allow to cool naturally works for all but the largest of ingredients.

I also forgot my favourite cooking implement of all:  a cheap cast aluminium non-stick roaster (baking dish).  Nothing I have ever used or seen before provides the consistently correct level of caramelisation of meat & veg juices that alloy allows.  That beautiful, uniform brown encrustation on the bottom & sides makes the most delightful, natural gravies with the addition of only ground semolina & veg water & without the intervention of any awful chemically enhanced, salt enriched artificial gravy browning agents.

I have all my life cooked on a slow combustion wood stove, supplemented at times with electrical appliances.  Never used gas, with the exception of camping stoves when travelling.  I don't understand the appeal of gas myself;  it's simply too harsh, too powerful for me.  Yes, temp control is rapid (almost instant), esp in contrast to the "laggardly" slow control of a cast iron firebox, but the sheer calorific intensity of LPG makes for a harsh, savage cooking experience that simply doesn't suit me at all.

Electric cooktops seem a useful compromise.  I have a few "dominoes" installed:  one dbl. induction ceramic,  one dual cast iron rings, an electric BBQ "grill" & a concave ceramic wok burner;  all Miele.  Maybe half of my implements are "induction ready" so I generally prefer the slower responding & heat retentive characteristics of the "old school" cast iron rings.  A gas afficionado would I'm sure prefer the speed, intensity & fine control of induction.  With cast elements I can shutoff half way through & allow residual heat to complete the process.  The induction wok burner is an overpriced but effective alternative to a cast alloy wok on a conventional ring.  I still prefer the latter.

What seems obvious to me is that wildly contrasting regional & national cuisines still seem very much alive & well, thankfully resistive to the seductive power of commercially-induced homogeniety.  Thank you one & all for taking the time & trouble to reply.

 
DeformedTree said:
The I6 gives a much more even cook with smoother flavors.

That all depends upon the amount of aluminum foil and the brand olive oil you use.  [big grin]

So factor in how the recent proliferation of variable displacement engines upends this cooking experience. I’m motoring down the hiway with a porter house strapped to the exhaust manifold and I notice on the Heuer chronometer that it’s time to “pull” the steak. Do I stop and let it rest? Or do I just take my foot out of the throttle and let this oven regulate itself by going from running on 8 cylinders to 4 cylinders?
 
Good point DT.  It'd slipped my mind entirely that each & every gas cooktop is simultaneously a deadly carbon monoxide generator.  That's probably as big a red flag as it's possible to have in one's household.  I occasionally hear of entire families (usually poor) being found dead in their homes from using a gas cooking appliance for heating purposes in winter.

I'm familiar with the concept of TV dinners, usually heated in a microwave.  However, this isn't to what I refer.  I'm talking about the "du jour" concept of sous-vide slow poaching &/or cooking (up to 48 hours) in plastic.  It's being presented as a new (despite being a 200 year old technology) trendful and beneficial form of restaurant cuisine.  To me it's wasteful & extravagant.  It nevertheless has appropriate applications, principally in defense & space exploration.

It probably also allows lazy restauranteurs to cut corners by having frozen or chilled single portions preprepared & packaged for immediate retrieval & quick & easy preparation on demand.  To my estimation, the very antithesis of haute cuisine!

Which brings me to ingredients.  Is it just an Antipodean concept that supermarket vegetables seem to be plumbing new depths in terms of freshness & flavour?  Oz-grown vegs were traditionally of superb quality.  Yet all I see these days is some barstard hybridisation (a veritable unholy trinity in fact) between a bland, tasteless uniformity, a distinct lack of freshness & alarmingly high prices for out of season long-travelled (even imported), supposedly "fresh" produce.

Those of you lucky enough to have tasted freshly picked home-grown produce straight from the backyard will appreciate the extraordinary contrast between grown & purchased foodstuffs.  Home slaughtered hens, rabbits, lamb (or preferably hoggett) & less than an hour old ears of corn, toms, freshly dug carrots or new Bismarks (spuds).

An almost orgasmic olfactory & gustatory orchestration.  For the meats, a light sear & the vegs an extremely light steam, a knob of butter & a spritz of preferred condiments will more than suffice to reveal those wonderful subtle yet intense contrasting counterpoints of aroma, flavour, juice & crispness just as nature intended.  Simple, minimal ingredients, minimal intervention in the "paddock to plate" process & the simplest & quickest prep.  Or no cooking at all.  Many (but obviously not all) home grown vegs in particular are both forgiving & conducive to consumption in their raw state.  Something that can almost never be said for their store-bought counterparts.
 
GoingMyWay said:
I just saw this 13 piece set of Calphalon at Costco for only $129.99:https://www.costco.com/Calphalon-13-piece-Commercial-Cookware-Set.product.100080835.html.  The shape and design of the pans is pretty much exactly what I'm looking for in terms of a replacement for my current 10 year old Kirkland set.  You can't really beat the price either.

I take back my recommendation for the 13 piece set of Calphalon from Costco.  I ended up ordering the set and it arrived on Friday.  The stock pot and the chicken fryer are smaller than I expected.  The skillet sizes are good, but the real problem is the handles are very rough.  I'm thinking of trying to sand them down a little or maybe just return the whole set to Costco.  Though I do hate returning things, especially to Costco.  I probably should have thought about the purchase a little bit more before I pulled the trigger.  Oh well.
 
DeformedTree said:
Cheese said:
Obviously, a V8 engine gives you more burners than an I6.  [blink]

The I6 gives a much more even cook with smoother flavors.

The boxer 6 provides a more evenly balanced roast, even with carrots and potatoes...  [big grin]
 
We have had Kuhn Rikon pressure cookers and cookware for about 20 years. Absolutely love it. It is like Festool on price, very expensive it well worth the cost.
 
Sparktrician said:
DeformedTree said:
Cheese said:
Obviously, a V8 engine gives you more burners than an I6.  [blink]

The I6 gives a much more even cook with smoother flavors.

The boxer 6 provides a more evenly balanced roast, even with carrots and potatoes...  [big grin]

So we are going to digress into the eating habits of Subaru owners  [wink]
 
DeformedTree said:
Sparktrician said:
DeformedTree said:
Cheese said:
Obviously, a V8 engine gives you more burners than an I6.  [blink]

The I6 gives a much more even cook with smoother flavors.

The boxer 6 provides a more evenly balanced roast, even with carrots and potatoes...  [big grin]

So we are going to digress into the eating habits of Subaru owners  [wink]

I assumed Sparky was just reminiscing about being a former Corvair owner...
 
Cheese said:
DeformedTree said:
Sparktrician said:
DeformedTree said:
Cheese said:
Obviously, a V8 engine gives you more burners than an I6.  [blink]

The I6 gives a much more even cook with smoother flavors.

The boxer 6 provides a more evenly balanced roast, even with carrots and potatoes...  [big grin]

So we are going to digress into the eating habits of Subaru owners  [wink]

I assumed Sparky was just reminiscing about being a former Corvair owner...

I may be crazy, but I'm not a danged fool!!!  [big grin]
 
DeformedTree said:
Corvair cooking: un-healthy diet at any speed?

Especially if the pushrod tube o’rings aren’t in the best shape. On a cold winter’s day with the manifold heater turned on, there will be a nice thin fog of oil on the inside of your windows and on your pot roast.  [sad]
 
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