Is a Festool router worth it for me?

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I just need a router for basic routing, edging etc. Dewalt makes a neat little router that plunges etc. but I wouldn't mind keeping with the festool system. Is the MK worth it for basic routing tasks?

Right now I need a router to add some edge detail to some outside corners of some wainscot and a mantle I built. Which Festool router is the one for tasks like this? These are the type of basics tasks I will use a router for, but I wouldn't mind a router to grow with as well. I like the idea of a small router for portability and handling.
 
I'd look at the 1010 or the 1400.  I have both. 

1400 gives you a bit more power and capacity for 1/2 inch bits.  But the 1010 is a sweet router that is up to most tasks.

Both will do dados, edging, piloted bearing routing, work with guide bushings for template routing, work with the guide rails, the 32mm boring options, etc.

Both are variable speed with strong dust collection.

I have the MFK 700, but it is more limited.  It's fine for edge detail but has limitations on visibility, attachments, and depth of cut.  It also is not a plunge router.

neil
 
neilc said:
I'd look at the 1010 or the 1400.  I have both. 

1400 gives you a bit more power and capacity for 1/2 inch bits.  But the 1010 is a sweet router that is up to most tasks.

Both will do dados, edging, piloted bearing routing, work with guide bushings for template routing, work with the guide rails, the 32mm boring options, etc.

Both are variable speed with strong dust collection.

I have the MFK 700, but it is more limited.  It's fine for edge detail but has limitations on visibility, attachments, and depth of cut.  It also is not a plunge router.

neil

Watched some vids on the 1010, likin it ALOT. Would allow me some room to mature with routers, and use with the CMS if I so choose.  [wink]

I always thought just a trim router was enough, but I know I will want plunge once I get more routering under my belt.
 
The MFK is very specialized. The 1400 is more powerful, and it will accept 1/2" bits. But for your purposes, I think the 1010 is the perfect choice. It's compact, light weight, many accessories, great dust collection, and--at least for me--a great "feel."
 
The 1010 is nice and light, but the 1400 is the real broad spectrum option ... both work with all of the various Festool accessories too.

(I've got both and I will get the OF2200 for the CMS soon ... noticing a pattern yet?)
 
I have both the large OF2200 and the OF1400 which is my most recent addition. I wanted the OF1400 for its ease of use and its full range of collet sizes. You may only be doing some small bits of router work at the moment but, believe me, it will grow on you as you gain confidence and ideas. The router itself may not be the largest investment you make in routing as a whole. Most woodworkers will tell you that the value of their cutters easily outstrips that of their router machines.

I wanted to ensure that whatever router I had as my 'go to' model could take any router cutter that I own - hence the OF1400. The OF1010 cannot take the 1/2 inch cutters.

The added advantage for you at this early stage is that you will be free to take up any sale deals for router cutters no matter what shaft size they might be.

Get the OF1400 - it is a beauty.

Peter
 
The 1010 and 2200 is all the router you can ever need, the 1400 is somewhere in between, doesn't have the guts of the 2200 or the lightness of the 1010. But if you look at it differently, you could say it has more power than the 1010 and is lighter than the 2200  [tongue]
Personally i don't like intermediate stuff that can sort of do anything, but not as good as the specialized tools.

For what you are describing the 1010 would be sweet.
 
I have all 3 Festool routers and a few DeWalt routers. The DeWalt routers are fine well built machines.

The biggest advantage the Festool routers have over the DeWalt is dust collection. The Festool dust collection is simply hard to believe. The Festool dust collection will save tons of clean-up time. The integration of the Festool vac and other Festool products like their guide system is an added attraction.

The Festool is a far more sophisticated machine than the DeWalt. There are many features on the Festool that contribute to ease of use and faster operation that are not built into the DeWalt.

There is a big price difference. You have to decide if great dust collection and exceptionally well thought out features are worth the extra cost.

If I were to own just one of the Festool routers, it would be the 1400. The 110 is light and easy to handle, but it won't accept 1/2" shank bits. The 2200 is like a portable shaper. It's powerful and very heavy. The 700 is best for trim work.

Also, make sure your vac is compatible with the Festool dust port. Larger diameter hoses are much more effective than smaller diameter hoses.

Be careful, the Festool products are like potato chips. It's almost impossible to buy just one.
 
+1 on the OF1400. It's the only router I have. I use it in the CMS, on the LR32 system, with panel-raising bits, anything and everything. It does all I require.

The only thing I don't like about it is the plastic dust shroud, it's fiddly and is sometimes hard to squeeze around the router bit or collet. The 2200 design is far better.

 
Timtool said:
The 1010 and 2200 is all the router you can ever need, the 1400 is somewhere in between, doesn't have the guts of the 2200 or the lightness of the 1010. But if you look at it differently, you could say it has more power than the 1010 and is lighter than the 2200  [tongue]
Personally i don't like intermediate stuff that can sort of do anything, but not as good as the specialized tools.

For what you are describing the 1010 would be sweet.

Word

I got a 1010 for its lightness and dust collection. I was using a 690 , good router but got real tired of cleaning up the mess after using it. 1010 does all I need for a HAND HELD. Now if you going to need a table mounted router. Id look at the PC 7518 for that application. Sorry folks. I just cant see or even justify a 2200 for sole use in a table.
The only regret I have, is a I have a lot (most) of 1/2 shank router bits and I am rebuying  router bits in the 1/4 shank.
 
The 1010 is a very capable router and has plenty of power for most things you would want to do hand-held.  It is light, small and easy to control handheld.  You can use 1/4 inch bits, which are fine for most things and Lee Valley sells some 8mm shank and Festool has limited bits for certain applications in 8mm too.  It also has lots of accessories making it very versatile.  I have it and the 2200 and it is a great combination covering the range of router tasks.  If you only get one, then the 1400 might be better suited to an all around router...but if you plan on expanding your collection and can see a larger router like the 2200 in your future, then the 1010 might be the better way to go. 

Scot 
 
To answer your question, without a doubt the Festools are worth it, just to echo the many answers here.

I think for that task you're looking at the OF1010 or 1400, which one depends on what size bits you need to run (both shank size and bit diameter). The 1400 gives you more flexibility in terms of shank size, tradeoff being weight. The 1010 only takes 1/4" or 8mm, and sometimes you just can't find the profile you need in 1/4"; 8mm bits are very difficult to source here in the US. I like the OF101 for the weight/handling, integrated dust collection, and just overall ease of use with accessories- you'll find it's quite versatile- you can use it on the guide rail out of the box (comes with attachment), get accessories to use it horizontally, etc.

As long as you take multiple passes, you won't notice too much vibration with good 1/4" bits (like Whiteside). When I first got the 1010 I searched all over for good 8mm bits but found them too expensive to import, so just resorted to high quality 1/4" ones.

If you ever need to run a 1/2" shank bit, then you definitely need the OF1400.

Good luck with your choice!
 
I think that bicycle chap illustrates the argument well. Quarter inch bits are always a compromise and limit the work that can be done with a router. However, 8mm ones are better than 1/4 inch but not available in NA. The best cutters are half inch and so it makes sense to have a machine that can run them. That is why I rejected the OF1010, even though it is a lovely little machine.

Also, cheap 1/2 inch cutters will last longer than cheap 1/4 inch ones.

Peter
 
I have both a 1010 and a 1400.  When I need the power I go for the 1400.  But for edging it has to be the 1010, as it is the only one the chip guard (SF-OF) fits.  Get one of those, an UP-OF Edging Plate and WA-OF angle arm and it is a joy to use for trim excess lipping.  The 1400 is too heavy, and you get covered in chips.

Anyway, you'll be getting the 1400 NEXT year.

Andrew
 
I had rather rejected the OF 1010 from the start, and I did make a big mistake on that.  The OF 1010 is a wonderful little router, especially for use with the LR 32 setup.  It also works very well with the Leigh dovetail jigs that come with 8mm bits.  The light weight causes no deflection of the guides.  I will admit to owning all of them, and recognize that each has a definite place where it shines.  If I had no plans for including  the CMS as part of my system, I'd agree with Sancho regarding the P-C 7518 in a lift for table use.  Given limited space, the CMS just works better in my situation.  The only regret is regarding the current constraint against using the OF 2200 in the CMS.  
 
I have the 1010, 1400, and 2200.  All are brilliant for specific needs.  In practice, the 1400 is my go-to router 90 per cent of the time. 

Two things make the decision even easier: you can return a Festool in the US within 30 days for a full refund.  So try it.  Also, if you change your mind a year or two down the road, in the US resale value for Festool is very high, often close to what you paid for it.

Also, buy soon, prices go up 2/1.
 
skids said:
I just need a router for basic routing, edging etc. Dewalt makes a neat little router that plunges etc. but I wouldn't mind keeping with the festool system. Is the MK worth it for basic routing tasks?

Right now I need a router to add some edge detail to some outside corners of some wainscot and a mantle I built. Which Festool router is the one for tasks like this? These are the type of basics tasks I will use a router for, but I wouldn't mind a router to grow with as well. I like the idea of a small router for portability and handling.

So far a lot of router experts have provided advice. Let me add some from my experience:

In late 1946 I purchased my first router. It was made by PC, had a 350 watt motor, took 1/4" and 3/8" shanks and weighed almost 19 pounds! That is over a pound more than the Festool OF2200 with its 2200 watt motor!

Back in those days the use of what today we call 'high-pressure laminates' were then still 'Formica' because they held the patents. This was before solid surface, so Formica was the up-scale table and counter-top surface material. At first the popular edging for Formica was rolled aluminum which fitted over the top and formed a skirt, held in place with tiny screws. The obvious downside was that the top part caught crumbs and other things, making cleaning the top effective.

Some of us young cabinet makers felt the answer was to self-edge the Formica. We built-up the edges of the counter top or table with one or two layers of 3/4" plywood. To this built-up we would glue (with improved contact cement) scrap strips of the same Formica used for the top, or contrasting Formica. Now came the fun part: We had to render the self-edging flush not only on the top, but also underneath the build-up.

Think of the joy of holding an 19 pound router horizontally with a pre-carbide straight flute steel trim bit. I always found trimming the top was much easier than lifting the router without seeing what I was doing to trim the bottom. Yet, with practice we did all that and made a lot of money doing so.

Okay, flash forward 60 years, to early 2006. That was when I bought my first Festool router, an OF1010, with a 1010 watt motor. I originally bought it to drill shelf-pin holes. By then I owned 15 non-Festool routers, including some designed for trimming self-edging. I had been using PC7518 routers for tasks requiring a lot of power and I owned many bases for the 7518. The OF1010 taught me that effective dust collection was possible and practical with hand-held routers.

So when the OF2000 was replaced by the OF2200, I bought one of the first sold in Los Angeles. By then I owned a total of 4 OF1010s which I found worked very well with the 1/4" bits I owned, as well as the Festool 8mm shank bits for the LR32 drills.

The OF2200 is in a class by itself as far as freedom from vibration. It used all the 1/2" shank bits I already owned.

My feeling and experience differs from some well-known FOG members. I see no reason to apply more than 1000 watts to 1/4" shank bits, since I knew from the old days that with good router techniques I could make money doing fine work with similar bits and only 350 watts. It has yet to be proven to me that there is any inherent superiority of quality in bits simply because the shank is 1/2" or 8mm for that matter.

I use 1/2" shank bits for tasks requiring more power than 1000 watts, so I do not own for example, 1/2" round over bits with 1/2" shanks.

Because I only work in my large shop and besides a 7 1/2hp tilting arbor shaper I own 5 sophisticated router tables, all using PC7518 router motors in lifts. The dust collection of those router tables is a function of the table design, not the router motor. I have used the CMS with the OF1400 in Festool classes and with the OF2200 in shops of pals in Europe and Australia. My opinion is the CMS is marvelous if you only own one router table that you need to carry to sites. For use in a shop with major plant dust collection high volume, low velocity systems, I prefer other router tables and see no reason to hang a plunge router upside down.

You asked about using the MFK 700 router for general purposes.  I own many of those. Each of mine is set up for a particular task, all involving trimming edging material. In Festool classes I have used the MFK as a more general purpose router. They performed well enough, but I did not find any advantage for general purposes over many other routers. Where the MMK 700 is most effective is trim routing. My advice is to find someone experienced using and adjusting the MFK and learn to do so before buying one. If you only occasionally trim edging, then the OF1010 will serve, but when you trim edging for a living an hour or more daily, you will understand why I buy them.
 
  Just to add my 2 cents to the already excellent advice you have gotten already. Only up until  about 6-7 years ago (can't find my older catalogs this moment), Festool offered the OF 1000 and the OF 2000. It was lacking in a mid sized router, capable of handling a 1/2" bit.  The built up demand was incredible and the OF 1400 sales proved it, and I'm guessing is still one of Festool's best selling tools - and with good reason.

The 1/2" bit issue is a real one, but may or may not be important to you, unless you plan to swing heavy bits in the future. Something else may weigh on your decision and that is the tool-free guide bushing adapters and chip deflector on the 1400, rather than screw-ins on the 1010. It's not a major advance, but a nice feature. Having said all that, I'm of the age and mindset of using the lightest tool  that can handle the tasks - without struggling or straining. The 1010 fits the bill for me, most of the time, but as a dealer, I have all 4 Festool routers in my shop. Most Festool users do not, so they have to choose amongst them.
I kinda pick my router, like I choose my sander. I tend to favor the 6" sanders. If I need to start with 60 or 80 grit or so, I start with the Rotex and switch off to the ETS 150/3 at 120; just smoother, lighter and easier to handle. Heavier jobs, or when I have to use a 1/2" bit,  I choose the 1400. Edge work, pin holes, really most routing, I prefer the 1010.

So, if only one router, I'd probably still give the 1400 the  slight edge, just for the 1/2" bit and tool-free ability and features.  If my answer is still a bit nebulous, it's because they are both so darn good!

Bob
 
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