it all depends.. but what yould you gravitate to?

[Knottys]

I asked this question a couple months ago and went with the domino but need suggestions once again and although ill end up buying both in the near future id like to get your opinion.

Id  like to buy either a domino XL or a 1010 router with mfs 400 and lr 32 kit/rail

there both approx  $1200.00

I suppose i don't need either but want both.  i have a domino joiner and other none festool routers.
I make my living from tables of all sorts, kitchen islands, butcher blocks, lately starting making my own doors. mostly basic stuff nothing ornate or too difficult.

what would you recommend? what would make my job easier, quicker or funner.

Thanks
G.

 

[jacko9]

G - I would recommend the Domino Joiner since you already have other routers.  I make furniture of all sorts including tables and my Domino is one of the first tools I use after joining and planing wood.

 

[live4ever]

The Domino gives you capabilities you don't have.  The 1010 gives you what you already have but Festoolizes it, making it faster, smarter, etc.

Domino sounds perfect for what you build.

 

[Alan m]

definetly get the domino. the routers will only do what you can alreaedy do but cleaner. the domino is a game changer

 

[Timtool]

for what you do you can certainly use both, but the domino should be the first one to get, the LR32 and MFS are two very specialised systems with limited applications. As great and helpful as they are, they cannot tip the versatility of the domino.
I also build all sorts of furniture, my domino is the kind of tool that helps me earn the money i can spend on stuff like the LR 32, which is more of a luxury purchase for me because i don't use it enough to have a substantial return on investment.

 

[live4ever]

for what you do you can certainly use both, but the domino should be the first one to get, the LR32 and MFS are two very specialised systems with limited applications. As great and helpful as they are, they cannot tip the versatility of the domino.
I also build all sorts of furniture, my domino is the kind of tool that helps me earn the money i can spend on stuff like the LR 32, which is more of a luxury purchase for me because i don't use it enough to have a substantial return on investment.

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but Timtool, if you didn't have the LR32, what jig/method would you choose for shelf pin holes?

 

[semenza]

Domino. You will assemble just about everything with it once you have it. 

Seth

 

[davee]

Definitely the Domino, but then you will still have two more that you need - the router and the Domino XL.

 

[Timtool]

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but Timtool, if you didn't have the LR32, what jig/method would you choose for shelf pin holes?

before i had the LR32 i used a homemade drilling jig consisting of a L shaped beechwood stick with holes drilled in both edges, and another homemade jig for drilling the cup hinge parts. Worked ok, but the LR, even though time consuming to set up, gives you spot on accuracy and a professional finish.

 

[Waka]

I think you should go for the Domino first, it's an amazing machine and even though I'm a hobbyist it gets used most days.

The other items on your list you can build up over time.

 

[Kev]

Assuming you already have something that cuts quality sheet (TS style) and something that cuts accurate clean mitres - the Domino would be next.

 

[Knottys]

Thanks guys, its unanimous.  I thought i may have more fun with the other tools and accessories but  i was wrong. Domino it is. 
i do have ts saw and a good mitre along with a lineup of ro/ets  sanders so the domino sounds to be the next tool.
i just was scared off from it thinking it was difficult to set up and use

 

[Kev]

Thanks guys, its unanimous.  I thought i may have more fun with the other tools and accessories but  i was wrong. Domino it is. 
i do have ts saw and a good mitre along with a lineup of ro/ets  sanders so the domino sounds to be the next tool.
i just was scared off from it thinking it was difficult to set up and use

I think practice is the most important thing with the Domino - don't leave learning to be the thing you do on expensive "production" material.

 

[Knottys]

Thanks All,

I took your advice and went with the domino set and  just played with for a half hour and its awesome i can see myself using it quite a bit, and its much easier to use then i thought. thanks to "half inch shy" and other u tube videos.  I just got one question, are the tenons supposed to have a little play  or should then be tight?
most of mine have some play is it the 10mm bit I'm using or just my hand not being steady?

Thanks
G.

 

[Alan m]

what kind of play. left ot right or up and down.

 

[PaulMarcel]

Hey, I know that guy...

On the 'exact fit' size, there shouldn't be a lot of play, but certainly there can be a bit.  To me, it depends on the Domino (the tenon, not the machine).  If I find one is a really snug fit, I grab a different one and it might go in snug or a bit looser.  They get glued in so you should be fine.  Depending on your local humidity, they might be too snug.  That doesn't happen here much (Arizona) plus I keep a bag of descant in the Domino Systainer.  If you mean the hole is really loose, maybe you aren't holding steady enough.  There is a learning curve for the Domino.  Have fun; you won't regret the purchase, at all.

 

[Knottys]

Its up and down, but like Paul said its probably a bit of me and the tenons cause some of them were nice and tight  and the  right to left on all were  great .

on a piece 1.5"x3" how many should 10mm domino's should i put on a butt joint

PS. love your videos Paul

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Its up and down, but like Paul said its probably a bit of me and the tenons cause some of them were nice and tight  and the  right to left on all were  great .

on a piece 1.5"x3" how many should 10mm domino's should i put on a butt joint

PS. love your videos Paul

Like Paul-Marcel was saying, work on scrap material practicing your plunging of the Domino and the fit of two pieces of scrap to each other.  There are plenty of videos on YouTube and written documentation on how best to use the Domino DF 500 and plunge with it.  

I'll just reiterate that you should make sure (like biscuit joining) that your workpiece is elevated off the table or extended off the table when plunging the Domino into the edge of the workpiece so you're actually referencing off the top face of your workpiece.  Place a firm grasp on the front handle down on the face of the workpiece and keep your other hand on the "tail" of the Domino near the plug-it cord and plunge.  That should eliminate any rocking motion while plunging causing an up-down widening of the slot.

When plunging the Domino into the face of the workpiece, make sure you look at the interface between the Domino fence and the workpiece so there's no tipping while plunging.

Most importantly, plunge slowwww so as not to break the bits.  Let the machine do the work.

 

[Knottys]

I asked this question a couple months ago and went with the domino but need suggestions once again and although ill end up buying both in the near future id like to get your opinion.

Id  like to buy either a domino XL or a 1010 router with mfs 400 and lr 32 kit/rail

there both approx  $1200.00

I suppose i don't need either but want both.  i have a domino joiner and other none festool routers.
I make my living from tables of all sorts, kitchen islands, butcher blocks, lately starting making my own doors. mostly basic stuff nothing ornate or too difficult.

what would you recommend? what would make my job easier, quicker or funner.

Thanks
G.