(It's here!) Just ordered a Hammer A331!

[mattbyington]

[member=45856]blaszcsj[/member] yes totally makes sense, thank you! That's what I was planning to do. I am hoping they are already flat and pretty co-planer. I think Felder checks them pretty carefully before shipping them out.

[member=11423]egmiii[/member] thanks! I just found a highly rated one on Amazon. It was $50 I think. My thought is it doesn't matter too much how precise it is as long as it's accurate - meaning if it is a few thousands off, as long as it is a constant amount off I don't care what the actual number is I just care about the tables in relation to one another, and to the cutter head if that makes sense.

[member=23768]YOGO100[/member] yes I did! Thanks! But I couldn't view the pictures as I wasn't a forum member or something (that's a little silly right?). I'll go sign up and read it again.

[member=6237]deepcreek[/member] thanks!

I jointed some cherry last night - looks awesome!

I found if I reduce my pressure downwards on the outfeed, I got less / almost zero snipe. So it very well could be my technique. We will see.

I have a call with Felder today and going to ask them about how and why they ship the outfield table lower than the cutter head.

Thanks all for such awesome help!

Hey PS - I ordered a custom Oneida air metal 120mm to 4" reducer, that just arrived yesterday - but on Saturday ended up going (on someone's suggestion in this forum!) to Rockler to get the schedule 40 PVC.

Anyone want the metal reducer? It looks like it's made pretty well.

Happy to ship it out for free (well you pay shipping but no cost on top of that) if it'd be useful to you.

I also have a Felder reducer coming today as well - we'll see if I use that / need that. If not you guys can have it too.

Matt

 

[egmiii]

If you don’t have a need for the Felder and Oneida reducers, I’ll gladly pay the shipping to get them.

I’m not exactly sure on why the outfeed table is set below the cutterhead, but that is the intended design across machines.

 

[mattbyington]

[member=11423]egmiii[/member] you got it - PM me your shipping address and I can get it mailed out - might not be until this weekend but I'll try to do it this week.

On the sawmill creek thread they said so that if you join boards together that are long, there's a slight gap in the middle and when you apply clamping pressure, it closes that gap and also puts pressure on the ends (picture a dining room table top glue up).

Which actually makes sense. So maybe I won't fiddle with it and trust our Austrian friends did the right thing

Sometimes you gotta just ENJOY a new piece of equipment instead of finding something wrong with it (me talking to myself!)

Matt

 

[rljatl]

On the sawmill creek thread they said so that if you join boards together that are long, there's a slight gap in the middle and when you apply clamping pressure, it closes that gap and also puts pressure on the ends (picture a dining room table top glue up).

Which actually makes sense. So maybe I won't fiddle with it and trust our Austrian friends did the right thing

Sometimes you gotta just ENJOY a new piece of equipment instead of finding something wrong with it (me talking to myself!)

Matt

I agree, especially now that you're not getting snipe.

 

[Alanbach]

Matt, How high are we talking (outfeed table above top knife height)? In my experience all jointers are set 2-3 thousandths high in order to allow exit clearance so that the newly trimmed board’s end does not catch on the outfeed table as it leaves the cutter head. I have never heard of a jointer set up to crown boards?

 

[egmiii]

Felder calibrates the tables at the factory to produce a slight spring joint. This is done by adjusting the angle of the infeed table. The cutterhead height in relationship to the outfeed table does not come into play here. As the previous poster mentioned, it’s done to allow some clearance so the edge of the board doesn’t catch on the outfeed table. At least that how I understand it.

I wouldn’t suggest trying to adjust the tables to remove the spring joint unless you really know what you are doing and have the proper calibration tools to do so. A Starrett 199z precision level would make the job much easier. I would also opt for a steel straight edge as well. Big bucks unfortunately...

 

[junk731]

Never assume that Felder sets their machines up for the NA market they don't. They setup for spring joint as mentioned. I've had 3 of their J/P's and help setup 6 others. Not one came from the factory without snipe when trying to do an edge joint let alone surface jointing. All needed tweaking and some alignment. When I questioned our Felder services techs all the said was it was within there specs. That and $1.50 will get you a coffee. There is absolutely no checks done on the machines between Felder Austria and your home, that's why they recommend commissioning. They come off the container, stored for short time and get shipped out. Get the proper setup instructions, the spring joint may work in some situations but really not very many especially when you get into larger and wider boards for glue ups. I've been on the Felder Owners Group since 2007 and J/P setup has been one of the constant complaints.

 

[blaszcsj]

[member=4907]kcufstoidi[/member] Are there setup instructions outside those in the manual?

Never assume that Felder sets their machines up for the NA market they don't. They setup for spring joint as mentioned. I've had 3 of their J/P's and help setup 6 others. Not one came from the factory without snipe when trying to do an edge joint let alone surface jointing. All needed tweaking and some alignment. When I questioned our Felder services techs all the said was it was within there specs. That and $1.50 will get you a coffee. There is absolutely no checks done on the machines between Felder Austria and your home, that's why they recommend commissioning. They come off the container, stored for short time and get shipped out. Get the proper setup instructions, the spring joint may work in some situations but really not very many especially when you get into larger and wider boards for glue ups. I've been on the Felder Owners Group since 2007 and J/P setup has been one of the constant complaints.

 

[mattbyington]

[member=11423]egmiii[/member] hit the nail on the head and thanks [member=4907]kcufstoidi[/member] for your view as well!

I connected with Ron at Felder today - he corrected me, I indeed thought the outfield table was set lower than the cutter head, but it's what egmii said - the indeed has a *slight* dip in it closer to the cutter head.

I went down and checked and I think that's right.

I just ran a few Walnut boards through, still getting some snipe.

I'll go take a picture to show you guys:

Let me know if you think this is normal or not - this is coming off the jointer and then the planer, down from 13/16 to about .625"

Matt

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[junk731]

Blazscsj. Yes there are and they are different for the various J/Ps they sell and typically not found in the manual. That's why I said to contact Felder service and talk to service tech. There is typically a set of adjustment screws for both sides of the jointer table. The fence side are typically hidden behind access panels and the out board are obvious as they a used in conjunction with the table lock down system. Others have contacted the right people and got the instructions.

If you see a straight line across your board about 3" in from an end and its a several of thousands of inch lower, that's snipe, both the jointing and planing operations can induce it. Thats why proper jointing must be achieved first. If you get snipe in the planing operation then its typically improper pressure roller adjustment.

 

[Alanbach]

[member=67555]mattbyington[/member] - hello! I was curious how things are going with your A3 31? Have you been able to get some support from Hammer and has it resulted in improved cuts? Also are you happy with the dust collection?

 

[mattbyington]

[member=4907]kcufstoidi[/member] thank you!

[member=66185]Alanbach[/member] I love it! I'm building my first piece of  furniture with it, so I'll keep you updated!

I did talk to someone @ Felder. I ended up not adjusting the machine.

Adjusting my technique helped a lot. Like not pushing down super hard on the infeed table.

The dust collection is wonderful!

Matt

 

[Alanbach]

That’s great to hear!