JacPac Portable Compressed CO2 Pneumatic Regulator Kit

[semenza]

Hi,

      I have the Kobalt unit. I figured that Jac Pac made it for them since everything about looks the same.  I have not used it a lot, but it has performed well so far.  Very handy to take on small installs, or even just around my own house for something quick. I have not used it for a real trim job.  I have not had a pressure problem unless the tank starts getting low.  I definetly like it.  I have a small (that little Senco) compressor too, and will take the CO2 system over it unless I really think I need a lot of shots.  I do not know how accurate the number of shot claims are.  You will want to have two tanks so that you can always have a full back up.  As someone said, refills are about 2-3 dollars USD at Walmart, Dicks, etc. I have been using the 9oz the 20oz looks pretty portable too.  One thing I like about this set up is that you can use any / all of the guns you want.

Seth
   

 

[semenza]

That gun is so small it just might run off of those tiny CO2 cartridges used in paintball guns.
Anyone know what the psi of those 12g cartridges is?

Hi,

      The psi of the 12g cartridges would be whatever the regulator is set too, just like the small tanks.  CO2 pressure changes quite a bit with temperature.  Tanks cartridges etc, for CO2 are filled by weight not pressure because of this.    I do not think the 12g cartridges would do well even on a small nailer. They simply do not have enough volume to give good performance once the quantity in the cartridge starts to drop.  For comparisons sake-  my paintball gun would get twenty good shots from a 12g cartridge.  A 9oz tank would give me 300.  Both with the same gun and velocity setting under the same conditions.  The 12g could be handy for a pinner on a small job , but you will still need the regulator and hose etc. May as well go with the tank.

Seth

 

[robtonya]

I would probably look to buy a used paintball tank first. I think I bought a 20 oz. tank for $20.00. I don't think it would be that hard to convert to run a gun.

 

[Michael Kellough]

That gun is so small it just might run off of those tiny CO2 cartridges used in paintball guns.
Anyone know what the psi of those 12g cartridges is?

Hi,

       The psi of the 12g cartridges would be whatever the regulator is set too, just like the small tanks.  CO2 pressure changes quite a bit with temperature.  Tanks cartridges etc, for CO2 are filled by weight not pressure because of this.    I do not think the 12g cartridges would do well even on a small nailer. They simply do not have enough volume to give good performance once the quantity in the cartridge starts to drop.   For comparisons sake-  my paintball gun would get twenty good shots from a 12g cartridge.  A 9oz tank would give me 300.  Both with the same gun and velocity setting under the same conditions.  The 12g could be handy for a pinner on a small job , but you will still need the regulator and hose etc. May as well go with the tank.

Seth

Thanks Seth, I did a little research via Google last night and was surprised that I couldn't find a psi rating. Technically the regulator has no control over the psi IN the tank, it simply limits the pressure that is passed through to the gun. But, since the actually pressure is so dependent on temperature and paintball guys are interested in shots not psi, it is more understandable now.

 

[Eli]

Yeah, I have the OZITO here, which is the same unit rebadged. I wouldn't do it again. Left the hose on once and lost a whole canister, replacing a canister I jacked the O-ring and had to put the thing in a closet while the tank drained, I was afraid to mess with it until empty. If I was thinking I could have at least chilled a beer with it.

I'd try the little Bostitch Trim-Air if I was in the States. There's also a guy who sells a regulator that fits on an HP tank, similar to what a diver or firefighter uses. I forget where I posted the links to it, I'll look elsewhere. Check ebay, he was selling them there.

 

[ccmviking]

I keep one on the trailer and have used it multiple times with good success.  It's not perfect but does what it says it does and is very nice to not have to drag out the compressor and hose for small jobs.  I've only used it my with Grex and Cadex Pinners (by the way if you're buying a pinner get the Cadex).

Chris...

 

[nickao]

I keep one on the trailer and have used it multiple times with good success.  It's not perfect but does what it says it does and is very nice to not have to drag out the compressor and hose for small jobs.  I've only used it my with Grex and Cadex Pinners (by the way if you're buying a pinner get the Cadex).

Chris...

Why specifically the cadex over the Grex, I was holding that Grex in my hand and it sure felt nice!

Nickao

 

[Forrest Anderson]

My perfect tool would be the Grex 23 gauge pin nailer exactly as is, but entirely self contained like the Paslodes, no compressor, etc.

I am sure its not that far off.

Late last year, Makita introduced their 14.4V Lithium-ion 23ga cordless pin nailer to the UK market, called the BPT350RFE.

Weighing 4.4lb (2kg), it takes 110 18mm, 25mm, 30mm and 35mm nails.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be available in the USA yet, but hopefully it'll get there.

Forrest

 

[ccmviking]

The Cadex can shoot semi-headed pins as well as the headless, and also has a handy little air blower built in the front of it that you can easily activate with your thumb.  It actually is nice to have.  The GREX and Cadex are pretty much identical bodies and supposedly made by the same place. You can't tell them apart as far as quality and most of the externals go.

Chris...

 

[nickao]

My perfect tool would be the Grex 23 gauge pin nailer exactly as is, but entirely self contained like the Paslodes, no compressor, etc.

I am sure its not that far off.

Late last year, Makita introduced their 14.4V Lithium-ion 23ga cordless pin nailer to the UK market, called the BPT350RFE.

Weighing 4.4lb (2kg), it takes 110 18mm, 25mm, 30mm and 35mm nails.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be available in the USA yet, but hopefully it'll get there.

Forrest

Exactly twice the weight of the Grex , to heavy for me. Really cool though! Once they lighten these type of guns up I will buy in a heart beat.

Nickao

 

[nickao]

The Cadex can shoot semi-headed pins as well as the headless, and also has a handy little air blower built in the front of it that you can easily activate with your thumb.  It actually is nice to have.  The GREX and Cadex are pretty much identical bodies and supposedly made by the same place. You can't tell them apart as far as quality and most of the externals go.

Chris...

Thanks Chris. I assume they are comparable in cost, about 200.00 ea?

 

[Norm St.Onge]

I saw these guys at JLCLive;http://www.turanairsystems.com/  but, woohoo, spendy is the word. About $700 clams. BUT, many more shots and some of the knocks on CO2 are cause for concern.

-Norm

 

[semenza]

I saw these guys at JLCLive;http://www.turanairsystems.com/  but, woohoo, spendy is the word. About $700 clams. BUT, many more shots and some of the knocks on CO2 are cause for concern.

-Norm

Hi,

        I was just looking at the turanair site.   The list of concerns for CO2  is not exactly incorrect but certainly overstated. Then again they are trying to sell there system.  In anycase some of the items on the list are debatable. And some are stretched a bit-  "must be used in a well ventilated room"  I cannot imagine how many nails you would have to shoot for this to be a problem. Maybe in some real small space like a closet, with the door shut, and for some reason you released the entire tank. Even then I doubt it.   
       "direct contact will cause a burn" Yup, it will. But it has to pretty much be jetting onto your skin, from a few inches or less.  Out of five guys playing paintball for several years, changing tanks several times per day I saw this happen once, and even at that it was no big deal. Nothing worse than accidentally touching a hot pan in the kitchen.  This is probably less dangerous than most of the other tools we use all the time.
      Extreme cold and heat will be a problem. But how extreme are they talking.  If the temp is below freezing or even a little above the CO2 system will not perform well. Especially for rapid shots. But it will still work.  You will get the same sort of thing for heat over 90 F. But it will still work.  I am thinking though that most of the use of a CO2 system will be in temperatures that humans prefer- heated and AC buildings.  Or outside in tolerable temps.
      It may very well dry up the seals if used a lot, I don't know. But it doesn't cost a whole lot to repair most of that stuff on a nail gun either compared to the price of the Turanair.  The gun warranty only matters if it is still under warranty.
     You do need to pay attention to not letting the bottles get too hot.  Don't leave them sitting in the sun. If they are in a vehicle keep them in a tool box etc.  Also they have a safety blow valve. Designed to be the weakest point and give way when the pressure get too high. Releasing the CO2 through a multi directional port before the bottle actually explodes.
      I am not sure why 13 threads make it impossible  for pressure to unscrew the bottle and 4 make it likely to happen. But- In my experience the pressure makes them tighter and more difficult to unscrew. Plus the bottle use a pin valve. When they unscrew te valve closes. Thats how you take them on / off to begin with. Maybe they are talking about something else. But I don't know what.
     I am not promoting CO2 over air here. And there are some safety precautions. But nothing any different than being safe with any  tools.  I just wanted to post this because it seems that Turanair is trying to put the scare into people and the CO2 could be a very useful set up for some people. The air set up is great too.  But it too has its own set of precautions to take. Also just like any other  tool.

        Not trying to rant just want to give some helpful info.

Seth

 

[Michael Kellough]

The Turanair bottle holds 3000psi and has to be filled by the Turanair compressor. I still want to know the psi of a CO2 bottle (and volume) and where do you get it filled? Or do you just buy another?

 

[John Langevin]

Another possible solution: Palmgren Hipshot

 

[John Langevin]

I can't beleive it! I just posted an abbreviated hyperlink on my first try and it actually worked, Dan you rock!

 

[Michael Kellough]

Another possible solution: Palmgren Hipshot

$45

 

[Eli]

Doesn't have to be the Turanair, this regulator will workhttp://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=194
with this tankhttp://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=194
I checked it out with Palmer via email, just never pulled the trigger. If you know a guy with a high pressure compressor or live next to a dive shop or firehouse, this is a no brainer. To answer the how to recharge CO2 question, you pay to swap tanks, like with propane.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Doesn't have to be the Turanair, this regulator will workhttp://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=194
with this tankhttp://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=194
I checked it out with Palmer via email, just never pulled the trigger. If you know a guy with a high pressure compressor or live next to a dive shop or firehouse, this is a no brainer. To answer the how to recharge CO2 question, you pay to swap tanks, like with propane.

Good tip Eli!

 

[robtonya]

The Turanair bottle holds 3000psi and has to be filled by the Turanair compressor. I still want to know the psi of a CO2 bottle (and volume) and where do you get it filled? Or do you just buy another?

I used to refill my tank at a paintball store.