Jessem TS stock guides vs Jessem Precision Stock guides

[Chris Cianci]

I have previously seen the Jessem TS stock guides on table saws and then the Jessem Precision Stock guides used on router tables. Recently I’ve seen the Precision guides also on table saws  Does anyone see any negative aspects from using the Precision guides on a table saw? Is there some functionality that is lost vs using the TS guides on a table saw ?What do the TS stock guides add to a table saw? That the Precision Guides don’t offer. The price difference is significant

 

[mwolczko]

The TS guides accommodate a much wider range of stock thicknesses, and you can get them out of the way in a second.

 

[Alanbach]

This subject has been discussed on this forum a number of times. I have both and my opinion is as follows. The router guides will work on a table saw but Im my opinion I think in that capacity they lend themselves to smaller work than the TS guides will safely and capably accommodate. Small pieces will be easy! It’s when you get ready to push an eight foot long sheet of plywood the bigger guides will serve you much better. They can be adjusted to stand proud of the fence by three or four inches (at least) thereby catching the leading edge of the sheet and pulling it into the fence. As the previous poster stated they can also be adjusted for thicker material and be swung completely out of the way in a moment, whereas the router guides will have to be removed if they get in the way (not that this is a big deal but it is a little more involved). Also, if you use the router guides and you don’t already have suitable t-track on the face of the fence then you will need to build or buy something to mount them to.

 

[Bob D.]

For me using either on my TS I think would have me modifying some jigs. I have a William Ng style sacrificial fence that slips over the Biesemeyer fence.

If I put the TS Stock guides on I think it might interfere. I know the arms and the guides themselves can be removed but the re is a track that you screw down on the fence is there not?

Has anyone mounted the Jessem TS guides using a couple of the large size MagSwitches to anchor them down so the whole TS guide can be removed by turning off the MagSwitches.

I have the router fence guides and they work great, I use them a lot. But I wouldn't want to use them on the TS.

 

[Max Fracas]

[member=60461]Bob D.[/member]

I use Magswitches to put TS guides on my Sawstop fence.  Borrowed the idea from a video by Dave Stanton (thanks Dave!).  Works really well.

 

[Dusty.House]

Not to side track this thread but has anyone used them with a Woodpecker fence? The t-track is too high for the ball to touch my table top....

Cheers

Ben

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[Chris Cianci]

Let me shout out a big thank you to all of you who’ve responded to my original question.  This is why I enjoy this forum so much It adds to my clarity and helps me make sound choices in my shop
Thanks again Best

 

[ChuckM]

If you do decide to take the TS stock guides, remember that you can also use the front guide as a stop block for making cross cuts with the mitre gauge.

 

[Mike Goetzke]

Not to side track this thread but has anyone used them with a Woodpecker fence? The t-track is too high for the ball to touch my table top....

Cheers

Ben

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[member=67145]Dusty.Tools[/member]  I have the WP Super Fence and find it only works for 3/4" stock with the feather board track . Never had the energy to make a custom setup for thinner stock. Looking for a clever solution too.

Mike

 

[Kevin D.]

This subject has been discussed on this forum a number of times. I have both and my opinion is as follows. The router guides will work on a table saw but Im my opinion I think in that capacity they lend themselves to smaller work than the TS guides will safely and capably accommodate. Small pieces will be easy! It’s when you get ready to push an eight foot long sheet of plywood the bigger guides will serve you much better. They can be adjusted to stand proud of the fence by three or four inches (at least) thereby catching the leading edge of the sheet and pulling it into the fence. As the previous poster stated they can also be adjusted for thicker material and be swung completely out of the way in a moment, whereas the router guides will have to be removed if they get in the way (not that this is a big deal but it is a little more involved). Also, if you use the router guides and you don’t already have suitable t-track on the face of the fence then you will need to build or buy something to mount them to.

I've had both types for years now and concur with the above.

I've never even considered using the router guides for the TS even when I only had the router guides which came out a year or two before the TS guides came to market.

 

[ben_r_]

Got em both too and the router ones are IMO just WAY too limiting on a table saw since they stay so close to the fence.

 

[Mario Turcot]

Has anyone mounted the Jessem TS guides using a couple of the large size MagSwitches to anchor them down so the whole TS guide can be removed by turning off the MagSwitches.

[member=60461]Bob D.[/member]
That's what I did
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[Bob D.]

Thanks Mario, that's exactly what I was thinking of. I'd like to do the same on my Unisaw fence.

 

[Mario Turcot]

For a maximum grip & stability, make sure the bottom of the magnet is flush with the board you are using. Both the 95 and 115lbs magnets are 3/4" thick.

MagSwitch L.V.

Will it hold it to the fence?
mag

 

[ChuckM]

Mine is bolted to the fence as I don't need it to be removed. However, if one day I do want it to be removable, I would not use the plywood base approach as it's bulky. I would think of a way to use the magswitches with some kind of metal plate that can be mounted/locked/screwed directly into either end of the channel on the stock guides. This way, the magnetic hold-downs become part of the guides. Anyone care to come up with a prototype?

 

[ChuckM]

Snip.

Will it hold it to the fence?
mag

The size of the shop-made switchable magnets could be an issue. Also after counting the shop time (my hourly rate is not cheap  [tongue]) and material costs (including the templates), I wonder if the shop-made magnets are really a lot cheaper than the commercial products? The concept is interesting, though.

 

[Michael Kellough]

For a maximum grip & stability, make sure the bottom of the magnet is flush with the board you are using. Both the 95 and 115lbs magnets are 3/4" thick.

MagSwitch L.V.

Will it hold it to the fence?
mag

The strength of magnets is proportional to the thickness of the ferrous surface. The rated strength is for a thick surface. Of course a higher rated magnet will “stick” to a thin steel tube better than a lower rated magnet.

I have a few of Milwaukee M12 led lights. They have a magnet on one side which makes the flashlight handy allowing it to stick to a steel tool cabinet for better hands free aiming but a couple of times I’ve stuck one to a cast iron drain pipe and the magnet stays behind when I remove the flashlight.

Sorry, this is all obvious, but the force of a kickback is unknown and highly variable. I’d rather have a mechanical connection in this case.

Or, are these things spring loaded? (I don’t have any) In which case, never mind.

 

[Bob D.]

"Sorry, this is all obvious, but the force of a kickback is unknown and highly variable. I’d rather have a mechanical connection in this case."

Yes, that's what keep me from using them in this application. Might work just fine for a long time then one day when you least expect it...Kablamo !!

Might be better off drilling and tapping the top of the fence for 5/16 or 3/8 threads or use a nutsert as there is probably not enough metal there to get even two threads of purchase.

 

[ChuckM]

Isn't the force of a kickback on a table saw mostly linear?

The whole idea of the stock guides is to keep the stock tight to the fence hence preventing any kickback that even the riving knife may not prevent.

Could someone please explain under what circumstances that the use of the stock guides with a riving knife would still result in a kickback? And also in the very unlikely event that kickback happens, why the linear force would cause the stock guides to dislodge even though it is securely mounted on the saw fence with the magswitches  (95lbs x 2 or 155 lbs x 2).

 

[ben_r_]

Yea I never liked the idea of the magnets. I had no issues screwing the Jessem TS Stock Guides into the fence of my SawStop PCS. Seemed a whole lot safer and secure to me.