Don't understand why a company can't be liked or disliked. Obviously there are those here who like or dislike companies.
Peter
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Hey Kev, you and Holmz have a special relationship. Maybe you can convince Holmz to set up a distribution network there. He has knowledge of the brand, obviously highly intelligent and is certainly a believer in their products.
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Svar said:
[member=15585]Svar[/member] I didn't say I didn't like them because they didn't have a presence in Australia. I'm not a complete idiot.
The way they handled the response was my issue, as I very clearly explained in the very same paragraph you quoted.
Not all companies are global ... you don't say, I never realised that [wink] [big grin]
... and just for the record though - I can dislike a company for absolutely any reason I choose. In fact I think I'll hate any organisation who's CEO is named Roger ... TAKE THAT!!!
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Peter Halle said:
I am not sure [member=13058]Kev[/member] and my relationship that special, but he seems to tolerate me, and I can be difficult... So I guess that makes it somewhat special [embarassed]
I see your subtly and sarckiness (Aussy for sarcasm) is getting better. [wink]
As a brand I have not personally found anything that is not first rate, but I skipped their 150-mm RO sander and got a Mirka.
But that said I do not have access to tools to do my own comparisons easily, so I have to rely on a lot web searches and they all can have bias. Then you add in my own confirmation bias and it makes doing accurate assessments somewhat of a challenge.
However in Australia, like the rest of the world (except Japan and a few smaller countries) the voltage is 230v/50-Hz; and this really becomes a game changer in terms of what tools one can choose from. Basically one either uses an Au-Eu cheater or some other method for getting the wall power into the tools, and you're done.
In the US it is a more difficult with 110v and the good Festool distribution, so it is takes a lot more chin-scratching. And it is not apparent that Mafell is always the correct answer, especially when one already has Festool rails.
Tool Nut must believe that they have a market, and they are not dummies there.
Lastly we could also go down a rabbit hole on whether the DD40 or the Lamello Zeta-P2 is better than a Domino...
They all have some overlap, but they also have distinct niche areas where they excel. (32-mm holes, sheet-goods, and joinery respectively). It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to see this, and it also is reasonable to use a Domino for Zeta stuff when one has a Domino and only few joints to make.
So one basically needs to think long-n-hard about what they are doing and what is ideal, weighted up with what they have and what they are doing. Starting from scratch can be a lot easier.
All that said the DX93, MFT, and Dominos are unique.
The ETS EC is very good (probably Mirka inspired).
After that it is preference between FT and other manufacturers offerings.
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Kev said:
Is he stable? Does he need to be put on the no fly list? These are serious questions from a Norton owner to a Triumph restorer.
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Cheese said:
Stable? Not at all - he lives in the middle of Australia and is mostly timid unless you try and forcibly remove his aluminium foil hat or take away his 1974 Staedtler clutch pencil ...
... but his only a danger to himself [wink] [big grin]
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That is awesome news. I love Mafell tools...expensive, but the saws I have are just amazing!
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Shane sure has been mum on this. I wonder if Toolnut is going to carry there full line of tools the only thing that has kept me buying any Mafell is having only one dealer here in the US. May be time to rethink that.
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Rollin22Petes said:
Out of respect for Festool, I don't think it's appropriate for me to discuss other brands here on the forum. Plus, it's against the rules (that I wrote) for the forum.
We do plan to expand our offerings in the coming months.
Feel free to hit me up if you want more information.
Shane
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Thanks didn't mean to put on the spot there.
Call me crazy but I do not believe this hurts Festool at all. Mafell is even more expensive, but more importantly, their presence is another example of high value products in the marketplace. Festool is often described as an anomaly, a company that over-estimates the value of their products versus the commodity offerings so widely available. It is more difficult to disparage a premium car brand when there are a half-dozen of them as opposed to only one.
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greg mann said:
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Funny isn't it ...
People that aren't elite athletes will drop $10K on a bike, buy a Ferrari and drive it at the same speeds as a Golf, buy a Rolex that tells the same time as a Seiko ...
You'd think the concept of buying a tool that actually does a job better (maybe 10% better) at a higher cost would make sense when your REAL cost is labour and a more efficient tool makes a massive difference to your profits (once you've covered the cost of the tool).
I suppose I can understand some people look at a situation simplistically and ask themselves "Why should I spend $1,000 on a tool that's only 10% better than a $200 tool?" rather than comprehend that if they use the tool for just 90 minutes a day instead of 100 minutes and extrapolate to 250 days at $50 per hour ... they're looking at a benefit of over $2K in the first year alone!
What we need is an industry benchmark for task execution to perform a specified complete job with a tool (including setup, execution and cleanup, etc). Something performed independently - [member=48572]Shane Holland[/member] isn't busy, perfect project for him [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]
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OK now somebody please put up an "Erika" link
Sincerely
Out of the loop yank
Sincerely
Out of the loop yank
