kapex 60. dust comes outside even with vacuum cleaners. does it improve?
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It’s been replied a number of times that if one is dissatisfied with the dust collection, try the same without the vacuum.
I know this is not a lot of conciliation for you, but it may shed light on actually how much dust is being collected.
My Kapex 120 does not collect all the dust either, but I feel it collects most.
I know this is not a lot of conciliation for you, but it may shed light on actually how much dust is being collected.
My Kapex 120 does not collect all the dust either, but I feel it collects most.
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Question, what vacuum is attached?
I ask because normally the vac auto-starts when the saw starts (if plugged into a vac that supports it) and then the vac stays on for a few seconds after the saw (or any other power tool connected) switches off.
I never heard the vac running when the ks60 stopped, there was just silence?
36mm hose gives you the best performance in terms of dust extraction.
I ask because normally the vac auto-starts when the saw starts (if plugged into a vac that supports it) and then the vac stays on for a few seconds after the saw (or any other power tool connected) switches off.
I never heard the vac running when the ks60 stopped, there was just silence?
36mm hose gives you the best performance in terms of dust extraction.
I have seen vaccum cleaners advertised as '3000W' that generated way less airflow than an 1000W model - with same diameter hose.Gasto said:
Effective CFM is the metric that matters, electrical power drawn is irrelevant (apart from less power consumed for same CFM generated being better, unless your shop space desperately needs heating).
Unless the AERO26 sucks (i.e. it does not suck), I don't think the problem here was the vacuum. It could be the dia. of the hose, or the limitation of the Kapex in terms of dust collection.
Dust free is a term used loosely in the ad. and we all understand that, like the word "silent" seen used on some tool ads.
Dust free is a term used loosely in the ad. and we all understand that, like the word "silent" seen used on some tool ads.
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I watched some Festool videos they made themselves of the KS60 and you can see it's DC isn't the same as the KS120.
As [member=57948]ChuckM[/member] states might be the limitation of the saw itself and/or the hose diameter.
Comparing your vacs max. flow rate and max. vacuum of 3600l/min-21kPa vs 3700l/min-24kPa on say a Festool Midi/Mini vac shouldn't make much difference but others can chime in.
As [member=57948]ChuckM[/member] states might be the limitation of the saw itself and/or the hose diameter.
Comparing your vacs max. flow rate and max. vacuum of 3600l/min-21kPa vs 3700l/min-24kPa on say a Festool Midi/Mini vac shouldn't make much difference but others can chime in.
Is there no stronger vacuum cleaner with more power? Festools own is not that strong either. think there is any EU law that max watt is 1600w within eu. Consider returning the saw. see what I'm doing. You have 15 days of warranty. like everything on the saw except the busy one. Anna had the vacuum cleaner I have now come to boschen. it almost poured into dust
I bought 60th set for 600 euros. so they are good value. use cost 800 euros in my country. but it is absolutely not worth more money. Bosch gcm 8 sole costs 300 euros and it probably has the best dust absorption on the market today. double channels. but it's big takes some place. needed a smaller model
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Has anyone done a comparison test on this between the GCM 8 vs the Kapex 120? The double dust chutes is an interesting design, but both seem to have a narrow mouth.
The vid here doesn't tell much (2:36):http://tinyurl.com/yc3e7d5h
In the video, starting from 0:44, it is a clean saw, not in the same condition as the saw was demonstrated cutting.
To evaluate the two saws (Bosch vs Kapex 120) in terms of dust collection, both must be used under the same conditions (including cutting the same kind of wood, hooked to the same type of vac, etc.).
It is irrelevant whether the Bosch saw in the video was connected to a vac or not, because when I use my Kapex, it is always hooked up to a vac, and that is the condition I would like to see in any mitre saw video purported to show its dust collection ability. The Bosch's dual chutes design may or may not make it better than the Kapex 120 in the dust collection aspect.
To evaluate the two saws (Bosch vs Kapex 120) in terms of dust collection, both must be used under the same conditions (including cutting the same kind of wood, hooked to the same type of vac, etc.).
It is irrelevant whether the Bosch saw in the video was connected to a vac or not, because when I use my Kapex, it is always hooked up to a vac, and that is the condition I would like to see in any mitre saw video purported to show its dust collection ability. The Bosch's dual chutes design may or may not make it better than the Kapex 120 in the dust collection aspect.
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I have the original Kapex 120 and have used it in my shop since 2008. The dust collection was initially pretty good but not great. Two things brought the dust collection up to excellent but not 100%. I increased the hose to 36mm and also added a zero clearance insert to both the base and the back fence. I try not to lift the blade out of the cut until after the blade has stopped spinning. Dust collection seems the same with my CT26, Festool Midi and the Fein vacuum. I think the most important of these is the 36mm hose and zero clearance insert in the base. Not lifting the spinning blade is probably also important.
Gary Laroff,
Portland, Oregon
Gary Laroff,
Portland, Oregon
I have the KS60 also.
When slide-cutting, I find the DC to be really good although I would not call it dust-free of course. Marketing bullshit will always be marketing bullshit.
What bothers me much more is the very poor DC when chop cutting. As long as the blade has not reached the lowest position, the saw shoots dust all over the place. "Then don't chow cut" : yeah but if you're cutting a wide board, there is no choice. You have to cut down before you can slide-push to complete the cut.
I would rate slide cutting DC 9/10 but chop cutting no more than 4/10.
When slide-cutting, I find the DC to be really good although I would not call it dust-free of course. Marketing bullshit will always be marketing bullshit.
What bothers me much more is the very poor DC when chop cutting. As long as the blade has not reached the lowest position, the saw shoots dust all over the place. "Then don't chow cut" : yeah but if you're cutting a wide board, there is no choice. You have to cut down before you can slide-push to complete the cut.
I would rate slide cutting DC 9/10 but chop cutting no more than 4/10.
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