Kapex is 60

My own opinion of the Kapex 120 is, the problem with failures is real, it’s not a myth.
I also know, especially from recent experiences that the issue isn’t confined to the US and NA, as I know of saws in the UK failing, and in both voltages too. One recent example was a reputable flooring company, cutting stock no larger than 110m. X 19mm in various typically hardwood boards.
This company bought four saws at various dates, two have been repaired at least twice, and one of them possibly three times!

The other two saws have been fine, one of them is the first Kapex they ever bought.
I also do not believe it is user error either, I am constantly thinking that the problem saws have protection built in, like many electronics do, for safety and overload protection etc.
I think in Kapex, this protection is there but, only just good enough to do it’s job for the majority of time, and one day, a power spike etc, might override the protection, and that saw becomes another statistic?
I don’t believe all the saws have the potential, I think they are batches that received faulty parts or parts not quite up to standard, possibly from a different supplier even, who knows?

I have seen these saws frequently mistreated and abused without suffering any noticeable effects?
I have had many mitre saws from various brands and no issues, and know many trades would say the same.

There is an issue, or potential issue with some 120’s, and I don’t think it’s right that Festool either blame user error, or refuse to acknowledge any issues. I’m sure this is the main gripe with many owners or potential owners.
Just honesty and clarity from Festool would go a long way in customer confidence and loyalty. Instead of smoke screens and piss poor excuses for a problem that for many does exist.

I have recently bought the latest 120 and I love the saw, and just hope it lasts. I don’t baby it or give it special treatment, I use it properly, and look after it, and expect it to last.
I know quite a few KS 60 owners, no issues at all, certainly no smoking.
 
glass1 said:
but still Festool discriminates by offering Europeans tools but not us yanks.

Festool is a German based company.  Not USA.  An analogy.  ALL of the USA car companies, Ford, GM, Chrysler, offer far more models of cars and trucks to USA buyers than they do to European or Chinese customers.  Are the European and Chinese customers crying and yelling about how they are discriminated against by those evil American companies?  And Toyota, Honda, Nissan have several models of cars and trucks they sell in Asia but do not sell in USA.  Should you and the other USA customers scream about how you are being discriminated against by those evil Japan car companies?  And Fiat/Chrysler sell many other models of cars in Europe that they do not sell in the USA.  Should you scream and complain?
 
To be fair, analogies are analogies. No analogies can be good enough if one is determined not to accept any analogies.
 
threesixright said:
glass1 said:
Another poor analogy
Right. I'm sure many don't share your view.

Very right indeed.

There are soooooo many American products not available in Europe. Frustrating sometimes.

If everything were available everywhere we'd all be one country. I'm all for it. But I'm sure people like glass1 would be screaming NWO! One world guberment! UN go home!, and they're taking urrrr jerrrbs.  [tongue]

BTW, that's just tongue in cheek.  [wink]
 
Seems like this is going astray. If anyone has KS60 info that is actually about the tool , that would be great. Otherwise ...........................

Seth
 
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Seems like this is going astray. If anyone has KS60 info that is actually about the tool , that would be great. Otherwise ...........................

Seth
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Untidy Shop said:
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SRSemenza said:
Seems like this is going astray. If anyone has KS60 info that is actually about the tool , that would be great. Otherwise ...........................

Seth
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Seems like a slick little saw. I can see why they push it for the flooring trade.

Untidy, did you ever own a Kapex?
 
A carpenter friend of mine has the KS60, very nice saw. Very accurate and easy to work with.

I don't think the KS60 has any of the problems with the motor like the 120, certainly not the 220v volt models. But I think with this new saw Festool has made darn sure there could be no unnecessary motor failure.

He did get his saw stolen at one time when they broke into his tool storage, together with all the tools from a few other contractors that share the same space. Got a brand new saw under the Festool €100 replacement policy.
 
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No - I have a Makita Compound which had served well for over ten years. But it was wearing out. After renovating and selling our city house two years ago I had some spare cash and the KS60 and a HK55 joined my FESTOOL collection. In completing our country house these combined have built additional Merbu decks, fenced in a carport with Merbu, completed a kitchen and are currently being used to install a bathroom ensuite for the upstairs guest bedroom. And there have been numerous smaller projects. The HK55 has been excellent in cutting framing timber, the KS60 for tasks such as cutting decking, flooring, architrave and skirting boards. Oh! And in making butcher block bench tops where accuracy is significant. More on the latter in a future post.
 
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