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Got it ...so in your world 1+1 doesn't equal 2.I disagree; the tools being usable together doesn't mean you can plug one into the other.
Got it ...so in your world 1+1 doesn't equal 2.I disagree; the tools being usable together doesn't mean you can plug one into the other.
It's fair for anyone not taking a risk -- real or perceived. But the first statement is hair-splitting, I'm afraid.I disagree; the tools being usable together doesn't mean you can plug one into the other.
In the end, it really doesn't matter; I wouldn't risk it myself.
Got it ...so in your world 1+1 doesn't equal 2.
Seeing as these were specifically targeted as a "package system", regardless of any power ratings there's no way you couldn't reasonably expect them to be fully compatible and to operate as intended.Here's an example of what Chuck was referring to in his earlier post. These are 2 pages from a Festool catalog touting their Package Deals. "Package deals are the best way to get the most value. Since Festool tools work as a system, the best deals can be found when they are bought together."
What struck me with these catalog pages, is that instead of telling you to purchase vacuum part number X and tool part number Y, they give you a single part number that bundles the vacuum & the tool together. That's a pretty strong indication of compatibility.
Max. electrical outlet module connected load
EU 2400W
CH, DK 1100W
GB 230 V/110 V 1800W/230W
Unless I'm mistaken aren't all of those Milwaukee's using the same battery, in other words like as in a system or fully compatible package, even though unlike the Festool promo it doesn't explicitly state that?At least in the US, one SKU will often get you a drill/driver, impact driver and some other tool like a ratchet or die grinder, so being sold together means nothing here other than a way to package tools together.
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I don't believe those packages were sold in the US, and the CT manual indicates that in Europe, the specifications seem to say it may be a US voltage thing, as you can connect the two unless you're on 110V in the UK:
At the end of the day, each one of us has to go with what we feel most comfortable with. If you don't feel safe plugging the KS120 into a CT then you don't have to. You'll just have an extra step of turning on whichever vac you decide to go with along with the KS120. However, should you go with the KS60 and a bluetooth CT then pairing the battery to the CT will automatically turn the CT on with the KS60.Perhaps I'm too used to Milwaukee Tool deals like "Buy this impact driver and hammer drill/driver and get a free tire inflator or grease gun."
To me they're just multiple SKUs offered in a discounted package, and even if you can connect your KAPEX to your CT, it doesn't mean plugging the KAPEX into the CT, at least not to me.
Disclaimer: i'm not an electrician. The following is just my experience with the concern:Uh, no.
The manual for the CT vacs specifies a "Max. rating of connected Power Tool" of 3.7A.
The Kapex KS 120 REB is specified as having a power draw of 13A.
I can't say for the Festool vacs, but the typical outcome of doing so would be playing "what's that smell" as the internal wiring to the accessory power outlet heated and melted its insulation off and eventually melted itself.
Well, I asked this question of Festool this morning:
Question. “Does the use of a Festool tool, especially those like the OF2200 and the Kapex that have higher amperage usage, plugged into a Festool CT dust extractor automatically preclude warranty coverage in case of a tool electrical component failure?”
Answer: “No, it will not. Festool has thoroughly tested our CT outlets for just this concern”
That's the difference between asking a general non-committal type question that generates a similar type response, vs a question stating official figures that requires an official response that they would then need to feel comfortable couldn't work against them at some point. That then really forces them into the position that it becomes a "let our lawyers look into that and respond" realm.Would have been fun if you could have phrased it "Can I plug the 13A Kapex into the 3.7A max outlet on my CT-48?"
I called and asked that and had to leave a message for their application support person who has not returned my call.
@COBillIt's not the vac, it's the switched outlet.
If it's the iVAC SB-NA, you can see it's rated at 12A, which is a little lower than the KAPEX's 13A, but at least it's not 3.7A.
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Approved rating problem. 80% * 15A is 12A. Source: https://store.workshopsupply.com/catalogue/pdf/iVAC-AmpRating.pdf@COBill
This iVac is designed to plug into a 15 amp receptacle/circuit. Do you believe it takes 3A to close the internal SSR?
If not, why is it not rated for a higher amperage pass through?
Tom
The only time you might want to separate a tool will be when using a large amperage draw tool when using it at maximum capacity. All Festool tools when used under normal circumstances will use an amperage amount that can be shared and will be just fine.
When using a non Festool tools, please make sure your tool and CT Dust Collector combination does not exceed the amperage that is available from the wall receptacle.
Edit. Hmmmm, maybe it doesn't say what I thought it says.
I was rushing when I posted that. Semenza's post included the question posed to Festool.They are amazing accurate with their description, although not prescriptive enough I guess for some. In the end, that email becomes a Rorschach test.
It assumes some basic technical literacy in electrical ratings. Duty cycle, thermal limits, transient vs continuous load. Without that, we basically come down to hardline 'it says X amps on the label. My tool says X amps = I guess I shouldn't use it' which I guess if one doesn't know anything, then that's the safest approach. Following the label should probably also be the safest approach for those that go 'I saw a youtuber use it, then it's fine' but that's a whole different issue.
Correct to a point.Approved rating problem. 80% * 15A is 12A. Source: https://store.workshopsupply.com/catalogue/pdf/iVAC-AmpRating.pdf
In addition, the iVac's note clearly states this:Correct to a point.
The 80% only applies to continues load which is defined as 3 hours or more of use at full load.
All tool manufactures that I know of to get a “listing” on their tools apply the 80% rule.
That is why I have repeatedly said the number on the cover is nothing more than a math function. This satisfies the testing agencies requirements. It has absolutely nothing to do with the current the onboard receptacle and its circuitry will carry.
Once Festool appeased the complainers about the dongle they had to change the current rating.
As mentioned previously the 240 volt units have a higher load rating, Ohms Law says this must be true.
Notice I said “listing” not UL, there are more than one listing agencies, UL is just the best known.
Tom
My point exactly. The numbers on the units are there only to satisfy a math formula, they have nothing to do with real world testing.In addition, the iVac's note clearly states this:
"As a result, all the components have been
selected to operate continuously under
15Amp conditions and the product has also
been rigorously tested under these
conditions."
I bought my iVac with from Lee Valley, which product page offers this:
iVAC Automatic Vacuum Switch - Lee Valley Tools
www.leevalley.com
I use my Kapex EB with a shop vac and the iVac switch. Nothing bad has happened to any of the three devices included in the setup.