Kapex KSC 60

[alex1919]

Hello there, can you help me pls

What year was your Kapex KSC 60 manufactured? I can't find any 2024 or 2025 models in Canada, all dealers have 2023 models.
It's now 2026, and I want to buy a new product and is newly assembled, not three years old.
I know there's a 3-year warranty, but I still don't want to buy something that's been sitting in a warehouse for 3 years.

Thank you

 

[onocoffee]

It's too late for me to call my local dealer to see the manufacture dates on their inventory - and they probably won't be open for several days, depending on the severity of tonight's snowstorm. But I don't think there have been any serious issues with the KS60 that are akin to the issues with the 2014+ KS 120 EB saws. That being said, I wouldn't worry too much about it because of the three year warranty, though I do understand your position.

Last year, I bought a PS300 Trion from a dealer that had been manufactured in 2012. It was at a great discount and since it was old stock but new, it was sold as new and came with the three year warranty. I wasn't too worried about the age because of the warranty.

 

[tjbnwi]

If you do purchase on of the years old model make sure you register it and save the receipt in every way possible. If you don’t have the receipt and the is a warranty issue that DOM may put it out of warranty.

I have a KSC 60, it has preformed flawlessly for the 2 years I’ve owned it.

I’d have more concern over the batteries you purchase than the saw itself.

Tom

 

[grmaxx]

Who cares what year it is if it’s covered by a 3-year warranty? I got mine from KJP Ottawa last month, and I really don’t care what year it is.

 

[luvmytoolz]

Who cares what year it is if it’s covered by a 3-year warranty? I got mine from KJP Ottawa last month, and I really don’t care what year it is.

Given the self destructing nature of the PU sanding pads as an example it can very much matter how many years the tool has been sitting on a shelf before being sold.

One of the Mirka mini sanders I bought came with 2 DOA batteries. Turns out it had been sitting on a shelf for some 3-4 years or so and they'd discharged to the point the charger couldn't recognise or charge them. Similarly given the long shelf time who knows what condition any rubber seals in the sander are like.

 

[alex1919]

Who cares what year it is if it’s covered by a 3-year warranty? I got mine from KJP Ottawa last month, and I really don’t care what year it is.

When you come in 2026 and buy a new car at full price at the dealership, say the same thing to the manager, and ask if they have any leftovers from 2023 in stock that may have been sitting around for a while =) But usually, if a car is from last year or older, dealers already offer discounts on them.

 

[mino]

When you come in 2026 and buy a new car at full price at the dealership, say the same thing to the manager, and ask if they have any leftovers from 2023 in stock that may have been sitting around for a while =) But usually, if a car is from last year or older, dealers already offer discounts on them.

You are failing to realize that Festool tools are made with 20+ year lifetimes in mind. That is what you pay for. There are no short /as in <10 years/ shelf life components in their tools. *)

There is no "2023 KSC 60 model" in existence. The only KSC 60 model in existence is the one released in 2020(?) and sold since.

For your context:
The Festool TS 75 was released in late 2000s. 15+ years down the line, it is STILL the same model as the one sold in 2010.

Festool does not do "yearly" or even "bi-yearly" releases. As in, at all. Some of their models get updated after 20+ years, some are made for 30 years in the same form /yes, talking to you, HL 850, the Mr. Perfect Planer/.



*) the mentioned sanding pads which are consumables can be seen the sole exception as there is no way for making a longer-lasting PU foam pad

 

[ChuckS]

@alex1919

Your analogy isn't quite right. Cars from different years, even if all brand new, usually carry some features that are different, and hence discounts on the older models.

That said, I agree if you can get a "newer" saw, you should do so. At least psychologically, it feels better.

 

[mino]

Given the self destructing nature of the PU sanding pads as an example it can very much matter how many years the tool has been sitting on a shelf before being sold.

One of the Mirka mini sanders I bought came with 2 DOA batteries. Turns out it had been sitting on a shelf for some 3-4 years or so and they'd discharged to the point the charger couldn't recognise or charge them. Similarly given the long shelf time who knows what condition any rubber seals in the sander are like.

Not sure about today sanders .. but my WTS 150/7 sanders are both of late 2000s vintage. The rubber seals are fine, though on the shorter-end of their life indeed.

Starting with late 1980s, long-lasting rubber not being used is a CHOICE by the manufacturer. A choice I have yet to see Festool make.

An anecdote:
I have a 1954 (yes, not a typo) electric portable dual cooking hob. It is made of enamelled sheet metal and the only things not metallic on it are the Bakelitte knobs and the rubber power cord. That 70+ (!) year power cord is very much elastic as of today. And that is after countless times oil and other aggressive food stuffs got spilled over it at various times... Making decomposing rubber seals is a choice.

 

[luvmytoolz]

Not sure about today sanders .. but my WTS 150/7 sanders are both of late 2000s vintage. The rubber seals are fine, though on the shorter-end of their life indeed.

Starting with late 1980s, long-lasting rubber not being used is a CHOICE by the manufacturer. A choice I have yet to see Festool make.

An anecdote:
I have a 1954 (yes, not a typo) electric portable dual cooking hob. It is made of enamelled sheet metal and the only things not metallic on it are the Bakelitte knobs and the rubber power cord. That 70+ (!) year power cord is very much elastic as of today. And that is after countless times oil and other aggressive food stuffs got spilled over it at various times... Making decomposing rubber seals is a choice.

I've got Metabo, ELU, Fein, Makita, and a few oddball sanders that are all at least 10 years old and have seen an incredible amount of work and still are perfectly serviceable. The Festool sanders are the only ones I've ever owned that the pads self destruct on after ~8-10 years or so. 10 years pad life may sound good, until you find out the replacement pad for the $350 sander you bought is $135!

Even brand new Festool pads I'd bought as spares and stored away in a cupboard in a cool, dark and dry spot have disintegrated in the packet. Very disappointing. Luckily the 3rd party market for replacement pads is pretty cheap.

 

[alex1919]

You are failing to realize that Festool tools are made with 20+ year lifetimes in mind. That is what you pay for. There are no short /as in <10 years/ shelf life components in their tools. *)

There is no "2023 KSC 60 model" in existence. The only KSC 60 model in existence is the one released in 2020(?) and sold since.

For your context:
The Festool TS 75 was released in late 2000s. 15+ years down the line, it is STILL the same model as the one sold in 2010.

Festool does not do "yearly" or even "bi-yearly" releases. As in, at all. Some of their models get updated after 20+ years, some are made for 30 years in the same form /yes, talking to you, HL 850, the Mr. Perfect Planer/.



*) the mentioned sanding pads which are consumables can be seen the sole exception as there is no way for making a longer-lasting PU foam pad

Sounds convincing, thank you.

 

[alex1919]

You are failing to realize that Festool tools are made with 20+ year lifetimes in mind. That is what you pay for. There are no short /as in <10 years/ shelf life components in their tools. *)

There is no "2023 KSC 60 model" in existence. The only KSC 60 model in existence is the one released in 2020(?) and sold since.

For your context:
The Festool TS 75 was released in late 2000s. 15+ years down the line, it is STILL the same model as the one sold in 2010.

Festool does not do "yearly" or even "bi-yearly" releases. As in, at all. Some of their models get updated after 20+ years, some are made for 30 years in the same form /yes, talking to you, HL 850, the Mr. Perfect Planer/.



*) the mentioned sanding pads which are consumables can be seen the sole exception as there is no way for making a longer-lasting PU foam pad

I made a mistake in writing the word, I meant manufactured, not the 2023 model. Has anyone seen Kapex KSC 60 manufactured in 2025 ?

 

[onocoffee]

There is no "2023 KSC 60 model" in existence. The only KSC 60 model in existence is the one released in 2020(?) and sold since.

Mino - My understanding is that the OP is talking about the manufacture date of the tool, not the revision date of the model. He would like a KS60 manufactured closer to our current time than an older one sitting in inventory.

And while some models remain the same after 20 years (looking at you, TS 75 EQ), I do see the concern of the others for parts like the batteries or sanding pads (LS130/RS2 - look at you two) starting to get stale if they've been sitting in inventory for a few years.

And speaking of product getting stale - did you know that most mass market coffees have expiry/use by dates on them? Like Starbucks - if you were to buy a bag of Starbucks this week, it would probably have a June 2026 date. This means that it was manufactured/roasted in June 2025.

 

[MacBoy]

most mass market coffees have expiry/use by dates on them

A tangent … When does it truly matter?

How much beyond the expiry date would it still be good coffee grounds?

( I love asking an Ono expert this question! )

 

[mino]

Sounds convincing, thank you.

Thanks, I do understand your complain.

But at same it is a common misconception seen with pretty much anyone who is used to the "modern" tools /and any appliances, sans Mielie possibly/ space.

The way Festool (and Mafell, Fein) manufactures tools is also NOT how bigger makers do them. Festool has no dedicated production lines for each individual tool like the Chinese have /where multiple big brands have the same type tool made on the same line in a 24/7 production/. What Festool does is instead make "production runs" which are then sold over some time period - usually a year to 3-4 years - until the run is sold, then make another run, then again pause.

Reconfiguring the production line to make a given tool takes time, costing money, so the objective is to minimise the production "switches".

In a way, this is similar how production was done in the old times /think 1800s/ before mass series production became a thing.

As in, for most their tools there is no continuous production line open, making it so that tools are made and then sold over a longer period. Being in US/Canada only magnifies this as the shipping takes time as well, pushing for bigger NA stocks as compared to what is kept at European distributors.

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All that said, there are benefits /and disadvantages/ in getting a "fresh" tool. The benefit is, naturally, that it shall last a few percent longer. The negative is, that should there have been a problem with a given manufacturing run, Festool would have it pulled and issues fixes *before* selling to customers while the kit is still in the warehouse.

In case of KSC, I would check on batteries charge levels when unpacking, if discharged too much /one blinking led/, I would raise a service ticket to have them replaced. Do keep note that a tool made in 2023 does not necessarily mean the batteries included are of a 2023 manufacture a well.

 

[mino]

I've got Metabo, ELU, Fein, Makita, and a few oddball sanders that are all at least 10 years old and have seen an incredible amount of work and still are perfectly serviceable. The Festool sanders are the only ones I've ever owned that the pads self destruct on after ~8-10 years or so. 10 years pad life may sound good, until you find out the replacement pad for the $350 sander you bought is $135!

Even brand new Festool pads I'd bought as spares and stored away in a cupboard in a cool, dark and dry spot have disintegrated in the packet. Very disappointing. Luckily the 3rd party market for replacement pads is pretty cheap.

Strange. The few older Festool/Protool pads I have are still mostly fine. Can be the shop environment possibly coupled to a slightly different pad foam used. Or even certain bad runs.


My RS200 is 8 years and the pad looks like another 10 or so are in store for it. I still plan to get a replacement pads set in a few years, before they go out of sale though.

My WTSes, the oldest sanders I have, are of 2008/ and 2009 vintage but the oldest pad I got with one of them is from 2015 or thereabouts, so not that old but not new either. It is also fine excepting the beating from the previous owner.


Mentioning the environment as, e.g., our home town is notorious for silverware blackening there. There are natural sulphur and radon saturated springs under the town and so the air is slightly saturated with sulphur which reacts with unprotected silver. The same silverware stays pristine in a nearby town just 10 km from there and no other ill effects are directly observed, just on silver stuff as the vapours concentration is very low but enough to affect it.

 

[onocoffee]

A tangent … When does it truly matter?

How much beyond the expiry date would it still be good coffee grounds?

( I love asking an Ono expert this question! )

Really depends on your own expectations, I think. By the time that bag of coffee makes it to the shelf at the grocery store or local Starbucks, it's six months old and well past any major flavor changes (which tend to be most apparent in the first two months). You can generally expect that coffee's flavor to remain relatively stable for about two years.

 

[mino]

Really depends on your own expectations, I think. By the time that bag of coffee makes it to the shelf at the grocery store or local Starbucks, it's six months old and well past any major flavor changes (which tend to be most apparent in the first two months). You can generally expect that coffee's flavor to remain relatively stable for about two years.

This!

Anyone buying pre-ground coffee, or even not freshly roasted for that matter, does not/should not expect actual proper coffee taste anyway. At that point it no longer matters, as long as it is not too long so starts getting rancid. The best-by date is calculated based on highest allowed temperature storage, just keeping it in a cold warehouse or a fridge can extend that multiple times.

All that said, coffee is the exact opposite of Festool tools. Were I to relate Festool tools /not consumables necessarily/ to some food in this respect, it would be honey. Maybe wine.

 

[ReneS]

Really depends on your own expectations, I think. By the time that bag of coffee makes it to the shelf at the grocery store or local Starbucks, it's six months old and well past any major flavor changes (which tend to be most apparent in the first two months). You can generally expect that coffee's flavor to remain relatively stable for about two years.

Dude!

Is your user ID due to you being in the coffee market?

Just curious...

 

[onocoffee]

Dude!

Is your user ID due to you being in the coffee market?

Just curious...

Yes, coffee is what I do in "The Real World". Festool is just my alter-ego.