KAPEX - Looking for positive reviews before purchasing

Job and Knock said:
I'm a trade carpenter and joiner who is working on a large refurb and extension at the moment (a 2-1/2 year project) so my SCMS is in daily use cutting everything from joists to mouldings, oak skirtings (baseboards) to built-up 4-part softwood cornices. The Kapex is simply the most accurate SCMS I've ever used in more than 30 years (starting with the Elu version of the DW608 in 1986) and has the best dust extraction of any mitre saw I've ever used - far better than the Makita LS1013 it replaced. The UG cart and extension wings are a joy to use and make setting-up and breaking down a saw station far quicker and easier than it was with my old Makita. OK, so mine is now a mere 6 months old, but before buying it I had already used a colleagues tool and talked to several other owners I know. Nobody I talked to had had reliability issues - and all (like mine) are 110 volt versions if that makes a difference. That contrasts markedly with the experiences I've heard of from Makita LS1016 owners, especially in the USA, where for the first 3 or so years of production there were major accuracy issues (blade wobble, etc).

In terms of ensuring reliability the only thing I do is to ensure that the saw is always used on a heavy (32 Amp, 4 or 6mm) extension cable and that it does not share a transformer with any other power-sapping tools such as welders or heavy angle grinders because that can kill any tool.

The only bad thing, as Gruz says, is that you have to put up with other tradesmen commenting on the saw - mainly the price and how you must be made of money...  Overall, I'm very happy with the saw with no quality or mechanical issues although it is early days, yet.

You sound like me lol .... I had the elu chopsaw after selling my eluflip back in the early 90s maybe, then bought the makita 1013 which i still have. Then bought the kapex 3 years ago this month. Excellent saw best of all i can use it inside someones house with hardly any dust.

Just bought my 1st spare blade after 3 years, got an 80T stehle blade off Ebay for £54
 
Here is a positive review from a very positive chap who bought one of the first Kapex saws to be introduced into the UK. One who wrote a very simplistic review for the Original Mathew's FOG back in 2007 to satisfy the demands of the NAINA posse who were positively trumping (there's prophecy for you) at the bit for any morsel of news of the Wundersage of Wendlingen.

That chap was me spending my children's inheritance, a quest which still occupies me and causes much mirth and merriment. I used and abused that Kapex for three years without the slightest hiccup or whiff of armature smoke and, when I received an invitation from HM the Queen, along with a few thousand others, to a party in a hot and humid place with loads of sand, (no RSVP required), I decided to sell the Kapex. I sold it to a very good friend who still uses it to this day and he too has never had the slightest problem with it. They do say never sell to friends, especially those who are from a similar background of legal force and destruction, but on my return from the dusty climes of a far away place, he still spoke warmly to me and I retain all my external digits and dangly bits to this day.

He has used 'our' Kapex almost every day to divide expensive wood in two and has done many thousands of cuts. He has replaced the plastic guard due to a high velocity wayward off-cut which cracked it, a return spring and has bought two blades which he has sharpened several times. The saw still produces glass like cuts, does so with a precision that satisfies his exacting professional standards and has been a pivotal part of his business of cutting wood, assembling it and then selling the finished article at an outrageous price. He loves the Kapex, plugs it into a CTL36 (240V), and has always (like I did) run it up to full revs before making the cut and allows it to stop before removing the workpiece. He cuts all thicknesses, from thin to thick, never uses an extension cable and like me, has kept the saw clean and, as we say in darkest Wales, tidy.

Two months ago, and in pathetic desire to spend even more of my children's ever dwindling inheritance, I removed my belt-fed Visa card and bought another Kapex. I read of the problems some had experienced during my wilderness years and, based upon my initial experience and that of my original Kapex, bought another which I named Simou in honour of my late best mate. It is a bit of a time warp, deja vu feeling with the saw. Still built like a brick sh*thouse with the deft and delicate touch of a grey, green and black goddess of lurv and it is performing superbly.

When I bought my original saw it came with a 2 year warranty, this one has 3 and a whole ruck of other bits of service goodies. I never needed to use the warranty back in 2007-2010 and I hope I never need to use it for this saw. But should I do then I fully expect Festool UK to honour their commitment to me. Nuff said.

The Kapex is a belter of a saw, I would and did recommend it to anyone who demands precision, a relatively dust free working environment ( better than any other SCMS I have used or have seen being used ) and the feeling of using a really well engineered and designed piece of kit. I know there have been problems and I appreciate that some have had a less than excellent experience with their Kapex's. Buy one, use it for 15/30 days and then sack it if you are not 100% satisfied. I do not know of any other manufacturer who gives such a period of use with no questions asked.

I only wish Mercedes Benz had followed such a customer focused approach when my AMG C Class decided to play silly buggers. Resolved reasonably rapidly, but not in a spirit that endeared me to the automotive side of the Teutonic engineering fraternity. Which only goes to show that every now and then a rogue passes merrily through the mysterious place they whisper and call, the 'Final Inspection' on Planet QC.

Pat
 
mbrusso said:
The kapex is a heck of a saw, however I am going through a bit of a headache here in canada for the first time after a service on the machine. As I thought most normal people would do, I sent the saw in without a blade, and also without the outside arbor flange and arbor bolt.  They sent me the saw back without the inside arbor flange (picture attached)  So now I can't run a saw blade. In addition to that, whoever took the saw apart to service it absolutely KILLED my rear angle indicator (photo also attached)

I asked for both parts to be sent to me asap, however they are saying that I have to send the saw in for the angle indicator to be installed? Come on- It's attached with maybe 6 t25 screws and maybe some adhesive backing.

I'm supposed to wait another 3 weeks for turnaround?? That's not fair

I think that because we are in Canada we have to put up with the idea that we must ship to some garage in Ontario (I have pictures of the place that the delivery service left it) and wait until they get enough stuff to ship to the US repair place. This was my experience with the track saw recall. Sad.

Peter
 
The KAPEX is an intelligent package and works well with the UG stand and extensions. Swapping blades is easy and it performs very well. I've had zero issues. I did get a small Metabo SCMS to compliment the KAPEX because a little SCMS that's cordless and can be carried in one hand can be a quicker solution for many tasks ... and that's the market Festool have recognised with the introduction of the KS60 and they will hopefully add a cordless variant.

Quality and accuracy, minimal dust / cleanup and light weight with easy setup / store are my key values when it comes to the KAPEX.

Value for money is a highly subjective area ... it's valuable for me because it saves me personal time relative to more cumbersome and/or messy SCMS's. You'll get posters knocking the KAPEX and telling you to buy something that cost half, but that's always said in ignorance of your specific circumstance ... if the KAPEX did happened to save you 5 minutes a day x 250 days x 5 years and in your situation you could turn that into billable income or time otherwise utilised - that could easily be $5K of benefit, just for spending the initial extra $1K.
 
Hi [member=62476]JFitz[/member]

I am not earning a living by running my Kapex all day in other people's houses but I do use it a lot. I bought mine 5 years ago and have had no issues that worried me at any stage. Within a month or so of buying it I hit it with a 5" oak post that I was moving around the workshop and it was knocked out of square. I turned to the excellent US Supplemental Manual (thanks Rick) and had it spot on in a matter of minutes.

The Kapex was the reason I started with Festool and it replaced my old Dewalt RAS. Dust collection is superb with only some of the heavier chippings not making it into the CT. I do have the CT26 connected to mine by a short length of 36 mm hose.

I mostly cut hard woods, typically oak and walnut, but soft wood, especially pine can produce sticky chippings which will build up if the DC is not on max suck. I have also cut aluminium, Perspex and various plastics, on a low speed, and the results have been excellent.

I am delighted with the Kapex.

Peter

 
Peter Parfitt said:
Hi [member=62476]JFitz[/member]

I am not earning a living by running my Kapex all day in other people's houses but I do use it a lot. I bought mine 5 years ago and have had no issues that worried me at any stage. Within a month or so of buying it I hit it with a 5" oak post that I was moving around the workshop and it was knocked out of square. I turned to the excellent US Supplemental Manual (thanks Rick) and had it spot on in a matter of minutes.

The Kapex was the reason I started with Festool and it replaced my old Dewalt RAS. Dust collection is superb with only some of the heavier chippings not making it into the CT. I do have the CT26 connected to mine by a short length of 36 mm hose.

I mostly cut hard woods, typically oak and walnut, but soft wood, especially pine can produce sticky chippings which will build up if the DC is not on max suck. I have also cut aluminium, Perspex and various plastics, on a low speed, and the results have been excellent.

I am delighted with the Kapex.

Peter

I am considering the Kapex for my next Festool purchase, and [member=11196]Peter Parfitt[/member], with his recent post has convinced me to move forward, once Christmas is paid for!
 
McNally Family said:
I am considering the Kapex for my next Festool purchase, and [member=11196]Peter Parfitt[/member], with his recent post has convinced me to move forward, once Christmas is paid for!

[member=60452]McNally Family[/member] yes, Peter's posts and videos have nudged many a mere mortal further down the Festool path ... Now for some funny reason I have a sill poem about the Scarlett Pimpernel going through my head [blink] [huh]
 
I'll add my two cents.
I make a living with mine. High-end trim. It just had its second birthday.

The bad. Motor failure at 2 months. Bevel lock hinge failure at 18 MO and currently the head return spring seems to have lost it's strength. That will be return number 3. At this point, I'm extremely disappointed with the saw from a durability stand point. Yes, Festool will fix it still. For a slide compound 3x the price, this should not be happening.

My quandary. Kapex will need to go back in. I'll need something for one week. I could buy another one. I had pretty much decided that was my course of action. IMO, it is the best featured slide compound currently available in the US market. Bevel adjustment is genius. Can't live without lasers. Love being able to set up in hallways. Not blowing piles of sawdust everywhere. Actually useful dado capability. Features wise, the closet thing I see would be a Makita slide. It won't be as nice, but $1500 vs $600.

I equate my Kapex with a Ferrari. Expensive and goes fast, but breaks a lot. Apparantly, Ineed a back up a saw. Should I buy a second Ferrari or settle for a Toyota/Makita?

 
oneeyesquare said:
I'll add my two cents.
I make a living with mine. High-end trim. It just had its second birthday.

The bad. Motor failure at 2 months. Bevel lock hinge failure at 18 MO and currently the head return spring seems to have lost it's strength. That will be return number 3. At this point, I'm extremely disappointed with the saw from a durability stand point. Yes, Festool will fix it still. For a slide compound 3x the price, this should not be happening.

My quandary. Kapex will need to go back in. I'll need something for one week. I could buy another one. I had pretty much decided that was my course of action. IMO, it is the best featured slide compound currently available in the US market. Bevel adjustment is genius. Can't live without lasers. Love being able to set up in hallways. Not blowing piles of sawdust everywhere. Actually useful dado capability. Features wise, the closet thing I see would be a Makita slide. It won't be as nice, but $1500 vs $600.

I equate my Kapex with a Ferrari. Expensive and goes fast, but breaks a lot. Apparantly, Ineed a back up a saw. Should I buy a second Ferrari or settle for a Toyota/Makita?

Before you send it back, lubricate all the pivot points.  It made mine energetic when I did it.

Peter
 
Hi there, I bought the Kapex because its part of a system, which works well for me in the work place.
I also checked out the weight, it's lighter than my old Bosch (which I still have).
I don't want to lugg the Bosch to site anymore.
I have had many Mitre saws throughout the years, all good for different reasons.
I don't believe it will make your woodworking any better or different to any other good brand of saw.
The skill is what you can do with the tools you have.

John
 
Peter Halle said:
Before you send it back, lubricate all the pivot points.  It made mine energetic when I did it.

Peter

Hey [member=1674]Peter Halle[/member], just curious what you lubed your Kapex with?

I also like your avatar...is that a new member of the family?
 
Cheese said:
Peter Halle said:
Before you send it back, lubricate all the pivot points.  It made mine energetic when I did it.

Peter

Hey [member=1674]Peter Halle[/member], just curious what you lubed your Kapex with?

I also like your avatar...is that a new member of the family?

To be brutally honest I will use what ever is on hand if a problem manifests itself when I am away from home.  My favorite is a spray garage door lube (I believe that Tom mentioned that first here).

The avatar image is little not little anymore Indiana Jones who is celebrating his one year anniversary month.  So demanding.

Peter
 
Woodchippie said:
Hi there, I bought the Kapex because its part of a system, which works well for me in the work place.
...

What does ^this^ mean?

Is it that there is a dust port on the Kapex? Or something more?
 
Peter Halle said:
Before you send it back, lubricate all the pivot points.  It made mine energetic when I did it.

Peter

I did that. Helped. Just not enough chops to get it over the bearing on the guard arm. I'll give it a
Second clean and lube with some better lube. Wd40 and MDF dust pretty much makes paste.

Still debating the second one. Love the saw, it's just a crapload of money for something that breaks regularly (in my experience).

Caveat. Saw not abused. Used.A lot! Trimming under .5mm gaps even on paint Lots of sneaking up to the cut cuts. It transports in a Promaster in its own dedicated shelf. Cushy.

 
I also have a less than energetic blade return on my saw after it was returned for repair. I did not want to send it back for adjustment again because one other time the saw was returned out of square due to a very rough ride home. It seems accurate now and I just don't want to chance other issues related to travel. Is there a thread that discusses safe products to use and locations to apply lubricants? Did not find one using key word search.
 
oneeyesquare said:
Peter Halle said:
Before you send it back, lubricate all the pivot points.  It made mine energetic when I did it.

Peter

I did that. Helped. Just not enough chops to get it over the bearing on the guard arm. I'll give it a
Second clean and lube with some better lube. Wd40 and MDF dust pretty much makes paste.

Still debating the second one. Love the saw, it's just a crapload of money for something that breaks regularly (in my experience).

Caveat. Saw not abused. Used.A lot! Trimming under .5mm gaps even on paint Lots of sneaking up to the cut cuts. It transports in a Promaster in its own dedicated shelf. Cushy.

I have to lubricate that area the most.  My guess is that the next try will help.

Peter
 
I bought my kapex about a year ago. I would never buy anything else EVER.

Only downside for me is that the blade has ZERO play side to side, which, is a really good thing in a saw. However. If your not paying attention to your wood during rough cuts before machining you can get a severe amount of kickback.

If I were to rate this saw I'd give it a 95/100 and say there is t another saw like it.
 
The good thing about this thread is that it asking for positive reviews.

In a confirmation bias sense that works, and there isn't pretence otherwise.
It takes a lot to shift ones view once it is formed.
 
I just purchased a Kapex to replace my 20yr old makita based on a recommendation from a friend that is well respected cabinetmaker. The saw is due to be delivered this week and I came across this forum doing research on what blades are best for it, and am now very concerned...

Would the folks here recommend that I go ahead and return it? I don't want to buy a tool that isn't intended to be used as such. My mafell tools are tanks and hold up to abuse on-site, and I want the same level of quality out of my miter. I just want a tool that performs well and will last.
 
vkdebo said:
I just purchased a Kapex to replace my 20yr old makita based on a recommendation from a friend that is well respected cabinetmaker. The saw is due to be delivered this week and I came across this forum doing research on what blades are best for it, and am now very concerned...

Would the folks here recommend that I go ahead and return it? I don't want to buy a tool that isn't intended to be used as such. My mafell tools are tanks and hold up to abuse on-site, and I want the same level of quality out of my miter. I just want a tool that performs well and will last.

30 day "no questions asked return policy", combined with a rock solid 3-year warranty!
 
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