kapex overkill?

I think those that said get the saw, build the deck then return it should be ashamed of yourself  [huh]. Nuff said !
 
If you are not planning to do any other work like trim,crown,...etc    Then yes it is overkill.You can get good result with most saws out there.Makita,Bosch,Dewalt,will do just fine.
I wouldn't worry about dust.It's just a matter of cleaning after the job is done.
There's no question that the Kapex is a good saw,but you're not going to benefit from it if you don't use it much.
 
woodguy7 said:
I think those that said get the saw, build the deck then return it should be ashamed of yourself  [huh]. Nuff said !
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I think Festool would wise up pretty quick to a free 1 month rental model being exploited!
 
i believe i said get the saw ,build the deck, see if you have any other use for it then return it. implying take advantage of the festool trial offer as thats what it's there for.
 
Exactly.  I don't believe that is why the 30 day return policy was put in place !  If everyone did that I'm sure Festool USA would get wise & stop that very valuable perk that you get.

The way it comes across is "get it to finish the job then return it". A free rental if you like !
 
The Festool policy here in NA is to allow a user thirty days to use a tool in real life.  Within those thirty days the user has the right to return with no questions asked a used tool for a replacement or refund.  Freight is a cost to the user.  Accessories purchased for the tool do not fall under that policy although dealers may have separate more generous policies.

Festool established the policy and of course could alter the policy in the future.  But at this point in time the policy encourages users to purchase tools, put them to work under the users' unique situations and see in real life.  Festool must be comfortable with the good and bad that comes with having this policy and Shane has posted here that actually very few tools as a percentage of the total get returned.  I guess that Festool USA must be confident in their claims about their products and the way that they perform.

Here is the description of the warranty from the Festool USA website:

"Buy with confidence. If you are not completely satisfied, return your tool to the selling dealer within 30 days and you will receive a refund of either your purchase price or the lowest retail price at which the same item has been offered since your date of purchase. Freight charges are not refundable."

Peter
 
Peter Halle said:
The Festool policy here in NA is to allow a user thirty days to use a tool in real life.  Within those thirty days the user has the right to return with no questions asked a used tool for a replacement or refund.  Freight is a cost to the user.  Accessories purchased for the tool do not fall under that policy although dealers may have separate more generous policies.

Festool established the policy and of course could alter the policy in the future.  But at this point in time the policy encourages users to purchase tools, put them to work under the users' unique situations and see in real life.  Festool must be comfortable with the good and bad that comes with having this policy and Shane has posted here that actually very few tools as a percentage of the total get returned.  I guess that Festool USA must be confident in their claims about their products and the way that they perform.

Here is the description of the warranty from the Festool USA website:

"Buy with confidence. If you are not completely satisfied, return your tool to the selling dealer within 30 days and you will receive a refund of either your purchase price or the lowest retail price at which the same item has been offered since your date of purchase. Freight charges are not refundable."

Peter
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YEP!    Nuff said! ;)
 
I think everyone knows what you meant though & deep down I think you probably do as well.  There was others that suggested  it but hey, it's nothing to do with me.  I just don't think that is a good way to do business.

Take full advantage eh !!
 
he's debating buying the tool and keeping it as it is but isn't sure of it's usefulness beyond this project. This project is a good way to see what the tool can do and how it may help him in the future. If he's not satisfied he can return it. It's Festools policy, they want you to try their stuff. i don't see what the problem is. I've yet to return a festool purchase, even ones I wasn't too sure of looking at them in the store. So far, five minutes of use with the device has sold me completely on them and the same could very well happen here.
 
Well that's total fair enough.  It just didn't read too well.  I wasn't trying to have a go at anyone but I don't like dishonesty & if I read something I don't agree with then I am not usually backwards in coming forwards  ;)
 
Woodguy, I have been with you on the subject of out and out planning on returning.  I don't argue the point as I am sure there are many who plan to do just that, but find themselves trapped on the slippery slope and just can't bring it upon themselves to follow thru with the plan.  for me, I try to do a reasonable amount of research before purchase.  Once I get the toy----  er---- tool, i figure a deal is a deal.  I guess in the overall picture, Festool is encouraging such trial and return.  i just find it hard to deal that way.
Tinker
 
Oh no I can see how I can be misread. Good on you to bring it up to clarify. I've no intention on encouraging people to pull a scam. I think the pro's and cons of a SCMS have been discussed as well as alternative options for the project at hand. I bring up the policy because if the bug in your brain is to get a KAPEX the policy is in place to ensure you're happy with your purchase. As i stated, I've yet to return a Festool product based on this policy.
Cheers and beers!
 
And peace is restored [big grin] Being a professional carpenter/woodworker, I HAVE been ripped off. I have no respect for this mentality. My business is conducted honestly and i pride myself on that.
 
I have enough respect for Festool, or any good tool company for that matter, not to buy something with the intent of using it and then returning it.  If I get it, it's for the long run.  IMO, it's disingenuous to buy something and then return it as soon as the project is done.  I can only think of one thing that I would have thought about retuning and that was the adjustable miter angle unit.  I don't use it hardly at all.  However, come to think of it, it might be perfect to set up at a 45 on a short rail and use it to cut my miters!  ;D  I should be able to go pretty fast with that.  Just gotta make sure it's tightened down securely. 
 
I've seen used Kapexs on ebay for $1,100-1,200.  If you use it and sell it for that, it's cheaper than renting one, even if you could.

Does anyplace rent Festools?
 
Wonderwino said:
I've seen used Kapexs on ebay for $1,100-1,200.  If you use it and sell it for that, it's cheaper than renting one, even if you could.

Does anyplace rent Festools?
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Maybe.  I'm not ready to talk about it just yet.  Hang tight.
 
Im coming into this really late, but i build decks with a $400 Dewalt. I also install stain grade trim with it, bc its perfectly tuned and i check it every time i move it. Gonna get the Kapex before Xmas, bc I deserve it, not bc i need it. I use my miter saw everyday, but never use DC unless im set up in a garage or inside the home. And yes you can use a CT 22 with non Festool saws, you may just need an adapter. Get a Forrest Blade for another $100 and call it a day.
What I cant understand is if you have all this nice equipment, how do you not already have a miter saw? I would consider it a must have for cutting anything long into smaller more manageable sections. Am I missing something about the work you do? Plus a miter saw without a nice extension wing set up is worthless when cutting 20' deck boards. Even the Kapex stand is way too small for that. My wings are nine feet each way.
Based on something Kevin Stricker said I am noticing people who installed composite early on in the game already looking for redos in CT, especially if there is a lot of canopy bc they stain and look horrible eventually. You should be more concerned about what material you are gonna use then what saw to get. And talk to Scott B about finishing! Eric
 
Festools are for novices with plenty of extra cash, or professionals that want the best engineered tools that will last, and that will make make money for them. It is not as if buying Festool products will magically change you from a novice or intermediate carpenter into a master. Buy Festool when you have struggled with inferior brands that inhibit clean, productive work. Also, buy them because you always wish to buy the best you can afford!!!
Best wishes!
 
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