Kapex Post Segregation

Birdhunter

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I enjoy reading about how people use their Kapex saws and about non-motor problems.

I have never had a Kapex motor problem and I am not interested in reading about motors burning up. If my motor burns up, I will then be interested in posts about the issue.

I am suggesting to the Moderators that they create a forum subcategory specifically for Kapex motor problems.

I fully realize that that I can skip posts about motors burning up. The intent of my suggestion is to have a subcategory where people with a motor problem can focus their exchange of information.
 
You might be on to something here.  My saw has not burned up, but my warrantee clock is soon to expire and I will not be pleased if my saw fails out of warranty.

Perhaps by splitting this thread off, the mother ship will take more notice; but then again I can wish in one hand and $hi+ in the other and see which one fills up first.

 
I hear what you're saying, but I don't think it will happen.  If, despite what seems like an abnormally high number of reports of Kapex motor failures on the FOG, the Kapex problem is ultimately anecdotal, then it is not really fair  to create a dedicated Kapex failure thread.  And remember that the FOG is ultimately under the aegis of Festool, so I really doubt they would brook placing the Kapex motor problem on a level with a tool recall by devoting a subforum to it.  To do so would be tantamount to an admission that the tool is defective, which they are not going to do for the obvious legal and branding reasons.
 
The Kapex was introduced 2007. The first comments on motor failure seems to appear in 2012. If you go back through you would find less than a dozen "individual" seems to have posted about an actual motor failure. If you go back to the beginning of the Festool Problems sub-group, you read of a number Kapex issues that were ultimately resolved. Some taking months to find the problem and resolve it.

This forum is like all others on the web and they all have a similar issue.

Someone posts a question like "Do you OWN a XYZ and if you do OWN an XYZ what do you think about it?"

You can guarantee that of the 30 response to the post that 25 are from people that DO NOT OWN THE XYZ but want to respond and interject there opinions on it anyway. 10 posts will side track to about their dogs/cats/motorcycle helmet laws, etc. that have nothing do to with the actual question. 10 posts will say they should instead be looking at a ABC model and not XYZ because it is too expensive/poor service/etc. 5 post will be about somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody that had problems with it or did not have problems with it. And finally 5 actually people that own it will respond to the original poster, maybe answering there question and maybe not.

There are a number of other subgroups where general conversation can and do occur on this forum (and maybe should instead of in the problem forum.)

Answers take time and just because you or I think that failures should be analyzed and fixed in 24 hours because we spent $$$ on a product is ridiculous. Some things that just break can be resolved easily and quickly. Other issues like the motor failure must be researched, especially if it is only affecting less that 1% of the ones being manufactured. When there is a ghost in a product, you have to determine if it is in the sourcing chain of the material acquisition, design process, in the actual manufacturing process, in the distribution chain, in the end user or in the environment it is being used in. Is it happening to 200 distinct users or just to 5 users multiple times?

As an Engineer, you must go through the process and look at every aspect or if you make a quick assumption and just say, "completely redesign the motor" and that was not the real problem, you end up chasing your tail and still end up with the same issue of a motor is failing.

So let Festool's engineers have the time to properly do its due diligence and find what the problem is and resolve/fix it.

My suggest would be a locked sub-group under Festool Problems where someone posts a problem about a tool and Festool posts the ultimate solution. There is no good reason why someone who is having a problem with a tool must wade through 20 posts that each contain 50 replies just to find the ultimate answer. The group would have one post that would hold all the issues regarding the Kapex, one post regarding the routers, one post regarding the sanders, etc
Example:
Kapex:

Problem 1 (date identified: xx/xx/xx): Kapex fence not aligned. Solution: xxxxx
Problem 2 (date identified: xx/xx/xx): Kapex miter slide grinding. Solution: xxxxx
Problem 3 (date identified: xx/xx/xx): Kapex motor housing leaking. Solution: xxxx
Problem 4 (date identified: xx/xx/xx): Kapex motor failure. Solution: xxxx

This way someone looking to buy a Kapex has one place they can go to see what issues the Kapex has had or currently has and can now make in informed decision if it is a deal breaker. It will also show that Festool is taking the issues seriously and finding solutions/fixes.

Rob
 
RobWoodCutter said:
My suggest would be a locked sub-group under Festool Problems where someone posts a problem about a tool and Festool posts the ultimate solution. There is no good reason why someone who is having a problem with a tool must wade through 20 posts that each contain 50 replies just to find the ultimate answer. The group would have one post that would hold all the issues regarding the Kapex, one post regarding the routers, one post regarding the sanders, etc
Example:
Kapex:

Problem 1 (date identified: xx/xx/xx): Kapex fence not aligned. Solution: xxxxx
Problem 2 (date identified: xx/xx/xx): Kapex miter slide grinding. Solution: xxxxx
Problem 3 (date identified: xx/xx/xx): Kapex motor housing leaking. Solution: xxxx
Problem 4 (date identified: xx/xx/xx): Kapex motor failure. Solution: xxxx

This way someone looking to buy a Kapex has one place they can go to see what issues the Kapex has had or currently has and can now make in informed decision if it is a deal breaker. It will also show that Festool is taking the issues seriously and finding solutions/fixes.
If it was me this information would be on the website on the respective product pages, as a comprehensice 'help/howto' section (which ends in 'call 555-xyz between a-b or mail x@y if you still need help').
 
Oh , I think I it's more then a dozen different guys.  And that's just the ones on this board.

Even if it is a very low number - the real issue most people have is that the marketplace's most expensive saw should have pretty much zero failures and no repeat ones. 

Let's be realistic though and assume some just fail. FT should be repairing those gratis even after year three assuming the were abused ( we all know an abused tool when we see it) . Not charging $500 plus dollars for a new motor with a high chance of a repeat failure.

Are other boards or the jobsite water cooler talk full of stories about Makita, Dewalt or Milwaukee miter saws smoking their motors after five years ?

NOPE

You think that's because they don't have a MOG or DOG or those buyers just live with a saw who's motor craps out in 3-5 years becaus it cost only $800 ?

NOPE

Those saws simply have better motors.  Which begs the question: is the incrementally better dust collection and the snob appeal worth double the price ? 

 
Being that this forum is maintained/owned/run by Festool, I doubt they'd create a specific section dedicated to just one tools failures as that would probably make the problem look larger than theyd want it to. They already have a separate forum for problems with their tools (LINK) and all such Kapex issue threads really should be there and only there. That would allow one to "skip over" any threads on any issues with any tool.
 
It's human nature to denounce someone else's experiences when yours differ... but come on seriously it's been years that festool has been "looking into it". How some of you still have faith that festool will fix the problem is beyond me.

If I were to bet, any research being done into the matter is being applied to a next gen saw that doesn't have the same motor durability issues. That still leaves me with a saw that's exploded once and could do so again at any time...
 
IIRC, bigger dogs don't live as long and Jeeps don't have great repair records.  I like big dogs and drive a jeep.  My dogs live longer than they say and my jeeps haven't given me issues.  Post what you want, I'll choose if I want to read it, and make my own decisions after if I do.  There are other topics I'm tired of and seem to ignore/skip them just fine the way things are so a change isn't necessary for me.

For the record - I have a Kapex and will buy a 60 too (yes I know it has no motor break) when it's AINA.

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