Lack of OF 1400 accessories

[Brad701]

The 1010 and 2200 both have accessory kits available and the 1400 does not. Is it because it is naturally more versatile than the 1010 and 2200, and doesnt need accessories? The 1010 seems to do everything I want but doesnt have 1/2" collet capability and I just don't need another large router.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

It may be because the OF1400 comes pretty complete. The table widener has always been available separately, along with the copy rings. I suppose it's to big/heavy for the angle arm attachment. The acrylic template fits all of them. It comes with several dust extraction fittings and the edge guide.  The snap-in copy rings aren't really adjustable, so the centering cone is unnecessary....what else could be added?
The only thing missing would be the Systainer itself.... oh, the rail adaptor.

I suppose it would be nice to put it all together, but maybe not feasible for them?

 

[Coen]

Most of what now comes in the 1010 accessories systainer used to just fit in the Systainer of the OF 1010 itself and it was 20mm lower too.

In my OF 1010 Systainer I have the OF 1010, the parallel guide, the rail adapter, fine adjust for the rail adapter, copy rings, swiveling dust deflector, side dust extractor hood and it fits just fine. Circle jig is probably in there too but might be in the router bit Systainer. Cone is also in that latter.

The separate M187 systainer for a part of that is just bloat.

 

[Brad701]

It may be because the OF1400 comes pretty complete. The table widener has always been available separately, along with the copy rings. I suppose it's to big/heavy for the angle arm attachment. The acrylic template fits all of them. It comes with several dust extraction fittings and the edge guide.  The snap-in copy rings aren't really adjustable, so the centering cone is unnecessary....what else could be added?
The only thing missing would be the Systainer itself.... oh, the rail adaptor.

I suppose it would be nice to put it all together, but maybe not feasible for them?

I think you just answered the question that I really meant to ask which is "are the common attachments engineered around the 1400 platform?"
Thanks

 

[doozer_diy]

Anyone know what timeline the 1400 is on for a refresh? I'm in no rush and interested to get it with some of the improvements seen in the newer 1010. Namely the LED lighting, improved dust extraction port, and improved guide bushing centering / screw in. I'm wondering if next release of the 1400 won't come like the new Domino -- one battery and one hardwired. I don't have plans to move over to the Festool battery platform (very happy with my existing battery platform/tools). Although I would consider any Festool "hybrid" tools that still allow for dedicated mains shop use -- like the hybrid sanders do. Seems with the new Domino though, Festool are not going that way. Would have liked to have seen the new Domino with an Ergo battery and functionality for ACA adaptor. Without that now, I will just buy the plug-in. Back to the 1400: Anyone know if there's a refresh / update planned?

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Anyone know what timeline the 1400 is on for a refresh? I'm in no rush and interested to get it with some of the improvements seen in the newer 1010. Namely the LED lighting, improved dust extraction port, and improved guide bushing centering / screw in. I'm wondering if next release of the 1400 won't come like the new Domino -- one battery and one hardwired. I don't have plans to move over to the Festool battery platform (very happy with my existing battery platform/tools). Although I would consider any Festool "hybrid" tools that still allow for dedicated mains shop use -- like the hybrid sanders do. Seems with the new Domino though, Festool are not going that way. Would have liked to have seen the new with an Ergo battery and functionality for ACA adaptor. Without that now, I will just by the plug-in. Back to the 1400. Anyone know if there's a refresh / update planned?

I might be an outsider on this, but I like the snap-in aspect of the base. It may have something to do with the fact that I have both OF1400 and OF1010 though. While the OF1400 could be giving up some accuracy, because of the mounting for copy rings, it certainly makes up for it with the ease of mounting the chip deflector. Someone who only owns one or the other, would have to chose the one that best fits their needs.
I have used copy rings with the OF1400, but no necessarily in a situation where ultimate precision matters. If you are just following a pattern, to make access holes or grommet holes, itis fine. It is when something needs to fit back into the space, better accuracy matters. (Inlays, joinery, etc)
However, there are times when I should install the chip deflector in the OF1010......and I just don't. Those tiny screws are a fiddley mess and the fact that some of them are slotted heads? yeah, no.
I'm fine with the differences, and use the appropriate machine. There again, as a cabinet shop pro, time was the motivating factor, which is also why I don't care that Systainers waste space. The ability to just pull out a drawer with whatever tool I need (and have all of its accessories right there too) was definitely worth the space demands.
I don't necessarily have the luxury of pace now, at home, but I'm so used to it, I'll get by.

 

[Dr. P. Venkman]

Wouldn’t at all surprise me if the OF 1400 updates are in the same vein as the 1010 updates.

I'm wondering if next release of the 1400 won't come like the new Domino -- one battery and one hardwired.

I’ll be interested to see how committed they are to putting a battery on every tool. (For the record, I like the cordless domino, sanders, and MFK’s, and I don’t really agree with those who say there’s no point in going cordless if you need a dust hose anyway).

What they do with the routers above the MFK level will, I think, tell us a lot about where their heads are re: cordless everything.

The Domino and the random orbit sanders run in the 400W range when corded. The MFK is 700W. They’ve now converted all of those to single-battery 18V.

The TS 55 and the CT MIDI dust extractor are in the 1200W range, and they converted those to dual-battery cordless running optimally at 36V. The CT Sys was 1000W and also has two batteries. I expect the cordless table saw and the cordless Kapex 60 are in the same range as those and also run on two batteries.

The OF 1400 hits (surprise!) 1400W, and the OF 1010 is at 1000W.

I really wonder if they can manage those in cordless without requiring two batteries. They might need to come out with a less powerful OF to get it to run on one battery.

 

[luvmytoolz]

@Dr. P. Venkman I use mainly corded for the bigger tools, but I would be absolutely rapt if Festool released a cordless router in-between the OF1010 and the OF1400, but for me a 1/2" collet is a must.

I think it's unlikely though unless they go to a 36V battery, but even if they kept the power rating a bit lower to support a smaller cutter size to cater for the battery usage, I'd still be very happy, so long as it took 1/2" cutters.

I could buy the Hikoki or one of the other 1/2" cordless routers, but I really don't want to go to yet another battery platform.

 

[Dr. P. Venkman]

Agree. I think to run on one 18V battery, they’d have to come out with something like an OF 800. Maybe they could manage to get close to the power of the 1010, but even that is more powerful than any motor they’ve switched to a single battery so far (I think the 700W MFK's and the 850W planer are the largest so far).

I think it’ll be interesting to see if they:

1. Come out with a single 36V battery capable of running all the way up to the 1500W tools, or
2. Start coming out with “lite” versions of some tools to get them on the battery platform while accepting that you can’t have both small and powerful without a cord (and leave the 1400 and 2200 alone).

I really do think those routers are the litmus test for where they’re headed.

The domino and the MFK's are easy, because they don't require more than the 18V; the table and track saws are easy-ish because the size of the tool allows for two batteries without it being a pain. The powerful routers are hard.

My guess would be that if they wanted a single 36V battery, they wouldn't have put out the track saw, table saw, and dust extractors with the dual 18V form factor, but I'll be really interested to see what comes next.

 

[luvmytoolz]

Agree. I think to run on one 18V battery, they’d have to come out with something like an OF 800.

The first good router I bought more years ago than I can remember was the Festo OF900 which has a 1/4" collet.

The domino and the MFK's are easy, because they don't require more than the 18V; the table and track saws are easy-ish because the size of the tool allows for two batteries without it being a pain. The powerful routers are hard.

My guess would be that if they wanted a single 36V battery, they wouldn't have put out the track saw, table saw, and dust extractors with the dual 18V form factor, but I'll be really interested to see what comes next.

What would be a really good trade-off with going to 36V batteries to support the 1/2" routers needs, is if the batteries were 2 x 18v cell packs in series and the shell was designed in a way to be backward compatible with the existing 18V line. Sure you'd need a new 36V charger, but just as the existing chargers support 12V and 18V batteries, there's no technical reason they couldn't easily make the charger to support 18V/36V.

 

[Coen]

The first good router I bought more years ago than I can remember was the Festo OF900 which has a 1/4" collet.

Afaik OF 900 has same collets as OF 1010, so maybe you got it with a 1/4" collet, but my guess would be it had 8mm in Europe.

What would be a really good trade-off with going to 36V batteries to support the 1/2" routers needs, is if the batteries were 2 x 18v cell packs in series and the shell was designed in a way to be backward compatible with the existing 18V line. Sure you'd need a new 36V charger, but just as the existing chargers support 12V and 18V batteries, there's no technical reason they couldn't easily make the charger to support 18V/36V.

My guess is on that not going to happen.
Bosch even completely dumped their 36V platform. Just like 14.4V got disappeared from like every brand.

and improved guide bushing centering / screw in

The whole point of the OF-1400 was the speed in which you can switch those out. That is definitely not going back to screw-in.

he hybrid sanders do. Seems with the new Domino though, Festool are not going that way. Would have liked to have seen the new Domino with an Ergo battery and functionality for ACA adaptor

For a predictable low load (like the sanders, lights) it's possible to make a "small" AC-DC adapter. For the currents that routers take, especially the maximum... there is no such thing as a small and light power supply. You would end up with something multiple times the size and weight of a battery. And if you put it external... you end up with a very, very fat cord.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Wouldn’t at all surprise me if the OF 1400 updates are in the same vein as the 1010 updates.



I don’t really agree with those who say there’s no point in going cordless if you need a dust hose anyway).

The OF1010 updates were to effectively move it to the OF1400's architecture. What would they do to the OF1400? Cordless seems to be a pipe-dream.....and I sure hope they don't mess with the clip-in attachment feature. No updates needed IMO.

Care to elaborate? If you are already tethered to the CT, via the hose, why would the cord matter? If you are just going to for-go the hose too, sure, but that's hardly the same thing.

 

[Dr. P. Venkman]

Care to elaborate? If you are already tethered to the CT, via the hose, why would the cord matter? If you are just going to for-go the hose too, sure, but that's hardly the same thing.

I find the hose-only easier to deal with than the hose and the power cord. Getting rid of the power cord is a very welcome change to me.

It’s less of a benefit on the heavier track saw and more of a benefit on the lighter, more maneuverable sanders. I have not used the cordless Domino or MFK, but I expect them to be somewhere in between (but closer to the sanders).

In certain cases, I find it a huge benefit with the sanders, assuming you can get used to the balance with the battery. If I’m sanding around a room, I’ll connect two hoses end to end. I’ve then got twice the range to move around - I can put the CT in the corner and move around all I want with nothing dragging around but the hose.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

I find the hose-only easier to deal with than the hose and the power cord. Getting rid of the power cord is a very welcome change to me.

It’s less of a benefit on the heavier track saw and more of a benefit on the lighter, more maneuverable sanders. I have not used the cordless Domino or MFK, but I expect them to be somewhere in between (but closer to the sanders).

In certain cases, I find it a huge benefit with the sanders, assuming you can get used to the balance with the battery. If I’m sanding around a room, I’ll connect two hoses end to end. I’ve then got twice the range to move around - I can put the CT in the corner and move around all I want with nothing dragging around but the hose.

I guess that's fair, in those circumstances. For me it's both, most of the time. As I have said before, I will occasionally run the Carvex without the hose.