Left Blade Track Saw?

Lincoln said:
Oh, yeah, this is the youtuber that tells you you're doing everything wrong and he knows how to do it properly...then levels a ladder frame plinth with a 300mm level.

We could have a lively - and very long - thread on YouTubers showing incorrect or at least non-optimal procedures. But, popularity over knowledge in video tutorials has a long history, going all the way back to Norm Abram versus someone like Frank Klausz in the late 1980s.
 
I'm waiting for you to discover the Dashboard PWS peeps.  Those barbarian heathens always rip left, no matter what.  They even sometimes cross-cut left full sheets... can you imagine the gall!?
 
woodferret said:
I'm waiting for you to discover the Dashboard PWS peeps.  Those barbarian heathens always rip left, no matter what.  They even sometimes cross-cut left full sheets... can you imagine the gall!?

Yeah, I've seen the videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB87vPBHIdg and ). My view is that they're just following how the saws are setup. I didn't post earlier since they feature Metabos, not Festools, lol.

That said, the carbon fiber "Rip Gauge" is pretty over the top:
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Of course, they charge as much for a work surface as many companies charge for cabinet saws! I guess space savings and not running delicate plywood faces over a table saw surface are worth a lot, unless I'm missing something....
 

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I'm left-handed and designed all this to suit myself. It's never made sense to me to operate from the left side where I cannot see what the blade is doing. With that, no customer has ever remarked that they've found this to be an issue with using the system.

Sure, for bevels it makes sense to hold the saw down with the left hand. Dash-Board also enables stops on the right of the blade (ref. the Rip Gauge), so the finished workpiece is there and using the right hand to steady it is natural.

About the idea of trimming things oversize with a track saw and then "cleaning them up on the table saw," that's just an extra step/use of time that the Dash-Board concept removes. The rail remains in one of 2 places for all cutting; one just moves the saw on the guide rail and repositions the material for successive cuts. This negates the need for a lot of space for infeed and outfeed, plus the footprint of a table saw.

To be clear, Dash-Board can't handle everything a table saw does, and I'd never claim as much, but most cutting operations are easy and easily understood, without a bunch of fiddling.
 
Here's Peter Millard struggling with yet another Lefty Track Saw:
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It's like the only reason is to have the arbor not not be "righty tighty"
 
Here's Peter Millard struggling with yet another Lefty Track Saw:
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It's like the only reason is to have the arbor not not be "righty tighty"
Or, Peter Millard being lazy, as usual, to grab the saw by the left hand ... the same way one grabs it by the right hand when one needs to stand on the "product" side, instead of the "off-cut"side like here.

Besides the jokes, that this is him "struggling" to do the stupid - cut a board "over air", instead of "over MFT" .. mainly since he is a bit /well, OCD level "bit"/ particular about his sacrificial MFT surfaces ...


All that said, all Festool saws I am aware are ambidextrous, allowing to use both hands as applicable. Nor are they particularly difficult to handle - ya know, the track does the guiding. With plain circular saws, there is a discussion to be had. Track saws? Nope.


/goes to the corner, so the rant game can continue

;)
 
I've been thinking about something for some time now.........why are all track saws right-hand blade? Why not make a left-blade design so us "rightys" can have our dominate hand on the trigger grip and have a clear view of the blade? Thoughts?
Im mostly left handed but prefer left blade circular saws because I use my right hand then and wish to view blade to the right of line...i.e. on the waste side. The only exception is a tracksaw which makes no difference, and to which Ive grown accustomed
 
Or, Peter Millard being lazy, as usual, to grab the saw by the left hand ... the same way one grabs it by the right hand when one needs to stand on the "product" side, instead of the "off-cut"side like here.
I don't see laziness as much as I see right-hand dominance preference. With one-sided access to his MFT style table, he has to cut anything wide in this orientation. The only question is whether he holds the saw with his left or his right hand. So, not laziness.

I still don't get why track saws are made this way when the vast majority of people are right-handed. That the arbor threading would be backwards is the only reason I can think of. The only tracksaw I know of righties is the Kreg, and meh there.

That even Sedge, himself a righty, uses his left hand for the tracksaw but right hand for domino and chopsaw, shows the truth of what I'm saying.
 
I don't see this as much as a left/right handedness problem as a body positioning problem.

The saw appears to be designed for being operated with the user's body placed on the non-offcut side of the blade. However, some use cases - especially edge trimming of large boards - call for operating the saw from the offcut side. Then the handling becomes awkward because it becomes necessary to reach over the blade.

If Festool made a mirrored version of the saw, the edge trimming problem would still exist:
  • The saw would have to be turned 180° on the track (we can't move the track, since it will need to be supported on the board)
  • Sawing would then have to start from the opposite end of the board
  • Result: It would still be necessary to reach over the blade (or as I do - sit on top of the board to avoid having to reach over the blade)
So instead of asking for a saw designed for left handers / right handers, perhaps one should ask for a saw designed for being used with our bodies on the offcut side of the blade.
 
•mThe saw would have to be turned 180° on the track (we can't move the track, since it will need to be supported on the board)
Yes.
• Sawing would then have to start from the opposite end of the board
Yes.
• Result: It would still be necessary to reach over the blade (or as I do - sit on top of the board to avoid having to reach over the blade)
No. Result is that your right hand is now closest to the saw so it's the natural one to use. See Pix of Millard above and imagine coming from the other direction on the track. His right hand no longer crosses his body.
 
No. Result is that your right hand is now closest to the saw so it's the natural one to use. See Pix of Millard above and imagine coming from the other direction on the track. His right hand no longer crosses his body.
If you stand on the other side of cut than where the rail is... you reach "over" the blade. Regardless of going one way or from the other side with a left handed saw.
 
If you stand on the other side of cut than where the rail is... you reach "over" the blade. Regardless of going one way or from the other side with a left handed saw.
Two points:
1) Then it's completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread, which if left-handed vs right-handed track saw design.

2) If you look at people using tracksaws, there's nothing awkward or dangerous about using a tracksaw from the off-cut side of the blade. I'd call "reaching over the blade" a reach of hyperbole. There's a full blade guard above the work, and the grip is behind the blade. Bent does not look awkward in the photo above, and I could include photos of Sedge and numerous other people using their left hand that also do not look awkward nor dangerous. Millard's crossing of his arms, however, does look very awkward and maybe a tad dangerous.
OTOH, putting the workpiece on a foam board on the floor and then sitting on top of the board to make the cut (I assume even @Allano isn't sitting on a board on a workbench) is something people are sometimes "forced" to do when both keeper and off-cut pieces are too wide to easily reach-over (and again lefty vs righty doesn't come into play here). The kind of scooting one has to do while cutting is awkward and maybe even a bit dangerous.
If one of the two pieces on a rip (eg long cut) isn't too wide, then most opt for cutting it on a workbench, where they can stand next to the piece. In that case, the rail is mounted to the keeper piece, or if that's too narrow to support the rail, to the wider of the two pieces. And then we have the ripping situation I'm talking about and showing here (see Bent, above).

For cross-cuts, the same lefty-right dichotomy holds true. With the rail mounted on the (typically wider) keeper piece of these lefty tracksaws, you're reaching over more to complete the cut than if you're a lefty and stand on the narrower off-cut side. See the Dashboard video I linked above.
 
Here's Keith Johnson doing a cross-cut right-handed and crossing over to catch the offcut:
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Good woodworkers struggling to deal.
 
I will always use my right (dominant) hand for cutting unless that arm proves to be too short for the cut. Ripping a sheet of plywood does involve my left hand but I am left wanting a shorter sheet.

Peter
 
I have a blade left and blade right circular saws by Porter-Cable. Old ones. I like the left bladed one as a right hander. The defunct EZ-Smart system could be configured for blade left circular saws. The inventor came up with some cool ideas for track saws the big boys grabbed up and eventually the market for it died I reckon as they trounced him with slicker products and marketing.
 
I just see it as a preference that muscle memory can't get past. So many guys have used ordinary circular saws for years, long before a track saw, in most cases. You need to see the cut line for those free-handed cuts. With a track saw, that's totally a non-issue, but the mind doesn't want to get past it.
If you watch Peter Millard, while using the TS55 on his cross-cut station (MFT with a rail hinge) he does all of those cuts right-handed. The MFT supports the off-cut, so catching it doesn't matter. Also, some of this behavior may have somthing to do with camera angles. YouTubers often do things that are not ideal, for the sake of the visual.
 
If you watch Peter Millard, while using the TS55 on his cross-cut station (MFT with a rail hinge) he does all of those cuts right-handed.
Yes, and all of his rips left-handed.

If his MFT were deeper and/or he was cross-cutting wider boards who knows which hand he'd use?

This relative newbie guy cuts out of his video where he has to stop to move his body around the parallel guides:
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Problem here is that the offcut is larger than the keeper piece so there's no good way to cut this with parallel guides and a track saw. Unless you've got a set of short parallel guides as well I guess.
 
Sedge talking about usually the saw left handed, but in this tapered bevel rip case he goes right handed so his left hand can keep the saw flat on the track:
 
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