Lie-Nielsen Butt Mortise Plane

Brice Burrell

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Okay, I ordered my first Lie-Nielsen, a butt mortise plane.  For those of you that have never seen one before or you'd like to see Nielsen's version, here you go.

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A butt mortise plane is used for mortises for hinges, strikes plates and other (relatively) small hardware that requires a fairly shallow mortise.  The plane has a long, thin body (9 5/8" x 1 1/2") to span the mortise and narrow iron (3/4"). 

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The idea is to mark out your location for the hardware with a marking knife then with a chisel create shoulders in the ends of the mortise to act as stop for the iron.  Then you can use the plane to cut out the mortise, leaving a perfectly flat bottom.  Once you've done it a few times the process is pretty quick. 

There are advantages to this plane over a router for small jobs and where it's not possible to use a router template.  But with a price tag of over $100 USD it's not cheap. 

This wasn't an easy decision for me.  However, a job has come along that I can justify the expense.  We are working on an older house, early 1930's, where almost none of the doors open and close correctly any more.  This house is big, there are fifty regular interior doors, two sets of french interior doors, one very large exterior door and ten sets of exterior french doors.  Over seventy doors that need work (and that doesn't include any of the doors in what was the servants wing of the house).  Most need to cut down to fit into sagging openings and about half are getting new lock sets.  The mortise plane is ideal for fitting the strike plates for the new lock sets since it can be difficult to get a jig for a router on an existing jamb. I think the mortise is will earn its keep on this job. 

I can't really give any meaningful comments on the overall quality of this plane since I'm little more than a bumbling fool when it comes to hand tools, but I have faith in the Lie-Nielsen brand given its standing in the hand tool market. 

 
Brice,

Congrats on what sounds to be an interesting job.  I look forward to your posts, whereas I am not a hand plane guy.  Maybe this old dog still can learn.
 
That's a very nice looking plane Brice, great pictures and looks like a quality tool. I haven't come across Lie-Nielson before and would like to find out more about them online and also if they are available in the UK. Congratulations on the job, sounds like a good one.

Jonathan
 
Peter Halle said:
Brice,

Congrats on what sounds to be an interesting job.  I look forward to your posts, whereas I am not a hand plane guy.  Maybe this old dog still can learn.

You and me both, I'm learning, one stupid mistake at a time... I'll see if I can get some pictures of work in progress but it's doubtful these are pretty private people (although supper nice and classy to boot).  We're about half way through the job, they have family in now so we've got a few days away from this one.  My TS55 and Tenryu blade are getting a real workout since most of the doors are 1 3/4".

Jonathanerrrm said:
That's a very nice looking plane Brice, great pictures and looks like a quality tool. I haven't come across Lie-Nielson before and would like to find out more about them online and also if they are available in the UK. Congratulations on the job, sounds like a good one.

Jonathan

Jonathan, here's a link to the Lie-Nielsen site.  While I can't say for certain, I'd be surprised if you couldn't get them in the UK.

Edit: Here's a link for a UK source from Axminster.
 
Brice

Be warned! You have now started down another slippery road of obsession!

I have the usual Record/Stanley handplanes which I take on site & Lie Nielsen planes which I keep in the workshop for bench work.

However more and more as you realise the superior quality of LN hand tools you will end up taking them on site with you.

If you get a chance visit on of the LN roadshows and try one of their block planes, bet you end up with one!!

Guy
 
I have owned my  Lie-Nielsen Rabbet Block Plane for 1 year now. I love it!  

It has a thicker blade and keeps its edge far longer than the stanley block planes.

It feels nicer and I can get it so much sharper! its so smooth planing wood. I was going to buy the standard Lie-Nielsen block plane but thought a Rabbet Block Plane would do the same and more and it has come in handy having no sides has helped me out alot like getting tight up to the shoulders on a tenon.

If I was to buy any more planes or other hand tools it will be a Lie-Nielsen. The Varitas are very good aswell I own the Varita Sharping guide.

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Guy Ashley said:
Brice

Be warned! You have now started down another slippery road of obsession!...

Guy

Guy, there's no chance of that happening (I know, famous last words).  I wasn't joking about the bumbling fool with hand tools comment (I'm a power tool guy all the way).  I don't have the patience to learn how to use and maintain hand tools correctly.  It took three years for me to decide to buy this plane because I was concerned I wouldn't get enough use out of it.  I wouldn't have bough it now but on this big job there are a couple of things this plane can do much easier and faster than my 1010 router and template.   
 
Brice

OK! [laughing] If you don't get on it with it I'll buy it off you!!

Maintaining hand tools is a skill you pick up when you start your apprenticeship (well, in 1976 it was [scared] [scared]) For the first couple of months apprentice's were given the other joiners chisels and plane blades to sharpen and if they were not up to standard they would literally throw them back at you!  [crying] [crying]

You learnt quickly! In those days it was called motivation and positive learning, I think it is now called "bullying in the workplace"!!! ::) ::)

All the LN planes I have bought have been very sharp straight out of the box and hold their edge well so you shouldn't have any maintenance issues to start with.

It will interesting to see how you get on with it and whether you think it saved you time over the router option.

Guy
 
Guy Ashley said:
Brice

OK! [laughing] If you don't get on it with it I'll buy it off you!!

Maintaining hand tools is a skill you pick up when you start your apprenticeship (well, in 1976 it was [scared] [scared]) For the first couple of months apprentice's were given the other joiners chisels and plane blades to sharpen and if they were not up to standard they would literally throw them back at you!  [crying] [crying]

You learnt quickly! In those days it was called motivation and positive learning, I think it is now called "bullying in the workplace"!!! ::) ::)

Guy,

What method/stones were you taught? What do you use today?
 
Les

I will PM you to save this thread going off topic and possibly sending a lot of Fog members into spates of narcolepsy! [big grin]

Guy
 
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Guy, there's no chance of that happening (I know, famous last words).    
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Bryce,  The butt mortise plane was my first plane purchase from Lie-Neilsen.  I use it to clean up shallow mortises even if I rout them.  Next I learned how to sharpen it with water stones and the very simple and fast Lie-Neilsen system.  Now I only use the Tormek on my lather tools.  Chesels and plane irons stay flat ground with stones.

The rest is history...I use my 62 LA Jack on every project....really sweet.  Love the Lie-Neilsen chisels.  Can't live without my rabbit plane and block planes.  Soon to order the inlay set, lock set, more chisels, 4 1/2 smoother and a joiner.... I love everything I have purchased and learned from my purchases at Lie-Neilsen.

Another slippery slope?  Yeah

Fun?  Yeah
 
Well, I spent some time working with the plane today to mortise in strikes for new locksets.  Most of the old jambs needed a Dutchman since the new strike won't fit in the old mortise, so that was step one.  I'd use the mortise plane to quickly make the mortise for the Dutchman and wedge a piece of 2x4 and a shim in the jamb to glue the repair in place and move on to the next.  After the glue dried I'd tune up the Dutchman with a block plane (most didn't need much work and everything is paint grade so the repairs didn't need to be absolutely perfect) then I'd mortise for the new strike.  Overall it worked very well and faster than I expected.  There's no way I could have jigged these jambs to use a router without a lot of hassle.  The plane earned its keep today.
 
Brice,

Congrats and good luck with your new "toy" although it sounds like won't need it.

I have a few of their chisels and the adjustable mouth block plane.  As everyone pretty much knows, they make great products.  I have had a very difficult time limiting my purchases.

I admire your will power for having not succumbed until now.  [smile]

Now you are on their list.  You will be getting flyers every three months or so.  Good luck with that.

Neill
 
Neill said:
...I admire your will power for having not succumbed until now.   [smile]

Now you are on their list.  You will be getting flyers every three months or so.  Good luck with that.

Neill

Neill, I suspect my strong aversion to human powered tools like planes will prevent me from spending another dime with Lie-Nielsen.  Realistically, I can't make any money using hands tools and I have no desire to work towards the Zen experience some guys believe using hand tools give them.  I'm in it for the money and hand tools don't deliver for me.   
 
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