LR 32 success!

Holmz said:
Is the 32-mm system easy enough, or should I just get the DD40 ?

[member=40772]Holmz[/member]

Personally I think you should go DD40 and report back.

... maybe change your forum name to "Mr Mafell" while you're at it [big grin] [wink]

I had thought you'd gone with the DD earlier. Was the discussion we had on the Lamello part of the thinking process on it?

To me the DD40 is part of a different journey ... you can take a few tools like for like and compare them, but investing in a DD40 to me means going down a different path for joining as well (philosophically). That's why (all kidding aside) I'm saying go DD40, you're already heavily invested in Mafell, unlike the majority here with a Festool investment bias.

On 32mm v's 40mm. I'm a fan of 32mm for what it fits and I like that little bit of finer choice in positioning.

I'm still personally against investing in Mafell with no local supply or support .. Do you have Mafell or Euro connections that give you some confidence? My only interaction with Mafell left me with a very bad taste in my mouth! The DD and the jigsaw are easy enough to ship if you need to (though it'd be a long down time), but bigger things like the Erika [eek]
 
Holmz said:
Is the 32-mm system easy enough, or should I just get the DD40 ?

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] The Festool LR-32 solution is very expensive for how little it does. $495 is what the kit costs here, and that excludes the new rail you have to buy (and the router). Not sure what the prices are like in AUS, but I'm guessing it's even more since you guys always complain about significant markup there.

DD40 is a bigger investment, but does both joinery and shelf hole drilling.

I haven't invested in either as I'm not a cabinetmaker, but if you aren't already invested in a Domino, then the DD40 will probably serve more needs, for less money.
 
Though most don't use it. The LR 32 can be used to drill the holes for the use of confirmation screws. The stops have a 9.5 set up for drilling those holes.

For example look at these randomly selected sites. I just googled

http://www.cabparts.com

http://www.cabinetparts.com/p/revashelf-tie-and-pants-racks-RVCBSR14CR

Look at the installation guide for rev a shelf, all 32mm

Anytime you need to set up evenly spaced holes even if it's making a MFT top the LR32 is the go to tool. As I've said the euro system is based on 32 mm OC.

But in America and Oz you are free to use whatever you want.
 
Peter Halle said:
Holmz said:
Is the 32-mm system easy enough, or should I just get the DD40 ?

Odd that you ask this.  At least twice in the last week you have suggested that others get the DD40 system versus the LR-32 system.  Does this mean that you haven't used either?

Peter

I have a router and the 32-mm system (but as the Bosch version). The Bosch and the Festool seem like the do the same thing, but you end up with a better router with the FT.

I mention it because people that have the workload or coinage to invest in Festool would be the same sort that would invest in the DD40 or the Lamello. Pretty much everyone except for those investing solely in Festool for ease of decision making.

So it is still a totally sincere question...
Do people find it easy using the 32-mm system, or have some moved to the DD40, or even a template-rail and a drill?
I am not proficient enough with the 32-mm to say it is as easy and fast as I would like it, and absolutely no hands on with the DD40.

I will be doing some 32-mm for a template before the holidays to drill a book case in-situ, and then in Jan-Mar for some sheet goods or different cabinet or two.

Kev said:
Holmz said:
Is the 32-mm system easy enough, or should I just get the DD40 ?

[member=40772]Holmz[/member]

Personally I think you should go DD40 and report back.

... maybe change your forum name to "Mr Mafell" while you're at it [big grin] [wink]

I had thought you'd gone with the DD earlier. Was the discussion we had on the Lamello part of the thinking process on it?

To me the DD40 is part of a different journey ... you can take a few tools like for like and compare them, but investing in a DD40 to me means going down a different path for joining as well (philosophically). That's why (all kidding aside) I'm saying go DD40, you're already heavily invested in Mafell, unlike the majority here with a Festool investment bias.

On 32mm v's 40mm. I'm a fan of 32mm for what it fits and I like that little bit of finer choice in positioning.

I'm still personally against investing in Mafell with no local supply or support .. Do you have Mafell or Euro connections that give you some confidence? My only interaction with Mafell left me with a very bad taste in my mouth! The DD and the jigsaw are easy enough to ship if you need to (though it'd be a long down time), but bigger things like the Erika [eek]

Well [member=13058]Kev[/member] I am not changing my name.
I like the XL700 and the DX93, so it is totally like XMAS in garage with green and red.
I play no favourites, but I try to select them carefully.

It was the Lamello I ordered. I could not abide the thought about using Dominos as that meant I would need to glue up the project which means I cannot ship it flat if I choose to later.

The decision is difficult when the tools are >$. When they are under the limit that attracts GST, then you save enough exVAT that it totally covers the 50-Euro shipping. There are a few places that ship out. On the more recent front, the Tag-n-test fellow said that he certifies either new cords or new plugs on Euro tools, so that workplace drama is averted. I will take the tools around to him even though I do not require it.

What is stopping me from going the DD40 is the XL700. As the XL700 already does joinery.
I have 2 sets of 500/700 Systainers and the Seneca gear.
I have 2 gates to build and the first should be done this weekend... Maybe a few doors later...
It is easy and pretty quick, but I am not sure it is better than a dowel - especially when the parts are too narrow for 2 dowels... Then a small domino helps to keep the part aligned with 1-less degree-of-freedom.

I will probably keep suffering through the router for doing the 32-mm. It is not like it will be saving me time each day, just a few hours every few months. But I am now looking a more stuff to do with sheets, so I am thinking that the DD40 may be worthwhile.
I'll see if I speed up with router in the near term.  [huh]

In any case I am looking forward to the Lamello, and have 3 projects for it at the moment. [big grin]

[member=38144]sae[/member] - That is what I was thinking...
 
sae said:
Holmz said:
Is the 32-mm system easy enough, or should I just get the DD40 ?

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] The Festool LR-32 solution is very expensive for how little it does. $495 is what the kit costs here, and that excludes the new rail you have to buy (and the router). Not sure what the prices are like in AUS, but I'm guessing it's even more since you guys always complain about significant markup there.

DD40 is a bigger investment, but does both joinery and shelf hole drilling.

I haven't invested in either as I'm not a cabinetmaker, but if you aren't already invested in a Domino, then the DD40 will probably serve more needs, for less money.

I've got to say that I get a little perplexed when people talk about a tool purely on a price basis. A high price on ANYTHING can bar people based on the price of entry - that's not just a tool thing!

Tools improve our ability to do something ... speed, quality, etc ... the cost of the tool is relative to it's benefit. When two or more tools do very similar things you can compare them (ease of use, quality, longevity, price, productivity, etc)

To some, ease of selection and peace of mind are significant factors too!

I'm sure there's people that would say that an LR32 system has paid for itself ten times over in less than a week, others that have simply mortgaged extra shelf space for it [big grin]

 
sae said:
Holmz said:
Is the 32-mm system easy enough, or should I just get the DD40 ?

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] The Festool LR-32 solution is very expensive for how little it does. $495 is what the kit costs here, and that excludes the new rail you have to buy (and the router). Not sure what the prices are like in AUS, but I'm guessing it's even more since you guys always complain about significant markup there.

DD40 is a bigger investment, but does both joinery and shelf hole drilling.

I haven't invested in either as I'm not a cabinetmaker, but if you aren't already invested in a Domino, then the DD40 will probably serve more needs, for less money.
[member=38144]sae[/member]  Oh it's an absolute bargain down here, $900 will secure an Lr32 kit and a rail. If I did a bit more cabinetmaking then it would be nice to own but as I don't it's a bit of a luxury item for me, especially as there's always other tools on my list that would get more use.
 
[member=42735]DB10[/member] .. I got stung $685 for the FS2424LR32 !! and you still need a FS3000 to cut sheets properly.

$650 AU inc GST for the LR32 though is surprisingly reasonable compared to $495 in greenies.

Don't get me wrong though, I'd like it all to be a lot cheaper [crying] [sad]

 
[member=13058]Kev[/member] - In the context of the 32-mm system, rail and Domino... Then the DD40 looks price attractive. Same way that one can compare an Erika with the router inset to a contractors saw, SCMS, and router table.

So assuming one is doing joining and 32-mm spaced holes... Then we put the biscuits, dominoes, dowels in a pot and along with drills routers etc and conjure up a solution.
There are at least 9 solutions [32-mm](drill/template vs router vs DD-40) x [joining](Domino vs Biscuits vs DD40) .
 
Holmz said:
[member=13058]Kev[/member] - In the context of the 32-mm system, rail and Domino... Then the DD40 looks price attractive. Same way that one can compare an Erika with the router inset to a contractors saw, SCMS, and router table.

So assuming one is doing joining and 32-mm spaced holes... Then we put the biscuits, dominoes, dowels in a pot and along with drills routers etc and conjure up a solution.
There are at least 9 solutions [32-mm](drill/template vs router vs DD-40) x [joining](Domino vs Biscuits vs DD40) .

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] I'm still surprised we haven't seen a gizmo that allows the Domino to track against an LR32 rail !! I don't know how many inventive ways it could be used, but I'm sure we could all think of several.

 
GarryMartin said:
Kev said:
I'm still surprised we haven't seen a gizmo that allows the Domino to track against an LR32 rail

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/domino-mounted-to-lr32-plate/

Interesting - I certainly wasn't imagining anything like that or the re-using of the actual LR32 system plate itself. I was thinking more of a dedicated plate with a pin, with the mortise bored along the splinter guard edge. Something from the Seneca Woodworking garage maybe [big grin]
 
JimH2 said:
The LR32 is well worth it's cost. I fuddled with several hole drilling rigs for years until I saw the LR32.

A supplemental guide exists https://www.festoolusa.com/media/pdf/32mm_System_and_the_Festool_Hole_Guide.PDF  on the Festool site. That is what I used as the manual once I found it.

I know that your using it is a lot easier if you dimension your cabinet sides so that it does not matter which is the top or bottom. Doing so eliminates the need to flip the rail and reposition it, which is prone for errors even though it sounds simple. I've burned myself after being interrupted while using it more than once. It got to the point that I would repeat each step on a scrap piece to make sure I did the flip and turn correctly.

I believe there is a way to avoid having to flip the template by dimensioning the height of the material to be a multiple of 32mm(I think), but I can't find a reference to it.

I agree that the manual sucks. After you figure out how to use the system the manual becomes understandable. The VS600 manual is a piece of work too, as is the device. There are different setups for each type of joint with a lot of board flipping involved. It is another tool that requires 100% concentration with no interuptions.

I posted this in April of this year and have since sold my LR32 and rails and purchased a DD40. It's expensive if you only use is for hole drilling, but if you need a joiner its price becomes more palatable. Of the accessories Festool makes the LR32 has to be the most complicated to use and therefore ripe for failure. Just looking at the supplementary manual tells you its way to complicated. The DD40 avoids this by allowing you choose your offset, clamp the template on and go. There is no quicker way to do shelf holes without a dedicated machine. You also can use the hole template for for spacing your dowels on panels that are going to be joined.

There are a few posts in this thread referring to the LR32 as the 32mm system, that lead one to believe the the DD40 is not a 32mm system, but it is.
 
RyWen said:
GarryMartin said:
Kev said:
I'm still surprised we haven't seen a gizmo that allows the Domino to track against an LR32 rail

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/domino-mounted-to-lr32-plate/

We let this one fall to the side while we were working on some other things... but the LR32 Domino attachment is a product we plan on  releasing sometime in 2016...

You'll have a few people ready to be crash test dummies for that one [big grin] [wink]
 
RyWen said:
We let this one fall to the side while we were working on some other things... but the LR32 Domino attachment is a product we plan on  releasing sometime in 2016...

I am electing to do ALL of our pantry and closet systems in our new house build in 2016. Would love to hear more about this!

Cheers. Bryan.
 
That comment was directed at Ryan and Ron... Whom with I have done business and beta testing. 

I also know how to use the search function, but thanks for the reminder, I might have forgotten it was there.

Good day sir.
 
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